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Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

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Posted by JOE RIX on Saturday, January 18, 2014 12:31 PM

Joe, The iso treatment turned out great. Very nice effect. I'm sure the Eduard landing gear is a vast improvement over the stock Tamiya ones. Overall she is shaping up beautifully. You have done some tremendous work on this one Joe.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:03 AM

Ok guys................................................she's got legs now!!!

These struts, doors and brake lines all came from the Eduard Royal Class kit and look alot better than what the Tamiya parts would have!!

and another angle:

 

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, January 18, 2014 9:57 AM

Thanks Eric and handi!! Just to see it sitting there with a final coat of paint on it allows me to exhale and relax a little bit . That was one of the more tedious paint jobs to complete for me.

                   

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Posted by handiabled on Saturday, January 18, 2014 7:15 AM

Looking great guys!  Can't wait to rip the boxes open and get cracking on this one!

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Posted by Jester75 on Saturday, January 18, 2014 6:49 AM

Looks great Joe, that dullcoat mix toned it down just right!

Eric

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, January 18, 2014 6:47 AM

Doug, Clemens and Joe Rix:Thank you all for the atta boy. Yes this is my first time working with the bare metal foil and I used about a half of a sheet in practice and re-tries before I finally got an application I could stick with (no pun intended!!). Oh yeah you guys can blame me if you want. You all love building 190's and you know it! lol

For the latest photo shoot here I have to recap a bit to properly show a before and after pic of the paint progress. The first is before the dull coat mixed with 70% ISO and about 2 or 3 drops of gray for that sun bleached effect.

Here's before:

and here's after:

and another viewpoint:

 It really dampened the camo effect in a good way. Looks like its off to the landing gear guys!

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Friday, January 17, 2014 6:27 PM

I believe I did way back when I only had a single 190s on my bench... I can't say for sure though (it's hard to remember things like that once you are nuts)

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Posted by JOE RIX on Friday, January 17, 2014 6:24 PM

Joe: Magnificent work with the foil. That looks great.

Clemens: When, in the wide wide world of sports , did you ever claim to be sane in the first place?

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Friday, January 17, 2014 5:13 PM

Joe: Magnificent work, buddy! a few of my 190s (I think 3 of them) have NMF panels as well. I still have to decide wheter to get some bare metal foil or to put my Alclad collection to use here. Your awesome foiling job makes that decision even harder. I'll probably do both to give me an excuse to visit my LHS for the BMF and buy a few more 190s while I'm at it... At least I don't claim to be sane anymore... Stick out tongue

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Posted by Rigidrider on Friday, January 17, 2014 5:03 PM

Joe... Is this your first work with foil? Doesn't look like it. Looks like your an old pro at it. I love the foil for NMF, and I'm sure you know it comes in various shades right? (HA) Just what we all need more model stuff to spend money on! LOL

Clemens, Falcon, Ditto!

My stash has grown alot since starting to build here a couple years ago. And I blame Joe too! LOL... Still say there isnt a better bunch to build with!

Doug

When Life Hands You A Bucket Of Lemons...

Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, January 17, 2014 4:19 PM

err...........that'll be after the additional gloss coat first!

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, January 17, 2014 4:15 PM

falconmod

This has been the best thing in modeling I've ever been invloved in, I look forward every day to what new posts will be out there.

John

That sir, is a mutual feeling! Every day somebody posts something worth remembering on here it seems.

This is the latest. Got the decals on the bottom and ready for a light wash to bring out the panel lines and then a dull coat.

                   

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Posted by falconmod on Friday, January 17, 2014 8:05 AM

SchattenSpartan

I'm blaming you guys for my 190 addiction! Especially you, Joe! This GB one of the best group builds, if not the best, on this site. Thanks for being such a great host and awesome guy to build models with! (the latter goes to all of you)

Cheers, Clemens

I'm not sure who to blame Surprise but I know without this GB I would have never improved my modeling skills the way I have,  or increased my stash count. Whistling 

I almost bought the Hasegawa 1/72  combo 190 set that had one of the planes the snake head squadron last week at my LHS but I haven't pulled the trigger on that one yet.

This has been the best thing in modeling I've ever been invloved in, I look forward every day to what new posts will be out there.

John

On the Bench: 1/72 Ki-67, 1/48 T-38

1/144 AC-130, 1/72 AV-8A Harrier

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, January 17, 2014 4:48 AM

Todays update comes in the form of the NMF finish on the bottom of the wings. I've done the best I could with the references I had (to include Nathan T's last build) and have altered a couple of things but the general layout and application is coming along fairly well in my opinion. First we have the port wing:

and then the starboard wing:

Thanks again Nathan for the reference.

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:13 PM

Well thanks Clemens. I will give credit to where its due though. It's really all you guys that keep this thing going. I'm merely the host and will say because of all you guys that this GB has got to be one of the most successful builds I have seen on here. When I started this all I expected to run the course of a year and hopefully have 15 participants and run about the usual 1200 or so posts. Well now we are at around 4500 posts , over 300 pages and around 50 participants and still going strong so I thank all of YOU for making this all what it is guys. Thanks a mil..you guys are da bomb!! 

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:43 PM

I'm blaming you guys for my 190 addiction! Especially you, Joe! This GB one of the best group builds, if not the best, on this site. Thanks for being such a great host and awesome guy to build models with! (the latter goes to all of you)

Cheers, Clemens

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:37 PM

Hey guys, does anyone of you have any experience with Hasegawa's Fw 190 A-8 (1/32)? I just picked it up at ebay for a pretty darn good price: 43€ including shipping. Heck, it's even cheaper than their 1/48 190s Big Smile Normal retail price here would be 70€...

