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Offical P-40 Group Build 2012

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Posted by DoogsATX on Monday, February 27, 2012 11:23 PM

Yep, the early Fs were basically Es modified to carry the Merlin. P-40F-5 models had the lengthened fuselage a la the P-40K. The L corresponded to the P-40M.

I'm actually over the moon, as I just discovered the existence of an F/L conversion nose for the 1/32 Hasegawa P-40E/K/M! Knew I grabbed that kit at the show for a reason!

http://www.greymatterfigures.com/index.php?p=2&id=88

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, February 27, 2012 10:19 AM

MJames70

The very early version of P-40 in action (#26) that I bought like 30 years and published in 1976, states that early Fs were identical to the E fuselage wise, and the lengthening occurred during the F production run. Unfortunately, no serial or other information to differentiate aircraft with is given though. 

Anyone with a Hobby Lobby looking for a deal they usually have the Academy 1/72 P-40E in stock, at least the one around here. With the regular 40%off coupon it is just over $7 there. Not bad....

Thanks! I looked around and it seems some of the later Fs got a bigger tail fin as well. If I build the kit as a E I can dig up some decals somewhere. The kit ones are yellow as a lemon now.

Heck, no big deal either way- I paid a grand total of four bucks for it so if I end up buying another kit for the GB it's not going to break the bank. Wink

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Posted by MJames70 on Monday, February 27, 2012 7:55 AM

The very early version of P-40 in action (#26) that I bought like 30 years and published in 1976, states that early Fs were identical to the E fuselage wise, and the lengthening occurred during the F production run. Unfortunately, no serial or other information to differentiate aircraft with is given though. 

Anyone with a Hobby Lobby looking for a deal they usually have the Academy 1/72 P-40E in stock, at least the one around here. With the regular 40%off coupon it is just over $7 there. Not bad....

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, February 27, 2012 7:40 AM

the real red baron

Gamera - Ive seen some reviews of that kit, looks to be quite decent. I thought the P-40F also had a shorter fuselage than the P-40E.

 

I'll have to check. If it does I can always build her as the P-40E.

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Posted by the real red baron on Monday, February 27, 2012 2:38 AM

Gamera - Ive seen some reviews of that kit, looks to be quite decent. I thought the P-40F also had a shorter fuselage than the P-40E.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, February 26, 2012 6:18 PM

Ninetalis: Wow, those are great photos! Gee, if we had a service station with a P-40 on the roof I'd stop there all the time.

MJames: Thanks great review there! If I may nitpick the interior cockpit paint for Mitsubishi built Zeros looks very close to me to USAAF interior green . Those built under license by Nakajima did have an interior colour that looks to me as almost the same as the RAF cockpit paint. 

 

Baron Richtofen: Picked up a nice little Otaki 1/48th P-40E at a show yesterday along with some great decals. I believe I can modify the kit to a P-40F by removing the carburetor air intake from the top of the cowling. 

Cliff

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Posted by the real red baron on Sunday, February 26, 2012 1:31 PM

I like the stands, its a pity that they don't include them more often in kits.

I don't think I would try and paint a entire model with only 3ml of paint. I would just pour the 3ml into my 14ml jar of the same type.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by MJames70 on Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:55 AM

Time for some more punishment, with a look at the Airfix Dogfight Doubles boxing of the 1/72 P-40 and Zero kits.

The larger box is about the size you'd expect to find a 1/48 single engine fighter in. A sturdy cardboard tray inside holds the following -

Separately bagged kits of the P-40B and Mitsubishi Zero; once again, the plastic here is exactly the same as the standard AVG Hawk and Zero boxings. So all I'll say here about them is I think they are pretty good value for dollar kits. There is plenty about them on the internet already.

A third bag contains a black plastic display stand that can hold both of the aircraft, and a small sticker that goes on the nameplate molded into the stand base that identifies both planes. 

