First Annual Berny Memorial Group Build

Gamera

Sparrowhyperion

The Buff is a lot like the B17.  They could both absorb an enormous amount of damage and still get their crews home safely.  I wonder what happened to this one...  Midair Collision?

Rich

Bockscar

Ever use the rear landing gear when your vertical stabilizer is AWOL????

Why I love the BUFF:

Ya know, some days that's what I feel like... 

Russ: I've seen plenty of aircraft with the stressed skin but don't think I've seen anyone try to model it before- nice work, looking forward to seeing how it looks all painted up.

Mike: Hey, she's not the best looking AH-64 I've ever seen but she ain't that bad! Nice work! 

I had a bad day or two myself, here's a real

bad day at the office. It wasn't the BUFF's fault:

Here's the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress

There's a video of that too, but it'll make you sick to watch it. The Buff was full up with fuel.

Gamera

Russ: I've seen plenty of aircraft with the stressed skin but don't think I've seen anyone try to model it before- nice work, looking forward to seeing how it looks all painted up.

Thanks, Gam, so am I . I've seen several models with some wrinkling shown but I think mine may be the first to cover virtually the whole fuselage. Hopefully, I haven't gone too far...

Bockscar

Gamera

Sparrowhyperion

The Buff is a lot like the B17.  They could both absorb an enormous amount of damage and still get their crews home safely.  I wonder what happened to this one...  Midair Collision?

Rich

Bockscar

Ever use the rear landing gear when your vertical stabilizer is AWOL????

Why I love the BUFF:

Ya know, some days that's what I feel like... 

Russ: I've seen plenty of aircraft with the stressed skin but don't think I've seen anyone try to model it before- nice work, looking forward to seeing how it looks all painted up.

Mike: Hey, she's not the best looking AH-64 I've ever seen but she ain't that bad! Nice work! 

Yeah Cliff:

I had a bad day or two myself, here's a real

bad day at the office. It wasn't the BUFF's fault:

Here's the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress

There's a video of that too, but it'll make you sick to watch it. The Buff was full up with fuel.

I watched that video several times.  There is another video that has more of the flying done by this pilot.  There was a lot of criticism about him but I feel sorry for the guy.  In a way he reminds me of myself.  In my younger years I was just as crazy with the high horsepower cars that I drove.  I could just see myself doing the same thing with a B-52 if given half a chance.  He really did some outrageous maneuvers with that aircraft!

What caused this crash was complicated.  First of all the pilot was practicing for an air show.  Right before this crash, the pilot had originally planned on doing a touch and go but at the last second was waved off by the tower because of another aircraft on the runway.  During all that of course the pilot had reduced the air speed.  As the pilot retracted the landing gear and started pulling back up, he asked for permission to perform a 180 degree turn around the tower which he was given permission.  Now whether he forgot or because of the last second decision, he apparently didn't take into account the proximity of a "no fly zone" inside the radius of his turn until he had already commited the turn.

What happened next was a poor choice.  He tried to take the already slow moving B-52 into a tighter turn to avoid the "no fly zone" instead of just proceeding through it.  This took the remaining air speed that the B-52 needed to stay airborne.

If you look carefully in that photograph you can see the ejection hatch cover next to the tail fin that the co-pilot had blown in an attempt to eject.  No one survived the crash.  Very sad.

Ken

Ken:

i saw that crash video, and i can't watch it again.

I'm relieved to know the guy wasn't just hot-sticking,

thanks for that info.

A very sad end to a great pilot and crew.

-Dom

All the stories i had heard were that the pilot had been flying them for quite some time (long enough to work the p and v out of his veins anyway) And most crews were reluctant to work with him. I dunno if thats just scuttlebutt, but thats what ive heard.

Scorpiomikey

All the stories i had heard were that the pilot had been flying them for quite some time (long enough to work the p and v out of his veins anyway) And most crews were reluctant to work with him. I dunno if thats just scuttlebutt, but thats what ive heard.

Yes, the pilot had been verbally reprimanded on several occasions.  In fact that was one of the findings in the investigation that he should have been more severely punished prior to the accident.  But like I said, I still see a lot of myself in him.

Ken

Ken:

You and Steve McQueen.

maybe he was great pilot, but never understood the

exponential curve. If everything had been linear that day,

maybe he would have pulled it off. Wings do not lose lift

in a bank in a linear way, it is a a sharp exponential

loss of lift.

