Mig does make some pretty aircraft. But they released a prototype that got outstripped by the Mig-21. The Mig-21 was developed from the Ye-5. But at the airshow that it was shown off at they also showed off its sister. The Ye-2A Faceplate. Which i thought was much nicer looking.

Theres a good page on it all here.

http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand-Icho/3902/jf/jf_e_russia.html

Gamera

Russ: Frankly at least you're building stuff, more than I can say for myself... Please keep posting, I'll mosey over to your WIP and follow along but please keep hanging out with us.

I dunno, there are a couple of Soviet planes I've always liked- I love the look of the Pe-2, very sleek and fast looking plane. And the T34 is one of the better looking WW2 tanks IMHO.

I personally thought the MiG-15:

and the MiG-17:

along with the MiG-21:

were pretty nice looking aircraft. 

Ken

Russ: Frankly at least you're building stuff, more than I can say for myself... Please keep posting, I'll mosey over to your WIP and follow along but please keep hanging out with us.

I dunno, there are a couple of Soviet planes I've always liked- I love the look of the Pe-2, very sleek and fast looking plane. And the T34 is one of the better looking WW2 tanks IMHO.

Scorpiomikey

I liked the IL-2. Now the IL-20 that was an ugly aircraft.

I have to agree with you on this one Scorpio Mike, that is an ugly looking plane for sure!  Looks like a bunch of parts left over from 5 different planes glued together!

Ken

Bockscar

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

My Mom is doing much better now.  Every day she says she feels better than the day before.  I have been spending a lot of time with her, making sure she is getting along okay.  Today is the first day I can feel I don't need to spend as much time watching her so close.  She will be seeing the surgeon tomorrow, and if he likes how she is doing, she will be able to move from only having clear liquids to having full liquids.  That will be a big improvement in her diet.

Well, I did it.  I purchased both kits.  The Italeri 1/72 X/YB-35 Flying Wing:

http://www.ipmsusa3.org/reviews2/aircraft/kits/italeri_72_xyb-35/italeri_72_xyb-35.htm 

and the Italeri 1/72 YB-49 Flying Wing:

http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/it/kit_it_1280.shtml 

I was so intrigued by the history behind these two aircraft that I just couldn't resist any more.  Plus I think they are very cool looking aircraft!

Ken

Ken,that is very good to hear, she came very close to the door Ken.

Congrats on those kits, I have the Jet version but pulled in my horns for the prop version.

Of course I still want it, but I'm "one kit over the line Sweet Jesus, one kit over the line....sittin' in my model room painting station, one kit over the line...."

Dom

That is funny!!   

Ken

Scorpiomikey

Dad came for dinner sunday night. Dropped an interesting project in my lap. Hes complaining that his hands are too big and clumsy to build the harness for one of his projects. Its out of a Whirlwind kit, but i think hes hising it on his typhoon.

i927.photobucket.com/.../2012-12-10213432.jpg

Im sorta kinda freaking out a little lol.

I would take it as a compliment Scorpio Mike!  I remember back when my Dad and I used to customize cars and trucks together.  He always did his own work and I did mine.  Then one day, he asked ME to do some custom work on one of his trucks "the same way you did yours".  I was beaming from ear to ear!

Ken

Striker8241

Guys,

I don't feel I'm contributing much here and it doesn't make much sense to maintain the same information on two threads anyway so I'm dropping off this one and will concentrate on my diorama thread. Please stop by when you have a chance. I'll be keeping an eye on this one as well.

Cheers,

Russ

Russ!!

Hold on there!  I love your stories, the information about the aircraft you have worked with, how in the world could you possibly say that you are not contributing much here?  If you are tired of double entry for this build and your other one, then just enter on your B-52 build.  I am (as I assume everybody else here is) already watching that build as well so I won't miss anything you post there.

Just post your B-52 on your other build and come here to hang out with friends!

Ken

Bockscar

Son Of Medicine Man

Hold on there Dom!

Am I interpreting this correctly?  Did you get demoted?  Is this a "re-organizing" action at your work from a result of laying some people off?

Ken

Yes Ken, demoted, as much as they had a troubled year as

to reduce my overall title and compensation. They could have let me go, but

given today's economy, they knew i would show up. they want me, they just don't want the rest of the story.

Hey,

I survived.

