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Blitzkrieg in the West (France 1940) Sept. 18 2011 - March 1 2012

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Posted by Vit13 on Sunday, September 4, 2011 1:52 PM

Hello Guys ,

Rob i found this for you

http://www.2emecuirassiers.com/Somua%20S35/index.htm

the two pictures in color are from the somua preserved in Musée des blindés at Saumur.

http://www.museedesblindes.fr/

Toast

Jc

 

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Posted by Vit13 on Sunday, September 4, 2011 12:43 PM

Hello

http://www.minitracks.fr/s35_tr11.htm   I have this book . Apparently no names for the may-june campaign.

Toast

 

Jc

i try to find something for you

 

 

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, September 4, 2011 12:40 PM

Shellback

Interesting story about your Dad Tread . I'm surprised at the camo options on these French vehicles . Painting my Pz 1 in panzergrau is going to look boring .

A good opportunity to try the color modulation that is all the rage. Wasn't there some talk earlier in the thread about brown also being used with the panzer grey?

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Sunday, September 4, 2011 12:06 PM

Has anyone found any good color plates of the Somua in there searches?  Not sure if I'm going to use the one I have.  The link that JC has posted has many intresting pics but would be nice if could find some in color.  Also was there individual names and markings and what not for the Somua like there was for the B1?  Thanks

Rob

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Posted by Vit13 on Sunday, September 4, 2011 2:22 AM

Hello Tread ,

Yeah very good story . thanks .

Vive la France  , is perfect . Yes . Sometimes in American forum i read Viva la France and this is wrong Stick out tongue

Anyway , i would like to build a Vought V-156F Vindicator in 1940 , but my skill level is not too good i think.

So i tell you my choice this week .

I search in my stash Big Smile

Toast

 

 

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Posted by treadwell on Sunday, September 4, 2011 12:26 AM

LOL Shell ... I think the Axis did ALL the capturing!

Hells Bells Shell... War ain't it's all cracked up to be in my opinion.... merchant marine.. foot soldier,Rosie the riveter....every body had a job and they did it...I admire them allBow Down

 

   

 

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Posted by Shellback on Saturday, September 3, 2011 11:08 PM

Tread , i'm sure you heard this before but its always a shame that we dont get the stories of our heroes written down for those of us that really enjoy reading their experiences . All i know about my Dad experience in WW II is that he was a merchant marine ...............thats it sadly .

Did the French capture any Pz.1's ? Maybe they camo'd it if they did ....................Stick out tongue

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Posted by treadwell on Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:57 PM

Shellback

Interesting story about your Dad Tread . I'm surprised at the camo options on these French vehicles . Painting my Pz 1 in panzergrau is going to look boring .

not boring at all Shell.... I find single color paint jobs quite challenging ..they hide nothing... the eye can only concentrate on the details of the build and weathering... thats kinda what I was trying to say in the P.S. on my post and about the all gray JEAN BART. Some times less is more.

My dad was a highly decorated war hero, but a very humble man about it....I didn't even learn that much about his war epics until after he died (I was 20)... I was left his DFC, oak leaf clusters ,newspaper clippings, pictures and diary...from those I learned.

Panzer gray ALWAYS looks good to me

treadCool

   

 

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Posted by Shellback on Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:20 PM

Interesting story about your Dad Tread . I'm surprised at the camo options on these French vehicles . Painting my Pz 1 in panzergrau is going to look boring .

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Posted by treadwell on Saturday, September 3, 2011 9:17 PM

My father flew Martin Marauders from England to Germany in WWII.  He was shot down 3 times.

Twice he crashed back in England,once in France.The entire crew survived, and were safely returned to fight another day through the help of the Free French or underground. Absolutely true.

Vive la France

(I hope I spelled it O.K. or close enough Oops)

treadCool

P.S.   there is a lot to learn for this build.. still don't know for sure if the tri color camo is for me... not that it is too difficult, but it looks rather 'busy' to me and maybe a distraction, aesthetically,  from the actual build...there are some schemes where the hull is 2 colors and the turret, being built and painted at a different factory, is tri color.. I like that... don't know what you guys would say if I told you I am also QUITE interested in the mono chromatic gray scheme à la JEAN BART  #492......