Maybe he underestimated the amount he

needed to throttle up before the bank.

maybe he was flying a Sukhoi aerobatic plane the day before,

and underestimated the BUFF's reaction time.

maybe he was actually just trying to do everything by the book,

not violate the 'no-fly',

and didn't listen to his inner Steve McQueen.

It's all moot now.

Race car driver stuck behind the wheel of a big rig.

Ive seen that video a few times, and im sure he had those throttles firewalled. simple fact of the matter was, he made a mistake.

Scorpiomikey

Race car driver stuck behind the wheel of a big rig.

Ive seen that video a few times, and im sure he had those throttles firewalled. simple fact of the matter was, he made a mistake.

That is exactly how I look at it too.  Nobody is perfect and it is easy to criticize anybody for making a mistake.  It was just unfortunate that this one caused fatalities.  But he did some amazing things with that aircraft in the many years prior!

Ken

Sometimes on a warm day,

you hit a pocket of really low density air.

Mikey,

Yesterday I passed my big-rig exam, I am

still a card-carrying honkin' tractor AZ driver.....lol

but I wil never forget my first Chevy 427 4-barrel, Muncie,

Posi-Track, Ford-Waster....

errr....Ken....errr......you hear that......lol

Bockscar

Mikey,

Yesterday I passed my big-rig exam, I am

still a card-carrying honkin' tractor AZ driver.....lol

but I wil never forget my first Chevy 427 4-barrel, Muncie,

Posi-Track, Ford-Waster....

errr....Ken....errr......you hear that......lol

  You still make me laugh Dom!!

Ken;

I was always a Pony-Car fan....lol

Congrats man!  I know you were stewing over that test..  I just hope my insurance premiums don't go up.. lol

Hey, I got a call from my Nephew today.  He's working on one of the kits I sent him.  Now ships aren't my usual gig, so I'm kind of a fish out of water here.  Could someone tell me what gray FS number or color you generally paint a battleship.  He has a Turpitz and an Arizona he's working on andn he can't find an accurate answer.  He said the callouts in the instructions just don't look right.

On topic.  I am going to start another kit for this build soon, I just can't figure out what one.  I suppose I could finish the FGR.2 I started in the Phinomania build last year.

Have a good night. 

Rich

Bockscar

Mikey,

Yesterday I passed my big-rig exam, I am

still a card-carrying honkin' tractor AZ driver.....lol

but I wil never forget my first Chevy 427 4-barrel, Muncie,

Posi-Track, Ford-Waster....

errr....Ken....errr......you hear that......lol

Sparrowhyperion

Congrats man!  I know you were stewing over that test..  I just hope my insurance premiums don't go up.. lol

Hey, I got a call from my Nephew today.  He's working on one of the kits I sent him.  Now ships aren't my usual gig, so I'm kind of a fish out of water here.  Could someone tell me what gray FS number or color you generally paint a battleship.  He has a Turpitz and an Arizona he's working on andn he can't find an accurate answer.  He said the callouts in the instructions just don't look right.

On topic.  I am going to start another kit for this build soon, I just can't figure out what one.  I suppose I could finish the FGR.2 I started in the Phinomania build last year.

Have a good night. 

Rich

Bockscar

Mikey,

Yesterday I passed my big-rig exam, I am

still a card-carrying honkin' tractor AZ driver.....lol

but I wil never forget my first Chevy 427 4-barrel, Muncie,

Posi-Track, Ford-Waster....

errr....Ken....errr......you hear that......lol

The thing is, the colour of a battleship at any given time was as much a function of the colour of the sea it was sailing in, the colour of the sky and lighting conditions, and from how far away it was being viewed.

Also, every country had their own idea of what grey was, some battleships are very dark almost charcoal, others very light, and then there's the camo and Trompe-l'œil schemes

Shissh, Testors has a number of greys that fit the bill.

My favourite, a bit on the blue tone scale, is Testors Aggressor Grey, FS36251.

From there you can go a shade darker, a shade lighter, a slight tone redder, a slight tone bluer.

Bismarck was sunk on a mundane day in the Atlantic way off the coast of France in mundane weather.

I would not obsess, start with an Aggressor Grey and build on that.

-Dom

Hey, I passed my tractor-trailer-semi-big-rig-34-wheeler-truck exam,

so to celebrate tractors, and the fact that i passed the Air-Brake or 'Z' section of the exam,

I bought a 1/32 Trumpeter kit of a famous Soviet

Collective Farm Tractor, you know, the Soviets went green (sn*t green, to be exact) big-time before

the smiley-faced-enviro-mental good people here (sn*t) did,,,,lol, gotta love 'em.....lol,,,,

(here's a warm wash cloth, don't eat that, wipe your nose instead, and scrub up the back of those ears....they look dry.....lol)

here it is, lol:

Yes, I bought a MIG-17 for 28 bucks, Trumpeter, from China no less (that included shipping, ahhhem).