I'm thinking of getting some Eduard PE for the flaps and wheel wells and this awesome cockpit set. Maybe I'll even convert her to an A-8 and paint her in my favorite 190 scheme (Black 13, standard camo with field-mixed dark green overspray):

 

 

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Posted by falconmod on Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:41 AM

No pictures today on the update for my 1/72 snakehead Fw190, but I got it dull coated so I can start to weather it, I also got the wheels and doors painted.  tonight  I'll mask the canopy and start shooting some  exhaust weathering.

John

On the Bench: 1/72 Ki-67, 1/48 T-38

1/144 AC-130, 1/72 AV-8A Harrier

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:14 AM

JJ: I completely agree with you. It's great to have all that info in here. The Eduard kits are great models, but they have a scaring amount of small parts and some minor fit issues that keep some modellers from building them.

Blackdog: They are very similar. There is no engine, so some of the fit issues occuring with that subassembly are missing, but the different nose assembly causes some minor problems on it's own.

Joe: Thank you. Persistance is the only real solution to all the "issues" with the duard kits. They fit well, but it takes time to get there...

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Posted by jugjunkie on Thursday, January 16, 2014 3:39 AM

Great thing about us doing builds of the same is that we pick up the common problems and highlight what needs to be done, so eventually if anybody wants to build an Eduard 190, they don't have to be afraid - just read through all the fabulous information here and all the problems go away!

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Posted by Nathan T on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:44 PM

blackdog62

Thank you guys for the info on the Edward kits ill remember them for mine. Just wondering do there 190d have the same fit issue as the 190a-8 ?

...Yes...

 

 

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Posted by blackdog62 on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:22 PM

Thank you guys for the info on the Edward kits ill remember them for mine. Just wondering do there 190d have the same fit issue as the 190a-8 ?

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Posted by JOE RIX on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 8:51 PM

Clemens, Nice persistence to achieve some excellent results.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:44 PM

Nathan: Yeah, I didn't use them. I'll use them on the 190 is robbed the replacement plastic covers from though. The only problem with this method is that it leaves a tiny step at one edge, but that area is so small that it's not really noticeable... That's the only thing the Quickboost set prevents. It's really not worth the money if you don't happen to need additional gun covers like I did.

Eric: The Quickboost covers work as well as the Eduard parts but they are a tad easier to install. It's a great idea Quickboost came up with in this case, but it's just so easy to do yourself with a sanding stick and a bit of patience... Like I said already: The only reason I bought them was the fact that I destroyed one of my plastic covers, so I needed to find a replacement.

I just love how well everything's working ou right now. All the problem areas are no problem areas anymore after a little bit of special attention Wink

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Posted by Jester75 on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:35 PM

Clemens, those look great!! I will definitely try this on my next 190. I saw those Quickboost covers and wondered how well they worked.

Eric

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:34 PM

So you didn't use the Quickboost covers? I too don't cut out like Eduard tells you if you want the covers closed. Just sand the heck out of the bottom like you did. I don't even add the gun bays to the inside of top wing. No need if you are closing thins up.

 

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:51 PM

Another shot of the left panel to show how well it fits the wing:

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:43 PM

Hey Joe, I have an idea: How about asking the guys at FSM about including pics of all the great builds here in the magazine? I really think the great work posted in this GB deserves getting some extra attention (and they included some pics of the WW1 aircraft GB in the current issue as well...

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:37 PM

I know this was supposed to be a short update, but i couldn't help it and just wrote another XL-post... Please bear with me, I jsut tend to overdo it a bit with all the explanations and pics...

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:35 PM

I have a very short update, but this one step changed a lot regarding my Eduard 190s!

First things first: I got my Qusickboost gun access panels today:

There's nothing special about them at all. They are basically a resin copy of the kit parts with some minor modifications: They have no detailed bottom and are very thin at the rear end to make them fit the wings without surgery. Anothe "modification" is the size. The resin parts a just a tiny bit smaller than the kit parts (probably because of the resin shrinking as it dries)

Comparison with the kit part:

I'd never thought about ordering them if I hadn't destroyed one of my plastic parts by accident. I can't use them on my A-8/R2 either because they require different gun bay inserts on the wings - those without detail and that "spacer" to glue the hatches on (Eduard's A-8/R2 is their only kit with the instructions not mentioning this Bang Head) I simply robbed the plastic hatches from my 2nd A-8/R2 kit and I'll use the resin parts on that one (the gun bays are not in place on that one yet, so the AM parts will fit)

I'm writing way too much again... Zip it!

Now to the real update:

I FOUND THE SOLUTION!!!!

And with solution I meant the proper way of installing the gun covers. Eduard tells you to cut out a part of the wing to fit them. I simply ignored that step and came up with something different: I looked at the Quickboost parts and had an idea. All you have to do to get the hatches to fit without major surgery is to sand down ALL the surface detail of the gun hatch bottoms. jsut try to get them as thin as possible and they should fit the wing without any issues.

Before:

After:

The wing WITHOUT surgery (i originally planned on leaving this hatch open, but the wing was badly molded, so i had to "fix" it with a few layers of plastic sheet):

Gun cover in place. It fits almost perfectly with only a slight gap at the front edge (a very thin plastic strip should do the trick here):

You might notice the rather large step at the rear end of the wing root. This is caused by me sanding away a raised panel in this area while repairing the wing. I'll add that panel again after glueing the fuselage and wings together, so the step will disappear.

And the other side (I followed the Eduard instructions on this side):

Thae dark edge around the cover is no gap, just some paint remnants.

I hope this is of any help to those building an Eduard 190.

Cheers, Clemens 

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