Hey super job O!

NM looks spot on, and the decals look perfect to me now. And nice job on the waste gate- I didn't know what it was either

Nice job on the Jug, O! I swear the more I mess with and see others mess with Alclad, the more I like the stuff. I'm actually pondering using the salt chipping technique on Magic Carpet's NMF wings to see if I can't introduce some micro variations in the finish (if you look at a lot of wartime P-47s up close, the wings and especially the leading edge and wingroot look pretty nasty, particularly in NMF).

I FINALLY have some pics to share! Man, I love Tamiya's Jug kits, but there's definitely a ramp-up time before things start going together.

First up, engines. One of the reasons I wanted to build the Revellogram and Tamiya kits side-by-side was to explore the points that come up in the endless debates around here. One of the biggest being Tamiya kits costing more/not being worth it. In my opinion the Razorback earns the $30ish it usually goes for, and totally earns the $20 I paid for this particular kit. And a big part of that is the extent of detail. The Tamiya R-2800 isn't a Quickboost or Vector piece, but it's detailed enough considering how packed into the cowl it will be. 

The Revellogram example, on the other hand...eesh. Monogram did some pretty bang-up engines back in the day. This is not one of them. Detail is shallow, cramped, not enough room to add detail. If I wanted to go crazy, I guess I could go with a Vector R-2800, scratch the intake framing, and pray. But I don't want to go crazy on this build.

Next - the Tamiya cockpit. Still working on the Revellogram, but it makes me sad (the other major drawback aside from the engine). Painted this one up in MM Euro Dark Green to stand in for DDG. Drybrushed with MM Dunkelgrau and touches of Floquil Old Silver here and there. The instructions called for the control stick boot to be painted Buff, so I used a Vallejo equivalent, though none of my references show a P-47 with a stick boot. Seat is Ultracast, PE bits out of Eduard's excellent P-47 placards set. 

I still have some details to pick out, need to add the lever handle to the throttle quadrant, and need to dirty things up with a thin oil wash. But getting close...

im totally digging your garage find O. i cant wait to get my hands on some alclad.

doogs, im right there with you on the price/value of tamiya kits, the side by side comp points this out very well. also thanks for the tip about using MM paints for a stand in for DDG.

Doogs: That's some sharp work there!

As to the debate- I like Hans and I appeciate what he does but when I come home from work I'm tired and don't feel like beating my head against the wall with a poor fitting kit. I like painting and decaling a lot better than filling and sanding.

BTW: The engine on the Promodeler P-47N is nicely detailed but the front and back plates don't fit at all- about half the cylinders line up and the other half don't. If you rotate the front and back plates so half line up the other half don't. I ended up having to file down half of them because of this, since you can't see the back of the engine it really doesn't show but gee friggin' whiz do they have any quality control at all? Most of the Monogram kits from the '70s fit better than this. I've heard bad stuff about the Academy P-47N but it can't be much worse.

Gamera

Most of the Monogram kits from the '70s fit better than this. I've heard bad stuff about the Academy P-47N but it can't be much worse.

Dude you've got me questioning why I picked up the Revell -N in addition to the Academy. The Academy has its problems too, just in totally different areas. I will build it one of these days, but now that I've got a Trumpy -N in the stash, if I want a crazywings Jug I'll build the big boy first.

Ack, maybe I should have bought both the Promodeler and the Academy and kitbashed them together?

Beyond my bellyaching the Revell kit mostly fits together well. the engine which as I said is hidden under the cowling and you can't see that much of it. You could replace it with aftermarket or one from a Hasegawa or Tamiya kit. Bigger issues are the separate gun covers on the leading edge which I had to really putty and sand to get to fit and the flaps which are molded in two parts giving a big seam right down the middle of them.

Some of the engineering is excellent - even brilliant- other parts have you scratching your head and thinking what the blazes were they thinking??? And as I said the detail is really nicely done, it's been a bear to try not to sand it off though.

Doogs: If you have the kit please don't let me stop you from building it. If anyone doesn't have the kit and is thinking of buying it I would recommend it with reservations.

Anyway, here we are:

You can see the problem areas by the white putty. Biggest issues are the leading edge gun covers and the spine antennae area. There was a cavity in the top right wing that I filled with the white putty.

And you can see here the puttied seam on the flaps and the area where the wing fits to the fuselage. In all fairness the Hasegawa kit has issues in the wing fuselage fit too.

panzerpilot

 

randypandy831:

 

thanks! quick boost makes a 30 conversion but for a 72nd. BOO! and yeah, all hasegawa bubble top kits include the dorsal fin. i might just give tamiya a holler and ask for the dorsal fin off the M kit. 

 

 

Hey. I've got the Tamiya P-47M kit. The sprue you need is "L".

It's got a serial # on it: 61096 and A905819. Parts 12, 13, 14, 18 &19. Hopefully Tamiya will send them to you. There are actually 3 different dorsal fin styles on the sprue (12, 14, 18). Good luck!

thanks for the info! i should be at the bench right now but i been busy with school and my dads home from Afghanistan for three weeks so, im spending a lot of time with the family and of course school. so, i'll try n get some modeling done next week. 

randypandy831

 

 

thanks for the info! i should be at the bench right now but i been busy with school and my dads home from Afghanistan for three weeks so, im spending a lot of time with the family and of course school. so, i'll try n get some modeling done next week. 

Family time trumps bench time, especially in a circumstance like yours where it's compressed into a brief window.

Well, I managed to finish up the Tamiya pit last night. Didn't get pictures since I was waiting for the oil wash to dry out. Should be finishing up the Revell pit hopefully tonight. I can't stand the shoddy molded-in belts so I'm going to be overlaying them with...something. Either strips of Tamiya tape or lead foil, probably.