Dom

Wow Dom, I hope it was not too much reduction in pay.  Is it temporary?  Did they say they will re-instate your status when the company income picks up?  Or will you have to fight for it back?  Man, I feel really bad about that.  And what timing, just before Christmas.  Merry freakin Christmas.

I really hope things get better for you real soon my friend!

Ken

mikeymize

Just got done reading and catching up on the stuff that's accumulated since my last visit and I must say this is the best group of guys I've come across in my time on the forum. Not sure why but we seem to click on many different levels; (misery loves company)? LOL.  Wow, Gamera that is a beautiful Warhawk as well as the background. The weathering/dirt and grime are very well done! You should be very proud. On the subject of the Russians, I read somewhere that as the Soviets were "liberating" eastern Europe and so forth that when they came across POW camps with their own guys in them the NKVD treated them like traitors because they didn't escape. Apparently they had to endure some type of "reeducation" Amazing. Not sure if that's apocryphal but it certainly sounds like something they would do; institutional paranoia, I call it. Also has anyone else read the story about the American aircrew that had to divert to a Soviet airbase after a bombing mission in WWII and upon landing were detained by the Russkies? I understand they were subsequently released but not after some scary hours being interrogated.

Hi Mike M.

Thank you for saying that.  When I started chatting with you I thought you would fit right in here with us.  I am glad you feel that way.  I know we are all glad to have you!

Ken

Scorpiomikey

I liked the IL-2. Now the IL-20 that was an ugly aircraft.

Dom

I liked the IL-2. Now the IL-20 that was an ugly aircraft.

Dom.

I agree about some of their early aircraft.  The Stormovik was in no way shape or form a pretty aircraft.  And some of the other early designs made the same unfashion statement.    I personally liked the Tupolev bombers.  And also their civilian models.  Yeh, they were brutish, but they had a certain cleanness of line.  The fuselage shapes were a lot more involved and sleeker than most US bombers.  But if you want big and ugly, Think Andropov...  So we have a balance I guess.  Well need to get along and start masking the Fury for her bottom white coat.  And I have to find my extra can of glosscote.  Have a good night all.

Rich

Sparrowhyperion

Dom.  Are you kidding.  They had a heck of a design aesthetic.  You can't  tell me that Migs and later Sukhois weren't some of the most beautiful aircraft in the world.  Look at the lines of the Fulcrum.  Beautiful aircraft, and like you said, reliable at 60 below.  Sukhois too.   I just think they had to find a balance while handicapped by the idiots like Stalin who hated anything to do with flying, and having the KGB breathing down their necks 100% of the time.  I am amazed they could come out with designs as functional, reliable and just lain bad-a$$ looking, with all that sitting on their shoulders.

Any idea when your MIL will be home?  If I were you, I would get caught up on airbrushing before she comes home.  :)

Rich

Bockscar

Gamera

Dom: Sorry to hear that, at least you didn't lose your job. Nasty time around here, I was hoping things were better up there.

Rich: Funny, I bought a good quality camera about ten years ago and now my Droid phone takes much better photos! And there's a PhotoBucket app that allows me to upload the photos with just a few taps without even plugging the USB cable into my PC. I'd almost be tempted to go with a phone instead of a camera these days.

MikeM: Thanks!

I'm not sure about them being blamed for not escaping though that could very well be a part. The Soviets did consider most if not all POWs to be 'ideologically contaminated' though. That is their exposure to National Socialism meant they might be tempted to go with it rather than Communism. Always seemed funny to me, the N a z i s considered Slavic people like the Russians an inferior bloodline in their crackpot racial purity scheme and basically staved Russian prisoners to death. Why a Russian would want to adopt  N a z i s m  as a political view seemed crazy to me, Stalin was yes that paranoid though. So pretty much all POWs rescued by the Soviets went from a German POW camp to a Soviet death camp!

Well Cliff, WWII for a large part was a pilla' fight between different views of Socialism, but having said that, we should chat about it PM, as we don't want to get the Big Nuke....lol

The East vs West conflict sure gave us a lot of fantastic subjects, and defined a huge part of my life.

I like the Soviet subjects because they had absolutely 0, yes zero, appreciation for any kind of design aesthetic.......if it worked at 60 below zero, if it was simple, then that defined beauty for the soviets.

