Can i corn in here , i mean cut in .....................

Just wanted to brag that the tracks on my Pzkfw 1 dont snap , click or glue together ........,because they are the rubber band type ! I'll see how the things work , they look a little stifff . May want to replace them with an after market set if there is anything available .

Hi Eric :  )

hate to say it again, but with my kit in hand, I am really psyched up !   I am reading, reading reading to make sure I get it right !

Glad you are making progress in the color department,Eric... I think ,although a bit agonizing to get the correct choice, it is a fun part of the build.

do your  tracks 'click' together, or do they have to be glued a bit at a time like Dragon tracks on the Pzkf I ?

I was thinking of getting Friuls for my build as I usually do, but they get a bad review on this tank. the OOB tracks are in fact the best for the kit.

Are you using acrylics or enamel for your build?.... I find that sometimes,usually a critical point,masked off acrylic sometimes pulls or lifts off the plastic... I think I may go way out of the box and use enamels for my multi color paint job as they adhere a bit better when cured... what do you think?

yer pal,

tread

william carls

UPS just came to my house... SCORE  Char B1 bis in hand !.... I , unlike most of you have never built a 1/35 scale Tamiya kit... boy is it nice ! every part clean ,crisp and begging for glue and paint !

tread

Well it's high time you did Tread. Sure they aren't as fancy as Dragon and the other guys, but the newer releases aren't over engineered with a gazillion fiddly-parts. That makes for a still satisfying build, because you don't lose the detail and accuracy.

Picked up Model Master Field Drab #4708 for my H-39 basecoat. It looks to be a close match to the boxart, which shows more yellow then green in the color.

3 weeks and change.

hey cornShell... I never said I was a prolific builder....hence no 1/35 Tamiya.. only a few Trumpeters and Dragons!... I sure like their engineering... this kit is gonna be a breeze.... they missed a lot of rivets though...not that I am counting, BUT I AM!

william carls

UPS just came to my house... SCORE  Char B1 bis in hand !.... I , unlike most of you have never built a 1/35 scale Tamiya kit... boy is it nice ! every part clean ,crisp and begging for glue and paint !

tread

Really , never built a Tamiya 1/35th ? They are nice kits .

Later cornhead .

UPS just came to my house... SCORE  Char B1 bis in hand !.... I , unlike most of you have never built a 1/35 scale Tamiya kit... boy is it nice ! every part clean ,crisp and begging for glue and paint !

tread

I second Tigerman's idea... VT13.. join this great group of guys : )

tread

Vit13

Hello Cliff ,

very happy you like it .

I'm ready to follow this GB.

 

Better yet, jump into it.

Thanks again WBill .

Hello Cliff ,

very happy you like it .

I'm ready to follow this GB.

Vit13: Thanks for the link to Blitz, some really nice stuff there! I am so tempted now by the 'systeme saute mines' which I'm assuming is a mine clearing plow for the Hotchkiss light tank.

Also I've been looking at MK35's website which has a large number of French figures including civilians, accessories and buildings.

Gee guys, you've got me so ready to go I can hardly wait.

Cliff

Thanks bill. That one is already on my to buy list for next month.

Even though i am not able to take part in this GB, i am really looking forward to watching from the side lines. It will be great to see how you guys go about painting this German scheme which has largely been ignored.

Bish,

Sorry for the typo, it's in PT 1-2, not 1-1.

Carl, Tim

Camo was soft-edge and applied over the Dunkelgrau as a base color. Road wheels and lower hulls were included in the paint scheme (makes sense when you consider the overal visual profile of small vehicles like Pz I or II). It's much easier IMHO to apply the dark brown camo as a disruptive pattern over the Pz Gray than the other way around since you only need 1/3 of the brown vs. the gray. All depends I guess on how efficient you want to be with the paint colors.

Eric, you're right about the Schokoladenbraun being desnigated by Testors as a later war color, however I found it to be a near-perfect match to the No. 45 swatch from PT 1-2 and so adapted it to that purpose. As to your question about the "correct" use of the darker chocolate-brown color after '43, that's a question of interpretation of what the actual "rot braun" ought to be. Since the paint was issued in tubes and thinned with all manner of thinning agents and applied by the crews (before institution of factory schemes in Oct '44) in the field, lots of variation is possible and modelers tend to settle on their own preferred shade for the rot-braun. I myself use a mix of 50-50 MM enamel Leather/Military Brown for my shade of choice for example.

