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Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

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Posted by Jester75 on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 6:50 PM

That makes complete sense Clemens and also explains why that mg cowl is always too narrow and has to be stretched due to the wider fuse below it.

Eric

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 6:36 PM

Eric: I just checked on one of my 190s and that really seems to be the problem you have to remove 0.5mm or something like that on each side to make everything fit. I'll post some pics this weekend at the latest...

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Posted by Jester75 on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 6:30 PM

I honestly believe that the very front lower part of the Eduard pit floor that slides into the slot inside the fuse halves is too wide and that is what causes this gap in that firewall. On my next build, I will make sure to check and maybe do some sanding in this area and see if that firewal fits any better

Eric

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 6:19 PM

Thanks for that info, Joe! You told me already way back when I joined this GB with my 1st (and back then only) 190 kit though. Wink

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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 6:15 PM

Hey Clemens. Refer back a couple of pages to find out the reason for alot of the fit issues. I found out the hard way. Detail or no detail, these are precision fit kits at the firewall/ cockpit area.

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 5:52 PM

Damnit guys, stop posting so much! I had some issues with my internet connection (hence my unusual lack of posts), but I got things sorted out now. There's a lot to catch up with, but I had a brief look at everything and you are all doing some gret work!

Greg: That's the only downside of the Eduard kits. There's such a huge amount of details on the inside that things simply won't fit if you get one of those many pieces misaligned by a little bit. I'm sure you'll find a way to fix that mishap though!

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 3:25 PM

Oh my, Joe! Mine isn't warpage, just rookie mistakes. :)

Thanks for the boiling water/rag idea, we shall see what happens. Mainly I don't want to ruin this build, as the kit was a gift and that would make me feel badly.

Forgot to say thanks for posting the post-wash pics, thanks! Looks great! An A+ for persistence with the spinner decal, mate.

I keep wanting to order some Mig wash, but the colors I want seem to be perpetually out of stock.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:45 PM

Look on the bright side buddy Greg. Those that watched me build mine know about the warping issues that I had. Note to self:"Never leave your stash out in the garage in South Texas". Yours could have turned out like this:

It's a true wonder that my build came out even half as good as it did!! LOL

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:35 PM

Something just came to mind for me. I had stoopid gaps worse than what you have here but I "muscled em into place and used super glue to hold the fuselage to the point you are describing at point "A". Looking back I would have done the following: What if you boiled some water and stuck a smooth cloth in the water to soak up the water and applied the cloth to the warped part here (in this case the windscreen part of the fuselage) and applied pressure. Of course you would have to insulate your hand to keep from getting burned. Hold the pressure for about 10 seconds to form the affected area to the bulkhead at point " A". Just an idea. I use boiling water all the time for warped parts and dip the parts for about 3 seconds but due to the fact that you are somewhat assembled here I would use the smooth cloth dipped in boiling water approach. Then glue the two pieces together once you have the contact you desire. Again, just an idea.

                   

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Posted by Chanter on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:30 PM

Happy New Year everyone.

Greg: That's a shame that you're running into some grief, but I'm sure that the Eduard guys around here will be able to help.  I know you'll get it sorted and churn out a stunner!  Soldier on.

Allen

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:22 PM

And Happy New Year to you, Joe. And to everyone. I also hope you get more bench time in 2014.

Well gents, I've had my first Eduard stomach dropping event. Keep in mind this is my first Eduard build.

After spending the better part of a a week test fitting and trying to follow the instructions that Mustang Joe so graciously supplied back on pg 278, I still managed to screw up the fit. Basically, I managed to get the tub a bit too far forward in spite of being told not to, and I think I got the top portion of the instrument panel off center just enough to cause the gap at "A". (I think). Did manage to get the bulkhead angles right though. :)

What baffles me is prior to joining the fuselage halves, I ensured that the windscreen fit, that the closed one piece weps bay cover (I think that's what it is?) fit, and surfaces 'B" mated with the bottom fuselage / wing part. If the gap wasn't there, the top cover wouldn't fit right.

I've decided to proceed with the closed top cover and move forward. Just asking for whatever input you Eduard 190 experts might have. I Don't reckon this will be my last boo boo on this one.