That thing is uglier than my Rig License ID photo.

Too bad it shot down so many F-4's, but heck, look at the

non-missile ordnance the thing carried. GUNS. ARTILLERY. Given Johnson's "let's be nice"

'eye-ball verification' policy, you can see why a sub-sonic cannon equipped farm-tractor could wipe out

so many advanced machines and crews, the dragsters were losing until guys like John Boyd

and Harry Hilaker straightened  the McNamara 'missile boys' out. Death and defeat used to count in war, not like today! ---gotta be nice.......nice counts......lol....

Seeing as I was programmed enviro-mental as a kid and young adult, i figure that

investing in Chinese styrene is a good, errr, investment.....

as it makes me very smiley-faced- great kit. I need more.

Yeah, thank the Fabian Brits who sold the Soviets such a nice engine to power that captured German scientist's design!

But it is so ugly it's beautiful.

How does that work?

Well, you can't use a dragster to plow a wheat field.

would someone tell Bob McNamara that?....lol....Too late

Rumor has it he invested in MIG....shhhhhh

and he spent all his time goosing the stocks!

Well, the stocks and Jane Fonda.....one day you're up

and one day you're down......lol.......Bob positively leaked goose down.

Guys, that's my 'cracked' worth for the next two weeks.

I'll be rare until things straighten out around 13th,

what with Thanksgiving up here and all.

Dom

Photo Credit:

http://www.airforce.ru/aircraft/mikoyan/mig-17/index.htm

Bockscar

But it is so ugly it's beautiful.

How does that work?

I suspect it has a certain beauty because it was so lethal, Dom. If it had been a clunker in combat, you would see a squat, ugly failure and not give it further thought - and probably not waste your money on a model .

Russ

Russ, you are right,

it was lethal, and worthy of respect.

I make fun of it because that part is easy,

they did it to us as well.

Defeating the MIGs was hard - and no laughing matter, as you suggest, life and death.

I have nothing but admiration for the plane and the guys that flew it.

The system that evolved them and their aircraft, that's

the part that is really lethal. It has infected everything. It's not

a lethal aircraft anymore, its all dressed up like 'save the world'. Ahem,

That's about as much as I can say so we don't get nuked.

Looking forward to seeing it show up.

i still wonder how they get that whole kit here

for $28 total.

I wish I had the real thing parked out back,

right beside my Sabre......

Hi Dom,

Sorry that I didn't congratulate you on passing your exam earlier.  I didn't realize it was a big deal.  Congratulations!!    I celebrate with you on your success!

Ken

Hey, roger that, Dom. Congratulations on passing your exam!   

Hi Everyone,

Well believe it or not I am finally getting back to work on modeling.  The first step though is to clear off my workbench.  It has become a collecting spot for things that I did not know where else to put stuff.  Consequently, it will take a few evenings to get it cleared off.  But at least I have started on it.

On another note, my Mom finally found out about her heart.  It seems that the valve in her left ventrical is not working correctly and hence the reason for her enlarged heart.  Apparently that is not enough concern to not do the surgery on her para-esophageal hernia.  She will see the surgeon tomorrow to discuss that.

Ken

Great news, Ken! Anything that avoids surgery is good!

- ahh wait...maybe I misread that...apparently they're thinking about doing the hernia surgery?

Russ

Hi Dom  I know about the effects of sea and sky on how they looked.  I was wondering  if there was an official Navy FS number they used prior to WWII when the Arizona was in service.  I was suggesting  Light Sea Gray for the Turpitz.  I wish I could just send him cans but it's a pain in the butt when you have to send paint cans (hazardous material).  I hope he has an easy time picking up the paint I recommend.  I know there is a MM Navy Gray, but I have never had the opportunity to use it, so I wasn't sure if it would fit.  I did find a couple of references, but they list 5 colors, each with a very different FS number and RGB values.  I have been aboard the Massachusetts when I was a kid, but that was a very long time ago.  Hey I have an idea.......  Google Maps!!!  I can get an areal shot of her or just find a well lit image online and use my color picker... Thanks Dom.  Your inspiration is, as always, great.

Rich

That's great news!  I'm glad they figured out what was causing it.  Keep us posted and all best wishes for her full recovery.