Tread,

We tend to think of the French army as weak and easily beaten due to stereotype bias when the opposite was true particularly as it relates to the quality of their armor. The Char B1 was indeed a fearsome opponent and very tough to knock out at range using the German 3.7cm guns or short-barrel 7.5cm on the Pz IVs (remember the Pz IVs at the time were designed and armed as infantry-support tanks, not MBTs). Speculation abounds as to what might have turned out had the French concentrated their armor and used it more effectively but that's the way of hindsight!

If you want some other french materials, this compagny is for you :

http://www.blitz-kit.com/

for exemple :

Renault D1 :

http://www.blitz-kit.com/fiche-produit.php?ref=35FS%201013&cat=vehicule

Laffly S15 :

http://www.blitz-kit.com/fiche-produit.php?ref=35FS%201008&cat=vehicule

Shellback

Wbill and Rob , after looking at your reference pics it looks like the braun is sprayed on freehand and not hard edged , correct ?

That'd be my guess as well.

Wbill and Rob , after looking at your reference pics it looks like the braun is sprayed on freehand and not hard edged , correct ?

Here's the decals that came with Pz. 1.

Tread , yes its good to be building with you after all of these years ! Corn posters will survive ! 

Rob thanks for the pics . I found those DML kits also . Where did they find their reference material at ?I know you cant answer that question , i just wonder. The decals with the kit are out of register so i'll go thru my spares . your another of the great assets here !

iraqiwildman

The Polish campaign was over in early October 1939, so your looking at about 6 months to refit and move their army to the west. The Panzer II were fitted with add-on armor in this time frame.

Your right .Post has been corrected .

So what do you all think the best way to paint this 2 tone camo?

I am thinking of using the dunkelbraun as a primer, then free-handing a little lighter dunkelgrau over 2/3 of the tank. Also, it look like they did 1/3 of the road wheels in dunkelbraun.

PANZERWAFFE

Eric my references calls for #45.  I use MM Schokoladenbraun RAL 8017.  Signalbraun RAL 8002 is not dark enough IMO.  MM does make RAL 8017 in acrylic.

Yes I used that on my Jagdtiger, was that incorrect then? Color plates I've seen of them look more chocolate -brown then red-brown. Sorry, going serious OT here.

Eric my references calls for #45.  I use MM Schokoladenbraun RAL 8017.  Signalbraun RAL 8002 is not dark enough IMO.  MM does make RAL 8017 in acrylic.

Would it be Signalbraun or RAL 8002 as described by Tony Greenland? I thought Schokoladenbraun was late war. 

Bish

To be honest i still find it all very confuseing. This period and the late war period, say the last 6 months of the war, can be a real headache. But, if anyone just wanted to say to hell with it and paint their kits Pz Grey, i don't think anyone would get to upset. But at least you have the info to make up your own mind.

Wonder how many of the judges would catch this? To be honest I never see modelers use the correct two-tone at shows.

I just received a cool book from Amazon.com...... it is called 'Panzer IV vs Char B1 bis, France 1940'

by Steven J. Zaloga.... I just literally started reading it, but it offers comparisons on every level between the 2 heaviest hitters of the short 6 week war.... you Axis guys may not believe this, and I had to read it twice, but the CharB1 bis was , at the time , consider impenetrable !... the Tiger I of it's day.. WOW

back to some good reading!

tread

Shellback

Eric here"s my submission for this G.B., Italeri Panzer kpfw 1b in 1/35th . the vehicle i'll build served with the 1st Pz battalion ,25th Pz regiment ,7th Pz division . Commanded by Rommel , western France , june .1940 .

Hiya Carl :  )

man I knew you were in the build, but, until one picks his kit, ya just kinda wonder..... you have picked a beaut!

I am thrilled to be in a build with so many guys I know, and all great modelers..... and bro', I am so pleased we are both the build .. although on different sides of the fence !   I can't wait for this to start so we can begin the WIP pictures !

Shell my ole' buddy, this will be fun!

tread

bill, i did think it was Pz Tracts 1-1 that this was in. What year was yours published, mine is from 2002 and it doesn't have this, or mention anything about paint schemes. And i only bought it a couple of months ago.

this is a good website for all those doing the Pz.II

http://hosted.wargamer.com/Panzer/panzer2a.htm

thinking of doing this tank here