   

 

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Posted by darson on Saturday, September 3, 2011 8:15 PM

PANZERWAFFE

French reputation is bad as we all know.  I am guilty of saying this from time to time also but one must give credit where credit is due.  Frances problem along with he British and other countries was that they were trying to fight a defensive war!  If WWII was played out as a repeat of WWI the French and probably Czechoslovakia had a HIGH chance of stopping and defeating the Germans at the very begining.  The French tactics layed in the Maginot Line and all other forces were defensive in nature supporting each other in that role: Infantry supporting the Maginot Line, Tanks supporting the infantry with trenches and fortifications in mind, Aircraft and artiliary firing at and behind the front line (WWI)  In this scenario the French were unbeatable!  The Czech's had the same French designed defense fortifications and excellent armor and armies being also almost unbeatable, or at a heavy price to the enemy, in a defensive war.  During this time the British were just as guilty of useing the incorrect defensive tactics.  When the BEF arrived they built pill-boxes and dug trenches along the Franco-Belgian border and prepared for a defensive war.  This was the main reason BLITZKRIEG was invented, to bypass heavy defense positions.  So as a whole, the world was at fault with the exception of the Germans of this defense war strategy. 

Giving the French credit!  You have to!  When the bulk of the allied forces fell back to Dunkirk it was primarly the French infantry and armored forces that fought furiously in the rear guard actions thus holding back powerful German forces which would have otherwise have been free to attack Dunkirk.  These German forces never reached the sea!  Unfortunately most of these French forces were captured after the evacuation of Dunkirk and killed or put into prison camps.  Thier efforts played a huge part in "Operation Dynamo, the evacuation of Dunkirk"  and can be largly credited with saving the BEF and other forces from destruction and eliminating the British from the war.

JC welcome to the GB!  Nice to have you and your input!  Thanks for all of the great information you have provided.

Rob I was thinking exactly the same thing this morning, the British and French forces were equipped and positioned to run a replay of WWI, unfortunately the German forces had different ideas and forced the allies to be continually on the back foot in a reactive posture. 

The French and British forces that came into contact with the Germans fought bravely but they were attempting to fight a static in which their opponents would co-operate.  Their command staff were miles behind the lines based in Chateaus (sp) with no real idea of what was happening until it was too late to do anything about it.

Defeat in France at a high level can be put down to a couple of things.  Lack of British investment and training in modern weapons and tactics and on the French side faith in a static defensive system that in the end proved easy to bypass.

The quality of the fighting men in the French and BEF is certainly not in question.

Just my 2 cents

Cheers all

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Posted by bobbaily on Saturday, September 3, 2011 2:09 PM

PANZERWAFFE

French reputation is bad as we all know.  I am guilty of saying this from time to time also but one must give credit where credit is due.  Frances problem along with he British and other countries was that they were trying to fight a defensive war!  If WWII was played out as a repeat of WWI the French and probably Czechoslovakia had a HIGH chance of stopping and defeating the Germans at the very begining.  The French tactics layed in the Maginot Line and all other forces were defensive in nature supporting each other in that role: Infantry supporting the Maginot Line, Tanks supporting the infantry with trenches and fortifications in mind, Aircraft and artiliary firing at and behind the front line (WWI)  In this scenario the French were unbeatable!  The Czech's had the same French designed defense fortifications and excellent armor and armies being also almost unbeatable, or at a heavy price to the enemy, in a defensive war.  During this time the British were just as guilty of useing the incorrect defensive tactics.  When the BEF arrived they built pill-boxes and dug trenches along the Franco-Belgian border and prepared for a defensive war.  This was the main reason BLITZKRIEG was invented, to bypass heavy defense positions.  So as a whole, the world was at fault with the exception of the Germans of this defense war strategy. 

Giving the French credit!  You have to!  When the bulk of the allied forces fell back to Dunkirk it was primarly the French infantry and armored forces that fought furiously in the rear guard actions thus holding back powerful German forces which would have otherwise have been free to attack Dunkirk.  These German forces never reached the sea!  Unfortunately most of these French forces were captured after the evacuation of Dunkirk and killed or put into prison camps.  Thier efforts played a huge part in "Operation Dynamo, the evacuation of Dunkirk"  and can be largly credited with saving the BEF and other forces from destruction and eliminating the British from the war.

JC welcome to the GB!  Nice to have you and your input!  Thanks for all of the great information you have provided.

And don't forget the heroics of the French underground & citizens who at great risk saved many of allied airmen from POW camps and/or death.