That Brute approach to aircraft makes their products so tangible.

any how, other than Sov's shooting down civilian aircraft, the record is still with us. You can't just blame pilot training, because aircraft are the sharp point of an overall system, and quite frankly, our systems were always better.

Dom

If you've ever talked with Russians, they will tell you that they invented beauty....lol

You have a point, but obviously before the MiG-21, most Russian aircraft were uglier than the boil

on Vlad's back country.

You are right, I think the SU's and just about everything out of the gate past the MiG 21 are pretty sleek.

But I don't suggest the lack of aesthetics of early Soviet aircraft as a pure insult. I find, as a  general point, the ugly functionalism of Soviet hardware has a beauty all it's own.

For instance, the MiG 19, or those Tupolev designs, pure ugly, and pure beauty as Brutes:

No flys on that Rich....lol....need a few around here, maybe next year.

Dom

Dom.  Are you kidding.  They had a heck of a design aesthetic.  You can't  tell me that Migs and later Sukhois weren't some of the most beautiful aircraft in the world.  Look at the lines of the Fulcrum.  Beautiful aircraft, and like you said, reliable at 60 below.  Sukhois too.   I just think they had to find a balance while handicapped by the idiots like Stalin who hated anything to do with flying, and having the KGB breathing down their necks 100% of the time.  I am amazed they could come out with designs as functional, reliable and just lain bad-a$$ looking, with all that sitting on their shoulders.

Any idea when your MIL will be home?  If I were you, I would get caught up on airbrushing before she comes home.  :)

Rich

Bockscar

Gamera

Dom: Sorry to hear that, at least you didn't lose your job. Nasty time around here, I was hoping things were better up there.

Rich: Funny, I bought a good quality camera about ten years ago and now my Droid phone takes much better photos! And there's a PhotoBucket app that allows me to upload the photos with just a few taps without even plugging the USB cable into my PC. I'd almost be tempted to go with a phone instead of a camera these days.

MikeM: Thanks!

I'm not sure about them being blamed for not escaping though that could very well be a part. The Soviets did consider most if not all POWs to be 'ideologically contaminated' though. That is their exposure to National Socialism meant they might be tempted to go with it rather than Communism. Always seemed funny to me, the N a z i s considered Slavic people like the Russians an inferior bloodline in their crackpot racial purity scheme and basically staved Russian prisoners to death. Why a Russian would want to adopt  N a z i s m  as a political view seemed crazy to me, Stalin was yes that paranoid though. So pretty much all POWs rescued by the Soviets went from a German POW camp to a Soviet death camp!

Well Cliff, WWII for a large part was a pilla' fight between different views of Socialism, but having said that, we should chat about it PM, as we don't want to get the Big Nuke....lol

The East vs West conflict sure gave us a lot of fantastic subjects, and defined a huge part of my life.

I like the Soviet subjects because they had absolutely 0, yes zero, appreciation for any kind of design aesthetic.......if it worked at 60 below zero, if it was simple, then that defined beauty for the soviets.

That Brute approach to aircraft makes their products so tangible.

any how, other than Sov's shooting down civilian aircraft, the record is still with us. You can't just blame pilot training, because aircraft are the sharp point of an overall system, and quite frankly, our systems were always better.

Dom

Russ.

Your contribution has been enormous, I realize you have to post stuff twice, but we will miss your direct input here for sure.

We were hoping we could make it worth your while to post with us, your diorama is such an ambitious and spirited build.

I'll be checking in to see that beautiful BUFF of yours to completion,

and Russ, we will miss your contributions over here for sure.

Dom

Scorpiomikey

Dad came for dinner sunday night. Dropped an interesting project in my lap. Hes complaining that his hands are too big and clumsy to build the harness for one of his projects. Its out of a Whirlwind kit, but i think hes hising it on his typhoon.

i927.photobucket.com/.../2012-12-10213432.jpg

Im sorta kinda freaking out a little lol.

Shissshhh I can't do that anymore.

Dom

Gamera

Dom: Sorry to hear that, at least you didn't lose your job. Nasty time around here, I was hoping things were better up there.

Rich: Funny, I bought a good quality camera about ten years ago and now my Droid phone takes much better photos! And there's a PhotoBucket app that allows me to upload the photos with just a few taps without even plugging the USB cable into my PC. I'd almost be tempted to go with a phone instead of a camera these days.