Rich

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Well believe it or not I am finally getting back to work on modeling.  The first step though is to clear off my workbench.  It has become a collecting spot for things that I did not know where else to put stuff.  Consequently, it will take a few evenings to get it cleared off.  But at least I have started on it.

On another note, my Mom finally found out about her heart.  It seems that the valve in her left ventrical is not working correctly and hence the reason for her enlarged heart.  Apparently that is not enough concern to not do the surgery on her para-esophageal hernia.  She will see the surgeon tomorrow to discuss that.

Ken

Sparrowhyperion

Hi Dom  I know about the effects of sea and sky on how they looked.  I was wondering  if there was an official Navy FS number they used prior to WWII when the Arizona was in service.  I was suggesting  Light Sea Gray for the Turpitz.  I wish I could just send him cans but it's a pain in the butt when you have to send paint cans (hazardous material).  I hope he has an easy time picking up the paint I recommend.  I know there is a MM Navy Gray, but I have never had the opportunity to use it, so I wasn't sure if it would fit.  I did find a couple of references, but they list 5 colors, each with a very different FS number and RGB values.  I have been aboard the Massachusetts when I was a kid, but that was a very long time ago.  Hey I have an idea.......  Google Maps!!!  I can get an areal shot of her or just find a well lit image online and use my color picker... Thanks Dom.  Your inspiration is, as always, great.

Rich

Rich;

Ask Rex, Tarnship, or OldTanker builder, he's into ships.

I almost forgot:

"You can never finish painting a battleship...."

Rich; thanks for the compliment about inspiration, I

appreciate that.

-Dom

Ken:

Well, that's a small blessing anyways. I wish your mom and yourself

all the best through this ordeal.

I hear you on the work bench clutter issue. I think Rich is a champion

when it comes to stratified work-bench material. I thought I had him beat,

but no, he stole my crown!....lol

I too must clean the tabula back to raza in order to get back to work.

Man good light really helps, absolutely critical to get started.

I saw that beautiful 1/32 F-4 that is in FSM.

My F-4P will never look like that, but it will look like an F-4.

The article gave me an idea to thin out the turkey feathers.

Sometimes I see those pro builds, and all I want to do

is go back to collecting!.....lol

If you are going with your mom to the surgeon,

make sure to take notes, you are now her medical advocate.

Best of luck Ken!

Dom

Guys,

Many thanks for the kudos on passing my tractor exam.

I was sitting in the exam room waiting for my results,

and that's when I got panicky.

It was three tests, truck knowledge and rules;

air-brake; and road signs.

If you fail one section, you fail the whole exam,

and your license is cancelled on the spot.

That means going through the driver's written exam,

a road test, then graduated licensing for months,

then reapplying for the tractor written exam,

then the tractor road test.

As I was waiting, I was wondering how I was going to

pay the cab fare home.......aaarrrfff

Scorpiomikey

Right, im sick of this thing.

Im calling it done even though its missing its weapons and some handles/service steps.

The kit itself is terrible. But it only cost me another kit that i wasnt going to build anyway (Thank you CallsignOWL)

That is one angry looking bird.

Yeah, give it a rest for now, but weapon her up good when fall comes.

Hide her away, then bring her back, she looks great from here!

Dom

Thanks for the comments.

Ill get it sorted eventually, but right now everything is being packed into storage. We have been given 4 weeks notice to vacate the property for emergency earthquake repairs. 5 weeks in a hotel, then we have to move all our stuff back in. yay.

Scorpiomikey

Thanks for the comments.

Ill get it sorted eventually, but right now everything is being packed into storage. We have been given 4 weeks notice to vacate the property for emergency earthquake repairs. 5 weeks in a hotel, then we have to move all our stuff back in. yay.

Up here in Canada,

we suffer farthquakes, from the dithering, lying, state media, whom are paid in farthings.

If they say something, you know the opposite is true.

The only thing we need to put in storage is our own common sense.

Yeah, they've been repairing the damage from their own

farthquakes for years......it never ends....I swear they go

around the country, sniffing farths, just to perdict were the next

farth eruption will happen, so they can convert a farth into a farthing.

I have to get news from Europe about North America to know what is really

happening, outside the farthquake zone......lol

Listen, Mike, good luck with the move, I moved over 12 times before I was 18.

That taught me a real lesson about adaptability.

As the geologists say, "shist happens", and that, and a farthing,

will buy you a used coffee stir stick off the sidewalk.

Best