Pearl Harbour 70th Anniversary GB

The best i can find is VMF-211 and VMF-121. Both attributed to elsewhere (211 wake island, 121 Guadalcanal) But are reported as being at pearl during the invasion.

You can do them if you want to they are fine with me!

After looking into it, getting my tamiya F4F-4 converted to an F4F-3 with VMF-211 markings will cost a bit more than i can spare just at the moment. So after careful consideration i dont think ill be able to enter this build, at least not with my wildcat.

Oh, okay

well i hope you find something else to enter with!

Id like to enter with a P-26 from the 18th PG based at wheeler field.

By the pearl raids i beleive they had converted to the P-40 but they still had P-26's in their arsenal as trainers.

One thing i cant figure out is if they had repainted them OD uppers with Grey undersides or if they were blue with yellow wings during the raids.

Okay, I'll sign you up.

I don't mind if you paint it either way. Because ive seen photos of them at pearl with both schemes.

Welcome abourd 

Scorp, don't know if this will help, and you may have seen it already but:

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It comes from this website anyway.

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww15/f/746/3/0 

At least this gives you some reference material.  Hope it helps some.

Yeah i saw that the other day.

I was hoping to do a bright scheme, OD and grey just looks so boring on these birds.

I think ill stick with bright blue with yellow wings. It dates this scheme as 39. But i imagine if they knew they were getting new birds they probably didnt paint them all. Especially hacks and trainers.

Scorpio - what kit and scale?

Academy 1:48.

Sorry shoulda said that earlier.

It's alright, ive actually never heard of a P-26 before they are a strange little plane, I can see why you would want it yellow & blue. It looks much better than OD & grey.

Here's a link that is more useful info for you.

http://www.airfields-freeman.com/HI/Airfields_HI.htm

Go round it a little and you'll get a good idea of the resources that were in place in 1941.

I do not think any Pea Shooters were blue and yellow by that time, anywhere. There's a couple of good photos of -26s at Morse Field on the Big island in 1940. They look to be natural aluminum and silver dope. It's possible there might have been a few that were OD fuselage, NG underside with yellow wings, but I've never seen one at Hawaii in any photos. I'm sure  the ones at Wheeler were OD/NG.

The Army did paint the bottoms of their wings yellow, unlike the Navy.

May I join in??

Be a nice excuse to build 2 of my Nichimo 1/48 Kates (one with bombs and another with a torpedo) and maybe a Hasegawa Val.

Of course!! Welcome to the fun.

I'll add you to the roster.

Thanks for that link, very helpful.

This is the top photo.

After doing some B&W photography in my teen years i started to identify colours in B&W (loosely, i was never very good at it) But to me, those do look like blue and yellow. Yellow goes florescent under the old photography style similar to NMF.

Example.

OD with yellow wings. Silver cowl.

Also remembering 18th pg used a powder blue. which would have looked very pale in the photos.

If someone here is better at reading B&W in colour id be happy to hear your opinion.

If i cant get any definitive answers im doing it powder blue and yellow. After researching the squadron they had them that colour and OD/NG.

I'd like to join up. 1/72 Hobby Boss F4F-3 marked as aircraft #9 from VMF-211.  It was left behind at Pearl with a starter problem and was there on 7 Dec. 1941, lost on 22 Dec. 1941. 

welcome lewbud, ill add you too the roster!

Scorpio - those pics are great i dont mind if you paint it in blue & yellow. Those pics are good enough for me too prove that they were blue & yellow while at pearl.

the real red baron

Scorpio - those pics are great i dont mind if you paint it in blue & yellow. Those pics are good enough for me too prove that they were blue & yellow while at pearl.

What are you getting at? 

Those planes are NM, OD & yellow, and they are at pearl… so what on earth are you saying?

No blue

Oh sorry, I just realized I said blue

Scorpiomikey

Yeah i saw that the other day.

I was hoping to do a bright scheme, OD and grey just looks so boring on these birds.

I think ill stick with bright blue with yellow wings. It dates this scheme as 39. But i imagine if they knew they were getting new birds they probably didnt paint them all. Especially hacks and trainers.

 Taken 7 Dec 1941, Wheeler Field after the attack

Looking at the wings of the burned out P-36 in front and the P-40 to the rear, I'd say the P-26 is OD over Gray.  I've seen other pics from 1940 and the switch from the high viz scheme to a more muted scheme had already begun to take place.   http://www.flickr.com/photos/peacelovescoobie/5834786253/  P-26 squadron at Wheeler Field circa 1940.  If you want to do the Peashooter at Pearl at the time of the attack,it's OD over Gray.  Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

I stumbled across this pic a few moments ago, and thought it would be good for a laugh here...

for those of you who remember the Animal House speech about Pearl Harbor...

Isn't that a HE-111? 

I don't get it…

the real red baron

Isn't that a HE-111? 

I don't get it…

in the movie Animal House, the character misspeaks and says the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

CallSignOWL

 

the real red baron:

 

Isn't that a HE-111? 

I don't get it…

 

 

in the movie Animal House, the character misspeaks and says the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

Oh, I've never seen that movie.

I havnt seen you about here for a while, homework been piling up?

RRB: I havent seen it either, but I know what they are talking about from another thread.

I actually just got all caught up, so I've spent most the weekend building a model! I'll be posting a build thread soon.

To chime in on your coloring debate and add my 2cents :

Around Oct 1941, it was directed for USAAF tactical aircraft to be camoflaged. Up to that point,most aircraft were in a NMF since the late 1930s primarily as a cost saving measure. Blue and Yellow had been discontinuned in production back then and was removed during periodic routine overhauls on aircraft on which it was still applied. I have a greatbook containing dozens upon dozens of photos of all aspects of Pearl in the time leading up to, during, and immedaitely after the attack. OD over NG was the predominant paint scheme to be found, but many aircraft in NMF could also still seen. Phil Rassmussen's P-36 (no. 86)being one of the most famous to be seen afterwards.

Well poopy burgers. I was hoping for a bright colour birdy. Oh well. OD and NG it is. Now to find some markings.

Markings for most AAF aircraft on Oahu were very plain at the time of the attack. On OD/NG National insiginia are painted on fusealge sides, upper right and lower left wing. No red/white tail stripes on OD planes. Pursuit group ID number and plane in group number on tail. Usually in black but on some in white or yellow, and on a few on the cowl as well. One group also used the large plane in group numbers in white on the fuselage. On the NMF fighters, national insignia on bothupper and lower wings, usually not on the fuselage. Red/White rudder stripes on some. Command stripes for flight and squadron leaders seen on NMF planes. Group ID in black on tail. Large plane in group number in black on fuselage. On OD and NMF aircraft US ARMY on lower wing surface in black or Insignia Blue.

I built this1/48 Hobbycraft P-36 as Harry Brown's twin kill vet of Haleiwa. Found out much later that the numbers should have been Yellow and not White... His markings are typical of many that day.