MikeM: Thanks!

I'm not sure about them being blamed for not escaping though that could very well be a part. The Soviets did consider most if not all POWs to be 'ideologically contaminated' though. That is their exposure to National Socialism meant they might be tempted to go with it rather than Communism. Always seemed funny to me, the N a z i s considered Slavic people like the Russians an inferior bloodline in their crackpot racial purity scheme and basically staved Russian prisoners to death. Why a Russian would want to adopt  N a z i s m  as a political view seemed crazy to me, Stalin was yes that paranoid though. So pretty much all POWs rescued by the Soviets went from a German POW camp to a Soviet death camp!

The East vs West conflict sure gave us a lot of fantastic subjects, and defined a huge part of my life.

I like the Soviet subjects because they had absolutely 0, yes zero, appreciation for any kind of design aesthetic.......if it worked at 60 below zero, if it was simple, then that defined beauty for the soviets.

That Brute approach to aircraft makes their products so tangible.

any how, other than Sov's shooting down civilian aircraft, the record is still with us. You can't just blame pilot training, because aircraft are the sharp point of an overall system, and quite frankly, our systems were always better.

Dom

Gamera

BTW: Believe it or not but I actually FINISHED something: more photos over on the aircraft forum under P-40 'Daddy Please, Milk Wagon Express'  if you'd like to see them.......

Congrats on finishing!....What is that, finishing stage, anyways........

Dom

Gamera

Jim: Odd, the kit must be OOP now, I'd guess you could probably find one on ebay etc though:

Revell kit:

My Hasegawa F-15'E':

Details of the Revell kit showing the conformal fuel tanks on the sides, the intake trunks (NE corner), and multipart afterburner cans (SE corner). 

Think I'm wrong on the speed brakes, I can't see any real difference in size. Revell on the left, Hasegawa on the right, the Revell looks slightly larger since they're overlapped and it's closer to the camera.

Upper fuselage

of both kits showing the speed brake- Hasegawa left, Revell right.

Dang, now I want to start on one of them...

Ken: Glad to hear your mothers doing better, hang in there. Cool purchases there, and can't blame you-  double your pleasure, double your fun!

Dom

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

My Mom is doing much better now.  Every day she says she feels better than the day before.  I have been spending a lot of time with her, making sure she is getting along okay.  Today is the first day I can feel I don't need to spend as much time watching her so close.  She will be seeing the surgeon tomorrow, and if he likes how she is doing, she will be able to move from only having clear liquids to having full liquids.  That will be a big improvement in her diet.

Well, I did it.  I purchased both kits.  The Italeri 1/72 X/YB-35 Flying Wing:

http://www.ipmsusa3.org/reviews2/aircraft/kits/italeri_72_xyb-35/italeri_72_xyb-35.htm 

and the Italeri 1/72 YB-49 Flying Wing:

http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/it/kit_it_1280.shtml 

I was so intrigued by the history behind these two aircraft that I just couldn't resist any more.  Plus I think they are very cool looking aircraft!

Ken

Congrats on those kits, I have the Jet version but pulled in my horns for the prop version.

Of course I still want it, but I'm "one kit over the line Sweet Jesus, one kit over the line....sittin' in my model room painting station, one kit over the line...."

Dom

jimbot58

Gamera

Dom: yeah good to hear she's coming around.

Jim: whoops, the Monogram F-15E is actually by Revell of Germany. Don't mean to be pushy, lol, but it a really .nice kit and supposed to be the most accurate, though the new Hasegawa may have it beat now.

What scale are we talking? I can only come up with a 1/144 scale in the RoG line.

Dom, have they figured out why the MOL collapsed to begin with? I know that they can be a handful when they are removed from their "comfort zone" no matter how ill they might be.

Her second husband passed away about 30 years ago Dec. 13., the depression, as Ken mentioned, and stooping too low probably cased her blood pressure to go way over 200. Apologies if I am answering this twice, I'm a little taxed right now.

Yes Jim, a real handful, started taking shots at me in the hospital a day ago, to which my wife said "that just shows she is on the mend."

