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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:18 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat

Thanks for the scoop Jon.

Would have thought the 251/2 Mortar carrier or 251/7 engineer vehicle would have been easy for them, just the mortar and a few rounds or the side brackets and assault bridge (and a few bits and pieces for the inside) respectively.

I want a 251/17 (2cm flak) luftwaffe version (the one with the drop down sides) but as usual I am dreaming (just like the dream of a mainstream manufacturer producing an affordable Archer, Sexton, Comet, etc)

Wonder which gun shield they will use for the 251/10....probably the full shield from their 3.7mm kit. Be a nice gesture to have the lowered or half shields as options.

the photo of the 251/10 has the half shield, but its a photo of the real thing
Dragon has a 8cm mortar team on its way too, so they could combine the kits (if the 251/10 (oops) used the 8cm?)

Larry the late Sd Kfz 11 is a nice kit, it has a PE fret for the grill and the flatbed is like the type on the RSO (hope they bring a RSO out)

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 3:00 PM

Larry, I don't think the 251/10 would have had a mortar in it too. They were used by platoon leaders, I think, and that would make for a lot of different ammo and radio equipment in one vehicle. Even the 251/2 was fazed out in favour of the 250/7 because it was considered overkill. These are just guesses though Confused [%-)]

By the way, if Dragon bring out a 250/7 I am quitting modelling and taking up needlecraft. Just converted one.

Matt

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bbrowniii

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April 2003
From: 41 Degrees 52.4 minutes North; 72 Degrees 7.3 minutes West

Posted by bbrowniii on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 4:06 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by jratz

Yesterday while innocently walking an OHS (other hobby shop vs LHS), one of those AFV M-59 155's latched onto my arm & wouldn't let go, so I guess I have to do it.

DEAR GOD MAN! Were you seriously injured? I think you need to get on the hook to Tom Ridge! This is definately a matter for Homeland Defense.

"GET ME THE PENTAGON ON LINE 2, STAT!" Big Smile [:D]

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

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bbrowniii

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April 2003
From: 41 Degrees 52.4 minutes North; 72 Degrees 7.3 minutes West

Posted by bbrowniii on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 4:14 PM

Hey, how many posts do I need to get my next star?

I am SOOO excited to start this group build!

I gotta cut down on the caffeine. Look at this, I'm all over the map with this post... Tongue [:P]

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

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zokissima

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July 2003
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Posted by zokissima on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 4:24 PM

It's at 200 that you get your next one, then 500, then 1000, then I don't know.

I know what you mean, all these models will look SOOO cool. :)

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bbrowniii

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April 2003
From: 41 Degrees 52.4 minutes North; 72 Degrees 7.3 minutes West

Posted by bbrowniii on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 4:48 PM

200!!! Mother of PEARL! Its taken me like six months to get 46! I'll be 102 years old before I hit 200. Man! I gotta spend more time on this site!....

But I digress, towed guns. There, I'm back on topic Evil [}:)]

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

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Dwight Ta-ala

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July 2003
From: Philippines

Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:27 PM

Actually you will get another one when you get to 100 posts. Big Smile [:D]

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bbrowniii

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April 2003
From: 41 Degrees 52.4 minutes North; 72 Degrees 7.3 minutes West

Posted by bbrowniii on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:39 PM

100... Well, that's doable. At the pace I'm going tonight, I might do it before I turn in for the evening.

On the suggestion of an earlier post, to satisfy my hunger, as it were, I have begun work on the Flakverling 37. I'm pretty much throwing it together, and I'll neaten it up after. My next challenge is to try to post some pictures of it up here. That way: a) I learn how to post pictures, and b) y'all can 'comment' on my work Big Smile [:D]

By the way, I owe a word of thanks to all of you who provided references for me. The websites you all listed (back on page 16, I think) have been useful.

And finally, which one is the 251/10? That is NOT the Hanamog, right?

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

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zokissima

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July 2003
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Posted by zokissima on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 7:16 PM

Is it 100? I seem to remember getting my second one at 200. Maybe I was wrong. Ah well

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 8:30 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by bbrowniii

QUOTE: Originally posted by jratz

Yesterday while innocently walking an OHS (other hobby shop vs LHS), one of those AFV M-59 155's latched onto my arm & wouldn't let go, so I guess I have to do it.