The last bag contains the goodies - a small tube of Humbrol glue, Humbrol #0 and #4 brushes, and 8 of the tiny 3ml pots of Humbrol (#s 11,33,64,81,85,90,128,155). More about that paint in a bit...

Also included were a combined set of instructions with full color paint and decaling guides for both aircraft, a combined decal sheet for both planes, and a small Airfix flyer catalog and club info sheet. Unlike the starter sets I have seen, the Doubles boxing decal sheet has all of the small stencils for both aircraft included.

The markings are for two well known machines of the Pearl Harbor attack, Lt. Welch's P-40B of the 47PS 15PG, and the Zero of Lt. Saburo Shindo off the carrier Akagi. Once again printed by Cartograf, they should prove perfectly usable based on past experiences with their decals from Airfix kits.

While the decals are an improvement over the ones I've seen in the starter sets, the instructions are still lacking in the painting directions department. Unless you are already knowledgeable in the subjects, you will likely have questions, as Airfix tries to limit themselves to the included paints again, despite the box warning that additional colors may be necessary.

While the exterior of the P-40 is catered to pretty well, the closest color Humbrol has for the grey-green of the Zero is Beige Green/Sky #90. Not too bad, but it definitely a tinge greener than I would like. The interior of the P-40 is called out as the previously discussed 81 pale yellow. The interior of the Zero is recommended as Humbrol 226 - US Interior Green!

But wait a minute you say, there is no 226 in the set. And you're right, there is not. A pot of #64 grey that is not even called out for either kit is among the eight, though. A mistake in my set, or is it like that in all of them? Anyway, #78 is the usual recommended interior green for British A/C, and Tamiya uses that color as XF-71 for both British and Japanese Navy interiors. So why not include that color instead?

It doesn't end there, though. The metallic blue-green aotake finish of the Zero gear well and door insides is not even mentioned; no direction at all is given for painting the Zero's parts in those areas. Probably because Humbrol does not make anything like that color in its range, but it just another typical example of the many compromises, errors, or omissions in the painting directions of these kits. Additional references are definitely recommended.

Once again, this set is not really targeted to the serious hard core modeler. It is not as bad a value as the starter sets, though. The kits have an MSRP of $7.50 each, and the stand $12. So that is $27 of the $30 the set sells for. So the rest of the accessories are only about $3 this time, better than the starter sets. 

If you like the markings provided, and want the stand, this is not a bad set. Otherwise you may want to look elsewhere and get some aftermarket decals for the standard boxings of the kits.

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Posted by MJames70 on Monday, February 20, 2012 8:12 PM

I will take a few pictures of the Dogfight Doubles boxing of the P-40 over the coming weekend. It does recommend yellow 81 for the interior and gear bays. I guess this pale yellow is the closest thing to yellow zinc chromate that Humbrol has. Correctness still debatable...

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Posted by Ninetalis on Monday, February 20, 2012 2:34 PM

I was paging trough some of my old magazines and found these interesting pictures of various post-war P-40's
They have some fun paint shemes and since we are waiting for the start of the GB, I'm just going to post this.

Also, maybe this cockpit picture will come in handy for some of you guys



Regards Ninetalis

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Posted by DoogsATX on Monday, February 20, 2012 1:55 PM

I'd guess by yellow they mean zinc chromate primer, which is pretty yellow. 

I know for cockpits they toned it down by adding black, this creating interior green in its various shades. But early-war, before the anti-glare benefits of a dark cockpit were fully appreciated? Who knows...it's possible I guess.

While we're talking P-40s, picked up a 1/32 Hasegawa P-40M at ModelFiesta this weekend for a bit less than $40 ($40 P-40M, $40 1/32 Ki-44 Tojo w/ 40mm wing cannons, $30 Eagle Editions 190D-9 cockpit for $100...). That makes four P-40s in my stash, tied w/ the Fw 190 for 3rd-most after the P-47 (10) and P-51 (7)...