Thanks for your concern,

Dom

Dad came for dinner sunday night. Dropped an interesting project in my lap. Hes complaining that his hands are too big and clumsy to build the harness for one of his projects. Its out of a Whirlwind kit, but i think hes hising it on his typhoon.

i927.photobucket.com/.../2012-12-10213432.jpg

Im sorta kinda freaking out a little lol.

Striker, sorry to hear that you're leaving us behind. It seems to me that the redundancy aspect is the thing; you've certainly contributed to this GB. Anyway I'll certainly check in on the diorama thread. Best of luck.

Gamera, I never could understand why Soviets or Germans would entertain the thought of "converting" either but I'm sure that for both nationalities it was far less about ideology and more about protecting your own countrymen. That and the alternative of not serving! I know that the Germans formed groups of Hilfswilliger or "Hiwis" during Barbarossa and had plenty of volunteers, mostly I suspect for the better treatment, food, etc. Also, initially, at least plenty of Russians in the border regions looked upon the Germans as a better alternative to Stalinism. Little did they know!

Guys,

I don't feel I'm contributing much here and it doesn't make much sense to maintain the same information on two threads anyway so I'm dropping off this one and will concentrate on my diorama thread. Please stop by when you have a chance. I'll be keeping an eye on this one as well.

Cheers,

Russ

Dom: Sorry to hear that, at least you didn't lose your job. Nasty time around here, I was hoping things were better up there.

Rich: Funny, I bought a good quality camera about ten years ago and now my Droid phone takes much better photos! And there's a PhotoBucket app that allows me to upload the photos with just a few taps without even plugging the USB cable into my PC. I'd almost be tempted to go with a phone instead of a camera these days.

MikeM: Thanks!

I'm not sure about them being blamed for not escaping though that could very well be a part. The Soviets did consider most if not all POWs to be 'ideologically contaminated' though. That is their exposure to National Socialism meant they might be tempted to go with it rather than Communism. Always seemed funny to me, the N a z i s considered Slavic people like the Russians an inferior bloodline in their crackpot racial purity scheme and basically staved Russian prisoners to death. Why a Russian would want to adopt  N a z i s m  as a political view seemed crazy to me, Stalin was yes that paranoid though. So pretty much all POWs rescued by the Soviets went from a German POW camp to a Soviet death camp!

Bockscar

Oh Man Russ, You've got GUTTS!

That is beautiful, what an innovative solution!!

Too bad you didn't go into surgery pal,

might need a guy like you in a few years.

dom

Thanks, Dom!  Be careful what you wish for, bud - anything I couldn't put back with super glue, we both would be in trouble

Russ

Mizer:

You are beginning to sound as though you may need some reeducation yourself......

Hmmmm....what have you done lately to ensure comrade Vlad's escalation of power in

the US?....nothing....nothing.....comrade Mizer.....

some time soon.....

you will hear the knock on the door......

comrade........

LOL

Son Of Medicine Man

Bockscar

Guys,

I am trying, but I can no longer keep up.

New assignments at work, lower income.

Please forgive me if I scroootch up,

Dom

Hold on there Dom!

Am I interpreting this correctly?  Did you get demoted?  Is this a "re-organizing" action at your work from a result of laying some people off?

Ken

to reduce my overall title and compensation. They could have let me go, but

given today's economy, they knew i would show up. they want me, they just don't want the rest of the story.

Hey,

I survived.

Dom

Just got done reading and catching up on the stuff that's accumulated since my last visit and I must say this is the best group of guys I've come across in my time on the forum. Not sure why but we seem to click on many different levels; (misery loves company)? LOL.  Wow, Gamera that is a beautiful Warhawk as well as the background. The weathering/dirt and grime are very well done! You should be very proud. On the subject of the Russians, I read somewhere that as the Soviets were "liberating" eastern Europe and so forth that when they came across POW camps with their own guys in them the NKVD treated them like traitors because they didn't escape. Apparently they had to endure some type of "reeducation" Amazing. Not sure if that's apocryphal but it certainly sounds like something they would do; institutional paranoia, I call it. Also has anyone else read the story about the American aircrew that had to divert to a Soviet airbase after a bombing mission in WWII and upon landing were detained by the Russkies? I understand they were subsequently released but not after some scary hours being interrogated.

Hi Rich,

I didn't mean to infer that your camera was cheap.  I just meant that I hope you find a replacement at a good price.   

Ken