DEAR GOD MAN! Were you seriously injured? I think you need to get on the hook to Tom Ridge! This is definately a matter for Homeland Defense.

"GET ME THE PENTAGON ON LINE 2, STAT!"

Nah, the wife didn't see it .... but I'll keep the thought as a fall-back another time Wink [;)]

....

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:13 PM

Boyd. 'Hanomag' is a generic term often applied to the 251 series. Hanomag of Hannover was in charge of the development of the SdKfz 11 3 ton chassis to make is suitable for fitting an amoured body to it. The actual body work was the responsibility of Bussing-Nag of Berlin.

Full production runs of the 251 series were manufactured in three stages-
Chassis by three other companies (including Skoda)
Body work by another 3 companes
final assembly by a further 3 companies. (9 different companies over all!)

In fact, Hanomag was not a producer of the vehicle as such but the name seems to have been attached somewhere along the way.

After the war, Chech companies, Skoda and Tatra continued to make the vehicles under the name OT-810.

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bbrowniii

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April 2003
From: 41 Degrees 52.4 minutes North; 72 Degrees 7.3 minutes West

Posted by bbrowniii on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 10:04 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat

Boyd. 'Hanomag' is a generic term often applied to the 251 series. Hanomag of Hannover was in charge of the development of the SdKfz 11 3 ton chassis to make is suitable for fitting an amoured body to it. The actual body work was the responsibility of Bussing-Nag of Berlin.

Well alright. Good to know. Learn something new everyday.

But I have to admit to being a little confused still. Doesn't Tamiya market a german halftrack kit as a "Hanomag". Is the kit of the 'base' version of the vehicle so the nickname, being generic, would be appropriate?

Not really a big deal, but I'm definately curious. (feel free to respond with something along the lines of, "Hey, slacker, get off your butt and do some RESEARCH for a change!!" Wink [;)]

)

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 10:15 PM

Boyd. Ever seen the Tamiya Kit of the 'Ford Mutt'? Now go ask a genuine US grunt what a Ford Mutt is. Chances are he will say the neighbour's dog in the back of his car, 'cause the jeep ain't commonly referred to by that name.

The Tamiya 251kit hails from the 70's. Read the 'English' translation in the instructions and the history of the vehicle. I think Tamiya got a Polish speaking Chinese national, that was raised in Uzbekistan to translate the Japanese to English. That's why it is referred to as a Hanomag.

As a kit it needs cosmetic work, as a miniture of the real thing it needs a lot of work. Save yourself the heartache and get the DML or AFV Club 251 Ausf C.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:14 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by phroosh

Larry, I don't think the 251/10 would have had a mortar in it too. They were used by platoon leaders, I think, and that would make for a lot of different ammo and radio equipment in one vehicle.

Hmmm? ... sorry, was this addressed to me? I don't recall discussing the 251/10.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:11 AM

Sorry Larry, half asleep. it was Jon who was chatting about the 251/10.

Matt

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:05 AM

QUOTE: As a kit it needs cosmetic work, as a miniture of the real thing it needs a lot of work.

I have the Tamiya kit!!! Oh well i think i'm up to the challenge.

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tigerman

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March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 4:55 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat
I think Tamiya got a Polish speaking Chinese national, that was raised in Uzbekistan to translate the Japanese to English. That's why it is referred to as a Hanomag.

LOL. For those of you newbies that care, you get a fifth star at 2000 posts.

Eric

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bbrowniii

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April 2003
From: 41 Degrees 52.4 minutes North; 72 Degrees 7.3 minutes West

Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 5:22 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat

The Tamiya 251kit hails from the 70's. Read the 'English' translation in the instructions and the history of the vehicle. I think Tamiya got a Polish speaking Chinese national, that was raised in Uzbekistan to translate the Japanese to English. That's why it is referred to as a Hanomag.

As a kit it needs cosmetic work, as a miniture of the real thing it needs a lot of work. Save yourself the heartache and get the DML or AFV Club 251 Ausf C.

Thanks for the advice Smile [:)]

I'll be sure to avoid that one...