Bob

 

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Posted by Shellback on Saturday, September 3, 2011 11:54 AM

Here's to our French allies !!! ToastDrinksBeer

We all know the USA cant be put on a pedestal ! Speaking as a Vietnam vet here .

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Posted by Vit13 on Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:40 AM

I agree with that Rob.

The french forgiven to evolute with their strategy and military force.

Many planes were outclassed in the beginning of the confilct. French commission went in USA to buy

planes (curtiss h75 , P-38 , wildcat etc........)

i don't forget  the sacrifice of the Armée de l'air . Many germans planes will be not there to, in some months,

the battle of britain .

 

 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:34 AM

BOYD - Good to hear all is well again!  With all of the armor being built think it will be nice to see some soft skined vehicles.  The 222 will be fun to watch build up!

TREAD - Does this mean in two weeks you will hide your wife and work on nothing but the B1? Confused

Rob

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:11 AM

French reputation is bad as we all know.  I am guilty of saying this from time to time also but one must give credit where credit is due.  Frances problem along with he British and other countries was that they were trying to fight a defensive war!  If WWII was played out as a repeat of WWI the French and probably Czechoslovakia had a HIGH chance of stopping and defeating the Germans at the very begining.  The French tactics layed in the Maginot Line and all other forces were defensive in nature supporting each other in that role: Infantry supporting the Maginot Line, Tanks supporting the infantry with trenches and fortifications in mind, Aircraft and artiliary firing at and behind the front line (WWI)  In this scenario the French were unbeatable!  The Czech's had the same French designed defense fortifications and excellent armor and armies being also almost unbeatable, or at a heavy price to the enemy, in a defensive war.  During this time the British were just as guilty of useing the incorrect defensive tactics.  When the BEF arrived they built pill-boxes and dug trenches along the Franco-Belgian border and prepared for a defensive war.  This was the main reason BLITZKRIEG was invented, to bypass heavy defense positions.  So as a whole, the world was at fault with the exception of the Germans of this defense war strategy. 

Giving the French credit!  You have to!  When the bulk of the allied forces fell back to Dunkirk it was primarly the French infantry and armored forces that fought furiously in the rear guard actions thus holding back powerful German forces which would have otherwise have been free to attack Dunkirk.  These German forces never reached the sea!  Unfortunately most of these French forces were captured after the evacuation of Dunkirk and killed or put into prison camps.  Thier efforts played a huge part in "Operation Dynamo, the evacuation of Dunkirk"  and can be largly credited with saving the BEF and other forces from destruction and eliminating the British from the war.

JC welcome to the GB!  Nice to have you and your input!  Thanks for all of the great information you have provided.

Rob

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Posted by deafpanzer on Saturday, September 3, 2011 8:37 AM

JC, no need to be concerned... French reputation just went up a notch after a victory in Libya recently.  This is going to be fun GB... off to camping in middle of the heat wave. Tongue Tied

Andy

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Posted by Vit13 on Saturday, September 3, 2011 5:01 AM

deafpanzer

 .  I want to show the world that we French can win a battle!  Stick out tongue

 

 

 

Big Smile We have a bad reputation for that , i know Stick out tongue

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, September 2, 2011 7:35 PM

Boyd, welcome back!  Please don't feel bad about doing sdKfz 222... you are really doing us a favor because we need easy German targets.  I want to show the world that we French can win a battle!  Stick out tongue

 

 

Andy

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Posted by treadwell on Friday, September 2, 2011 3:46 PM

Hey bbrownii : )

Glad you got your wattage  flowing  again!... I'll bet that is a relief few people understand.

Personally I think the SdKfz 222 is a VERY cool vehicle... and with the PE  hatchwork they look awesome!

It will be 2 weeks to go on Sunday !.... I made my wife hide my kit until thenWhistling

ttreadCool

   

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Friday, September 2, 2011 3:08 PM

Hi guys

Just got power back after Irene, so I'm trying to catch up on some of my threads.

JC, welcome to the GB. You, sir, seem to have a great deal of information on French armor. Great to have you in the GB.

After all this Char I B talk going on for the last several days, I'm feeling inadequate with my piddly ol' SdKfz 222! Stick out tongue  Ahh, well, I'll live vacariously through all of you!

What are we, two and a half weeks out??