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Posted by Ninetalis on Monday, February 20, 2012 1:44 PM

Red Baron
I have had the same problem once, I've asked some people about it then.
They told me that that same colour was used to paint the wheel wells on some aircraft.
So it's possible that the cockpit was painted in the same colour,
but I can't really say for sure if it was like that or not.
I think that there is some kind of thruth behind it, but I can't really say for sure.
There were probably some aircraft plants who painted the cockpit yellow,
because of the lack of cockpit-green or some other simple reason.

Regards Ninetalis.

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Posted by the real red baron on Monday, February 20, 2012 1:38 PM

The instructions for the Hawk-81 told me to paint the cockpit yellow. I don't think I have ever seen a ww2 plane with a yellow cockpit.

Nice review of the kit, I haven't bought a starter set and probably will not. I often don't use the colours/decals provided. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by MJames70 on Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:27 PM

Something to put a little life in and bump this back to page one. A quick look at one of the alternate boxings of the new Airfix 1/72 P-40 - The Tomahawk IIB Starter Set.

The set comes in a standard size box, but for the header card on the top, which has 4 tiny pots of Humbrol acrylic paint (#s 29,33,93,157), a small tube of Humbrol glue, and a #2 Humbrol brush. 

The back of the box has the painting and decaling guide; the included colors are adequate for the main exterior colors, plus black. The pots are tiny though, only 3ml. A standard Humbrol pot is 14ml, which is just less than a 1/2oz jar of say, Model Master. So there is not a lot of paint in these little ones, and I am not sure I would want to attempt to cover the model if this was all I had!

 

Inside the box, the P-40 plastic itself is exactly the same as the AVG Hawk 81 boxing. It's been covered enough already on the internet, so I won't discuss it further. The outside of the box warns that 'Additional paints may be required to complete the model to a higher specification'. The instructions do limit themselves to the four included colors though, unlike the standard kit.

 

This means the color callouts for things like the cockpit interior, gear bays, struts, other small parts, etc., are either missing or plain incorrect. While the included colors are adequate for the main external Dark Earth/MiddleStone/Azure Blue of the desert scheme, some of the smaller color callouts are again suspect or missing. Should not the spinner on these Tomahawks be red, as other RAF desert aircraft? The box has it as black....probably since there is no red among the included colors! Looks like additional references will be required here...

 

Decals are for a single example of No.112 Squadron in Libya, 1941. They are well printed by Cartograf, so there should be no problems using them. One thing to note, though, is that the decals provide the main markings only, such as roundels, codes, and the sharkmouth. As is true of most other starter sets I have seen , all of the smaller stencil type decals are omitted. Not too bad on the P-40, but it was really notable comparing the two boxings of the Spitfire Mk.Ia kit. It was really barren and lonely looking on the starter sheet compared to the regular kit one.

 

To sum up, I realize the 'serious' modeler that hangs out here is not the target audience of this starter set. But I thought people might want to hear about it anyway. The standard AVG P-40 kit has a retail MSRP of $7.50; the starter set is $13. I am not sure there is $5+ of value in the included accessories (all the paint together is not even equal to one $2 standard pot of Humbrol, for example), so it is tough to recommend this set unless you desire these particular markings. Maybe I will take a look at the Dogfight Doubles set of the P-40B and Zero later on....

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Posted by MJames70 on Sunday, February 5, 2012 11:06 AM

Good to know about the wing seams in advance. I had a few glitches with the new 1/72 Spitfire Mk.Ia as well, but it came out alright in the end. 

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Posted by the real red baron on Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:02 AM

I'm building the new tooling airfix kit myself right now. Wonderful so far… the only real seams are in the wing roots.

I'll add you to the roster for TBD, welcome aboard!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by MJames70 on Saturday, February 4, 2012 11:22 PM

Never participated in a group build or anything like it anywhere, but have to start some time! I see no one has volunteered one of the new Airfix 1/72 P-40s yet.....I'll go for that. Just not sure which one - the standard Flying Tiger boxing, the RAF version in the starter set, or the Pearl Harbor one in the Dogfight Doubles set....got'em all. Maybe more than one?