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Posted by JOE RIX on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 9:48 AM

Happy New Year Gentlemen!!!! I am certainly looking forward to starting my new year working on the very same FW 190 that I started last year withTongue Tied. I really hope the new year blesses me with more bench time.

Joe and JJ, Nice work guys.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 8:56 AM

Ye, something like that. Something to think about before next time.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 7:12 AM

Maybe drill a hole into the nose piece and into the wood and hook em up with a toothpick as a dowel or something like that. Is that along the lines of your thoughts?

                   

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 7:02 AM

Right, I thought it might be that but wasn't sure. The resin engines I have used so far don't have prop shafts, so wasn't sure if your has as well. But I am sure I can rig something up.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 6:59 AM

I guess I did miss that. I drilled a hole in the side of the wood about the size of the prop shaft and just simply inserted the shaft into the hole and rotated the engine as if it were on an engine stand.

                   

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 6:56 AM

Happy New years guys. I am sure this one will be as good, or better, than the one just gone, with lots of amazing models.

Joe, I think you might have missed an earlier post. How is that engine secured to that block of wood. I like that idea for painting.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 12:32 AM

jugjunkie:Man you are tearin' it up with this D-9! One day I look and you've got the plane assembled and then the next thing I know you've got the whole camoflage scheme done!! Wow! Good progress! Looking forward to more pics!

Greg:I'll use my MIG productions black wash on it. I've had fairly good luck with that. Speaking of which I've got a pic of the spinner that I applied the decal to. This decal was a pain in the you know what. It took me one hour of positioning to get it to lay the right way for me and about 7 coats of Microsol to get it to lay down flat!!! BTW this pic also shows the wash applied to the nose. Works like a charm for me.

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 12:18 AM

Happy New Year you guys!!! What a way to break into the new year building 190's!!!

                   

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Posted by Rigidrider on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 5:56 PM

JJ, Man your just moving right along! Like the scheme...

To all my friends and modeling buddies...HAPPY NEW YEAR!

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Posted by Greg on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 2:17 PM

Joe, thanks buddy. DVD is in stock at Squadron and in my wish list for my next order. I'm looking fwd to it. I spend quite a bit of time on the Vallejo site, surprised I missed the DVD and I never would have put 2 and 2 together and realised the full DVD is avail had you not mentioned it.

Nose cowling looking good. What will you wash it with? Plz post a shot when done if you have time.

JJ, looking good! Looking forward to seeing your progress from here.

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Posted by jugjunkie on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:47 PM

Now ready for decals and a wash.....

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Posted by Rigidrider on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 6:28 AM

Thats fine Joe... Thanks!

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 5:19 AM

Greg
Joe, I found the intro to the DVD on Vallejo site. Can you advise where the DVD is avail for purchase from? As you know, I am an avid Vallejo user and have to have this DVD

Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you Greg. I got mine from Squadron I believe.

Monty:  I've got your entries posted on the intro post bud. Good building as usual out of you. Looking forward to more creativeness!!

Doug:I have your finished build on the Completed Builds wall. Lemme know if you want it changed or if thats ok.

Everybody:Started building a little on the nose here: Still got a wash to do.

                   

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Posted by MontyMahendra on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:51 AM

Hi Nathan - its an old toothpick i use as the applicator. Nothing fancy about it: I just sharpened the end and split the end into two halves (where I can capture the superglue).

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Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, December 30, 2013 6:40 PM

Glad to hear that Joe!  Hope the new job is every thing you want and that you fit in as you need. I agree with Bish, about going back to work after an extended period off, but at my point in lifes journey, I;m looking forward to the day when I can hang it up for good!

Doug

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Posted by JOE RIX on Monday, December 30, 2013 6:37 PM

mustang1989

Bish
I think Joe is slacking

No , he went back to work today at his new job after being off for a month! hahaha

No, He was slacking.Wink

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Posted by Bish on Monday, December 30, 2013 6:36 PM

A month, ouch. I know that feeling having to go back after so much down time.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, December 30, 2013 6:30 PM

Bish
I think Joe is slacking

No , he went back to work today at his new job after being off for a month! hahaha

                   

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Posted by Bish on Monday, December 30, 2013 11:58 AM

Not yet lol. I have a few 32nd kit, well 11 now after the 219. As soon as I get some proper display space, I will get to them.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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