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by Vit13 on Friday, September 2, 2011 12:46 PM

william carls

 

 Vit13:

 

Hello Guys ,

be careful the name is not BOURRESQUE but BOURRASQUE  (number 257 ) .

Toast

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Jean-christophe : )

uh.. I purposely miss spelled BOURRASQUE to see if you guys would catch my intentional mistake ?

you do believe me don't you?Embarrassed

Nice to have you on board in this GB !

treadCool 

Hello tread ,

well i can't tell you something , because my bad english Stick out tongue

LOL

thanks All of you guys to the welcome.Toast

 

Jc

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, September 2, 2011 8:36 AM

Tread, it's pretty cool to see four of us working on the same kit, since I'll be moving the slowest I can  follow and learn from everyone else Wink

Yeah, I'm just going with a good old out-of-box build here, been working with a bunch of PE and I need a simple build. I have had some excellent results from masking with Silly Putty and figure it will work great with the complex camo pattern on this Char B1.

Cliff

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by treadwell on Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:15 PM

Gamera

Hmmm, I was thinking of doing 'VERCINGETORIX' for my Char B just because I like the camo pattern. But gee those Echelon decals look really good.

Hi Gamera : )

some how I missed that you were also doing a Char B1 bis.. sorry man.. I am looking at 'Char francais' at 

VERCINGETORIX ,but I can't tell what camo pattern from  the B&W photos... which pattern is it?

So that is 4 guys doing a Char B1 bis : Andy,Gamera,Terry and Tread... wow I think thats cool... we will get a good variety of the tank and that mimics real life because there are SO MANY camo patterns and names to choose from.

this GB just keeps gettin better!

treadCool

P.S..... duh... I just figured out that the camo pattern and decals are included in the kit....sometimes I work to hard... LOL

   

 

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Posted by treadwell on Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:30 PM

Vit13

Hello Guys ,

be careful the name is not BOURRESQUE but BOURRASQUE  (number 257 ) .

Toast

 

 

 

Hello Jean-christophe : )

uh.. I purposely miss spelled BOURRASQUE to see if you guys would catch my intentional mistake ?

you do believe me don't you?Embarrassed

Nice to have you on board in this GB !

treadCool 

   

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:31 PM

Vit13

 Gamera:

Hmmm, I was thinking of doing 'VERCINGETORIX' for my Char B just because I like the camo pattern. But gee those Echelon decals look really good.

 

 

Hello

be careful two Vercingetorix exists .  

number 426  with the 47 BCC

number 481 with the 46 BCC

Jc

Toast

 

 

Ouch, thanks JC, I was going with the one that came on the Tamiya decal sheet. I'll have to check when I get home which one this is. Thanks for saving me from a lot of confusion.

And welcome to the GB, this is going to be great fun! Welcome Sign

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:23 PM

Vit13

hello ,

well i think jump in this Gb . i don't make my choice Stick out tongue

Maybe a caudron 714  or a breguet 693 or an other. It will be a plane for me.

I'm a new beginner my level is very low ...........sorry  Wink

Toast

 

ps: My first name is Jean-christophe , you could be use Jc .

 

 

Pleasure to meet you Jean and welcome to our GB. 

Let me know which is your choice and the scale and manufacturer, so I can update the first page. 

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, September 1, 2011 11:14 AM

Andy,

I've got a "cleaner" thread version up on my site as well that might be easier for folks to read through vs. the Armorama one:

http://www.bpmodels.net/Model/Album/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9

And yes I do have some "Allied" skeletons in the closet if you dig deep enough! Big Smile

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Posted by deafpanzer on Thursday, September 1, 2011 10:23 AM

darson

Welcome to the build Jc and don't worry about skill level, these builds are about sharing your build with the group and having fun, so relax and enjoy.

JC,

I agree with Darson's comment!  GB is a great place to have fun and learn.  We can help you improve your modeling skill and you can help us with your excellent knowledge on French armor and wings.  Its win-win situation for everybody here...

Andy

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Posted by Vit13 on Thursday, September 1, 2011 10:22 AM

Gamera

Hmmm, I was thinking of doing 'VERCINGETORIX' for my Char B just because I like the camo pattern. But gee those Echelon decals look really good.

 

Hello

be careful two Vercingetorix exists .  

number 426  with the 47 BCC

number 481 with the 46 BCC

Jc

Toast

 

 

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