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

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beav

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May 2003
From: Ft. Sill, OK

Posted by beav on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:15 PM

Hey, why don't you guys just like Start for instance? Maybe, with all the people signed up for this one, you could be the first group build displayed to top 100 pages?

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 11:11 PM

Beav, the Panther page is already on 99 and a few of us stragglers should be posting final pics soon........there would need to be a very large number of posts in a short time frame here to beat that to 100.

Claymore: I have the Tamiya 251 C too. Cut it down the middle, add 8 mm to the width, cover the open rear with a tarpaulin and place snow and mud up to the mudguards and Bob's your Aunty. Never waste anything!!!! Tongue [:P]

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maffen

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September 2003

Posted by maffen on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 11:30 PM

HEEELPPP going to need more russianpullers over here,all those germans Laugh [(-D]

am i the only one that goes to the redstar side???

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 11:42 PM

"HEEELPPP going to need more russianpullers over here"

movers may have been a better term Maffen. Just because the USSR had the largest number of artillery pieces than any other standing Army doesn't mean that you are going to get the lion's share of the group builder's too. I don't think you will be persuading any one to move to the red star soon. The recent kit offerings and the idea of having a mover with the gun has lured everyone to the more mainstream projects.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:13 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by maffen

HEEELPPP going to need more russianpullers over here,all those germans am i the only one that goes to the redstar side???

I thought seriously about doing one of those humnogous tracked russian field guns pulled by a tractor. There are resin kits available for both. Thing is, D-Day's 60th anniversary is coming up soon, so I wanted to celebrate that crucial victory of the Allies.

The German fascination is just a part of this hobby. It's been hashed out here and in other places as well. I know you were fooling around, and I don't want to make too much of this, but my take on it is, since it's a hobby, if people enjoy, more power to them.

It's when they start rounding people up and putting them on trains East that I start to worry, no matter what's on their worktable. Tongue [:P]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:28 AM

id love to get a AFV Club 17 pounder Big Smile [:D]

and a Crusader Gun Tractor from Tamiya Big Smile [:D]

but AFV Club or Tamiya dont make them Sad [:(]

and im not paying £100 for them made in Resin Disapprove [V]

so i get what catches my eye

do anyone make the Russian 100mm BS 3 anti tank gun ?

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:12 PM

Man ya'll this sucks... I don't have internet sevice at my desk anymore so I have to log on where i can. I have been away so much I have lost touch with whats going on around here. I guess I will have to get service at my house to really get back into it... I am amped about starting the build though... sorry I haven't been participating all that much... Talk at ya'll later

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Dwight Ta-ala

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July 2003
From: Philippines

Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Thursday, March 18, 2004 5:30 PM

Are we required to have the towing vehicle built, too? Can I build my Flak 36 without the 8 ton semi-track? I don't have the budget for the 8 ton semi-track right now.

I just want to build it planted on the ground on a dio.

When can we start? Wink [;)]

I finished my M1A2 for the M1 Abrams Group Build already and I have nothing to do. Disapprove [V]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:42 PM

Yeah Dwight you can do the gun alone. It is actually a group build for the field piece, just it seems most of us want to have a mover as well.

The start date is 1 April (no fools here though) with the end being 1 July - nice long build for us slowpokes, so you need to keep those fingers busy on something elsein the mean time. Why not go and see what little cheapie kit the LHS has to offer you.

Then again, why not start on the dio base for the 88mm? Nothing to say that you can't touch that before you put glue to plastic on the field piece itself. Evil [}:)]

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tigerman

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From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:39 PM

Looking forward to your 88mm Dwight. You crank out some awesome models.

Eric

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:45 PM

Hey Eric, creaping up on the magic 2500 I see. Gonna be in some fine company soon.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 19, 2004 2:23 AM

I got my Alan Sig-33 gun in the post today. Looks really nice, too. Still undecided about theatre, towing vehicle, etc. but it is a long build so I guess I can make up my mind as I go along.

Being new to this, do we all sort of list off at the start so we know what everyone is doing? Is there a particular format to follow? Does Larry assign us code names? (If so, I don't want to be Mr Pink, Larry."

Pardon my ignorance, but April is around the corner and I am getting antsy!

Matt

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