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Posted by the real red baron on Friday, February 3, 2012 1:41 PM

Nice doogs, I've seen the one with the ? before.

Ill be using academy's decals for the Aleutian tiger markings. I've heard bad things about academy decals though…

 

 

 

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, February 3, 2012 11:31 AM

Got my Kittyhawk IV the other day. It definitely looks the sweet kit! 

I was just going to go after it as a USAAF P-40N...until I saw the second livery option in the box. RAF 112 Squadron, GA-? (yes, actually a question mark). 

The Middlestone/Dark Earth/Azure scheme is quite possibly my favorite of the war (challenged only by the blue/blue camo the 63rd(?) FS used on their P-47Ms), and yeah...excited for this one!

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Posted by the real red baron on Monday, January 30, 2012 3:27 PM

STFD637

RRB: Yeah, I have the actual M/N kit. It comes with a choice of 2 bulkheads. The assembly seems pretty straight forward. I still haven't decided what scheme to go with, but I am leaning in the direction of a US fighter out of New Guenea. I might even make it into a vinette. I figure by June I should be caught up with the other buidls I have signed on for.

Mines the Academy E model and it comes with the bulkheads for M or N. but it's already got the E bulkheads attached in the body halves. I don't know why they included them.

Lewbud & randy pandy - welcome aboard

 

 

 

 

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Posted by STFD637 on Monday, January 30, 2012 3:09 PM

RRB: Yeah, I have the actual M/N kit. It comes with a choice of 2 bulkheads. The assembly seems pretty straight forward. I still haven't decided what scheme to go with, but I am leaning in the direction of a US fighter out of New Guenea. I might even make it into a vinette. I figure by June I should be caught up with the other buidls I have signed on for.

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Posted by randypandy831 on Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:34 PM

hase N model is sweet. built one awhile back. im so tempted to join. raf markings are calling my name. 

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by lewbud on Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:13 PM

Put me down for something in 1/72.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by Ninetalis on Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:32 PM

the real red baron

Ninetalis - Sure, you haven't been past the sanding. So welcome aboard!



Oh yey, thanks guys!

the real red baron

Can you wait until June, to resume?

No problem mate, It's been waiting here forever,
and I have a lot of unfinished planes waiting till I get hold of my decent airbrush.

So I will wait, not a problem Wink

Regards Ninetalis.

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Posted by the real red baron on Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:57 PM

Ninetalis - Sure, you haven't been past the sanding. So welcome aboard!

Can you wait until June, to resume?

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Ninetalis on Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:42 PM

I like P-40's,

And I have this P-40C Flying Tiger from Academy in my stash!

Only one 'problem', I allready started with it, I have build it as far as this







I still have to sand it, paint it, make the wheels, wheel wells and the landing gear, decals (offcourse), that sort of stuff.
I really would like to join in, so is that okay with you guys?

Regards Ninetalis.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:27 PM

the real red baron

Doogs -  Ive been searching for that kit Indifferent, is there another on there?

I just saw the one...but if it's the markings with that boxing you're after (versus just any P-40N) I'd be happy to send along the decal sheet. I'm thinking of going with the Zotz markings. Maybe the NMF one...

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Posted by the real red baron on Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:15 PM

Doogs -  Ive been searching for that kit Indifferent, is there another on there?

STFD637 - Welcome aboard! My Academy 1:72 P-40E comes with the optional N/M parts but there is not way to fit them? Whats the point?

 

 

 

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:25 PM

STFD637

What the heck!!! I don't see and M/N models yet so count me in with Academy's 1/72 P-40M/N.

 

Just scored Hasegawa's 1/48 P-40N on eBay (Kittyhawk IV boxing) so I may put it in play. 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

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Posted by STFD637 on Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:14 PM

What the heck!!! I don't see and M/N models yet so count me in with Academy's 1/72 P-40M/N.

 

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