Progress in other areas...here's what the Master blast tubes are lookin' like:

Also did a test fit of the Revellogram's canopy last night and...holy cow. The fit isn't bad, but talk about out-of-scale thickness!

 Anyone know off the top of their head if Falcon makes a vacform for this kit?

DoogsATX

 Anyone know off the top of their head if Falcon makes a vacform for this kit?

Looked on Squadron. They do...as part of a $25 set, of which I have ZERO of the other kits and zero intention of purchasing any of them.

Yeah, that's a slightly think canopy Wonder if you can sand down the rear a little.

Still love those blast tubes, haven't been able to find tubing of that size, I've been looking for syringe needles. Not sure how to convince people I'm looking for model plane machine guns instead of shooting up drugs... 

[quote user="Gamera"]

Yeah, that's a slightly think canopy Wonder if you can sand down the rear a little.

Still love those blast tubes, haven't been able to find tubing of that size, I've been looking for syringe needles. Not sure how to convince people I'm looking for model plane machine guns instead of shooting up drugs... 

Gamera - Smallparts.com is an excellent source of hypodermic needle stock.

I have also found this tubing/gun size conversion chart to be extremely helpul:

http//wwwdocstoc.com/docs/11038233/Scale-Gun-Barrel-Chart

                                                             Joe

Here's my entry.  Should start tonight.

True Details interior and decals for Major Robert S. Johnson's Lucky.

Hey Joe,

Sounds good! Will give it a look.

Cliff

well, after talking with my uncle for awhile i was told his dad flew the jug then switched the the p-38. and, the wedding reception held here. the stang was swapped with another stang due to a storm knocking it out year or two ago. 

Randy: Cool photo! That restaurant isn''t near Fort Bragg/ Fayetteville NC is it? If so I might try visiting there next time I run down to Myrtle Beach.

Gamera

Randy: Cool photo! That restaurant isn''t near Fort Bragg/ Fayetteville NC is it? If so I might try visiting there next time I run down to Myrtle Beach.

sadly it's not. its in Cleveland,Ohio. right across the air port. 

you ever stop by hayes hobby here in fayetteville? 

and does anyone make these markings for a 48scale? i swear i found a sheet but i forgot.

Ah ok, Ohio is a little farther to drive  

Didn't even know about Fayetteville Hobby, if they're a good hobby shop I'll check them out next time I drive down that way, Don't know when that will be - I'll probably be going on vacation to the IPMS show in Orlando this year.

Not sure about the decals but those cowling checkers look like a pain to get lined up. There was an article in FSM about five or so years ago on masking and painting them which I really liked but never got around to trying.

randypandy831

 

and does anyone make these markings for a 48scale? i swear i found a sheet but i forgot.

Randy - not sure about the exact aircraft, but I'm pretty sure Tamiya's bubbletop has those checkered cowl markings. Though as much of a pain as those are, I'd be tempted to try masking the cowl myself.

Figure you could lay down strips of tape the height of the squares, with tick marks where the squares shift. Then pull out every other strip, cut, and place squares. Then remove the other half and place the remaining squares, aligning with those already put down. Time consuming? Yes. But pretty doable I think!

Finally! Some progress to share on the Jugs! 

As with the engines, the difference between the old Revellogram Jug and the newer Tamiya is pretty extreme. 

If I were going all out on the Revellogram, I'd have scrapped the kit cockpit and attempted to scratchbuild my own. But...when with a bit of looking can score you a Tamiya Razorback for $20...personally it's hard for me to see why.

Still have a few small bits to see to before I can close up the Tamiya, but the fuselages should start going together tonight.

Nice Doogs. I like those harnesses.

Quick question to the group - anybody got an old Revellogram Jug on hand? Need to know the lengths of the blast tubes protruding from the wings (stupid me forgot to measure before slicing them off). I believe it was 9mm, 6mm, 3mm and .5mm or something like that...but need to add the backstops before I can close the wings.

panzerpilot

Nice Doogs. I like those harnesses.

Thanks! The Ultracast seat in the Tamiya actually had the harnesses molded in...lovely detail though. The ones in the Revell are lead foil w/ some Waldron buckles. Nothing fancy, but I'm going closed-canopy on that kit anyway...

Gamera

Ah ok, Ohio is a little farther to drive  

Didn't even know about Fayetteville Hobby, if they're a good hobby shop I'll check them out next time I drive down that way, Don't know when that will be - I'll probably be going on vacation to the IPMS show in Orlando this year.

Not sure about the decals but those cowling checkers look like a pain to get lined up. There was an article in FSM about five or so years ago on masking and painting them which I really liked but never got around to trying.

doogs- yeah, i was thinking about masking the checker scheme. 

oh, your missing out. 

after a little research i looks to be a 78th FG bird. 

 Doogs, nice finish on the Tamiya pit. Haven't broke open the box on mine yet, but your post are inspiring!

 Randypandy, Man that pic of the hobby shop brought back some memories. I miss my LHS.

Mobious

 Doogs, nice finish on the Tamiya pit. Haven't broke open the box on mine yet, but your post are inspiring!

Thanks! You won't be disappointed! IMO Tamiya's P-47s are among the best, if not the best, 1/48 kits on the market.

Hey Doogs, I hate to jump in the pool so late, but do you think I can join in? The Jug is my all time favorite and I have two ready to go! The first one is an Academy P-47N that I will do in Lt. Henry Yaeger's "Some Punkins" from the 73rd F.S. 318th F.G. and then I have a Tamiya Bubbletop that I will do as Lt. Victor Schmidt's "Chautauqua" from the 463rd F.S. 507th F.G. Let me know if it's all good! Thanks!