Ju 87 Stuka GB

Thanks, Mustang. I'm hoping the Stuka goes as well as the Tony did!

I read where the Jericho Trumpets created a lot of drag. 15-20 knots of it! Yikes. Which, on the already slow Stuka caused them to be removed in favor of whistles attached to the bombs.

panzerpilot

I read where the Jericho Trumpets created a lot of drag. 15-20 knots of it! Yikes. Which, on the already slow Stuka caused them to be removed in favor of whistles attached to the bombs.

Do you remember where you read that, PanzerPilot?  I've read that as well, although I can't find anything definite...just passing remarks.  According to the German Wikipedia article, they only used them in the first half of the war.  But there is no attribution for that claim.

If this is true, my -G would almost certainly not have them.  Does anyone have any well documented information about this?  Is this more of a pilot preference thing, or were there actual "orders" to remove the Jericho Trumpets at some point?  Maybe at some point they just quit coming with them from the factory?

schmidty

panzerpilot

I read where the Jericho Trumpets created a lot of drag. 15-20 knots of it! Yikes. Which, on the already slow Stuka caused them to be removed in favor of whistles attached to the bombs.

Do you remember where you read that, PanzerPilot?  I've read that as well, although I can't find anything definite...just passing remarks.  According to the German Wikipedia article, they only used them in the first half of the war.  But there is no attribution for that claim.

The only reference I found was from Wikipedia, under the Ju87B paragraph. It actually says a loss of 10-20mph, (about 15 knots) The reference there points to this book:

Griehl, Manfred. Junker Ju 87 Stuka. London/Stuttgart: Airlife Publishing/Motorbuch, 2001

I especially like the paragraph on "diving procedure". Very interesting. Here is a link to that site, in case it's harder to find in Europe, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87

Mike, the G's definatly did not have them. The last model to be fitted with them was the D-1. And as the G's don't dive in the same way the bomber's would, there would be no point. The dive brakes were also removed.

I hadn't heard that about slowing the aircraft down, interesting one.

6 hours till kick off.

Pilot, I think that must be the book I got recently, that I think Nathan mentioned. I will have a look later.

panzerpilot

The only reference I found was from Wikipedia, under the Ju87B paragraph. It actually says a loss of 10-20mph, (about 15 knots) The reference there points to this book:

Griehl, Manfred. Junker Ju 87 Stuka. London/Stuttgart: Airlife Publishing/Motorbuch, 2001

I especially like the paragraph on "diving procedure". Very interesting. Here is a link to that site, in case it's harder to find in Europe, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87

Hmmm...I read that page too.  Or at least thought I did.  I guess I skipped right over that part!   Thanks Panzer!

Bish

Mike, the G's definatly did not have them. The last model to be fitted with them was the D-1. And as the G's don't dive in the same way the bomber's would, there would be no point. The dive brakes were also removed.

Thanks Bish.  The thing confusing me (other than my own poor reading skills, apparently ) was that the Academy G kit seems to have them.  I didn't look super close to see if the propellers were in there, but the legs do have "posts" on them that I assumed were the trumpets.  I'll have to take a closer look.  Maybe they are just some sprue from the production process.

No problem, Schmidty

Bish. If that is the book, the wikipedia reference lists pgs 64-65, about the jerichos.

Oh, so you are using UK time (GMT) as the startoff? That means I can start work tonight, Houston time! Or, is that cheating?

I just had another look at the sprues of my Kanonenvogel and noticed that Hasegawa molded the siren mounts in place on the gear legs. Were they still in place on the real Birds after the sirens were removed or were they removed as well?

Yep, it is that book. In full he says

''Once the enemy had become used to dive bombing attacks, the noise makers were removed, not least because of the speed loss of 20-25kph which they caused''.

he then mentions the noise makers put onto the fins of bombs. I think I have seen these, they may have been used from early in the war on bombs carried by standard level bombers. I don't have a pic to hand, but if I remember right, they look like a tube on the fin of the bomb.

Mike, you have to remove the stubs, if I remember right, the instructions do say that. Though I did just have to look at mine. Its odd as Academy never did a D-3 as far as I know, and early D-3 did have the stub but not the propeller.

Clemens, I am guessing that Hasegawa's kit is also based on their D kit. You will have to remove the stubs as the G-1 was built using later model D-3's. But I know your doing a G-2, and no D-5's had them.

Pilot, sorry, forgot the other bit.Yes, GMT it is (well, its BST now, 19.00 as I post this)

Bish

Mike, you have to remove the stubs, if I remember right, the instructions do say that. Though I did just have to look at mine. Its odd as Academy never did a D-3 as far as I know, and early D-3 did have the stub but not the propeller.

Thanks Bish.  I guess I should have taken a little closer look at the kit and the instructions.  Well, now I will just have to build an earlier variant so I can include the trumpet!

Regarding the bomb getting the whistle; the German Jericho-Trompete Wikipedia page links to a picture of the bomb on this page.  You can see the tube on the fin that Bish is talking about.  At least, I assume that is it.

Good find Mike, ye, that's it. I think I have seen some cases of two or even 4 being fitted to each bomb. If you look at the other fin, there are two loops attached for another siren. I am not how these work, I think they may have been a whistle rather than a siren as on the 87's fitted ones.

Been following this thread since the beginning and wanting to jump in.  I’ve never done a group build; I’m recently back in the hobby after 30 years.

At that time, the last model I built was the Monogram Ju-87D.  Back then it was strictly OOB; no seam filling, no air brush; decals directly on top of the flat paint; no mods whatsoever.  I’ve still have that model (along with several others built that same way).

I’ve come a long way since then; still not anywhere near the great work I see other’s doing, but much better than I used to be.  

So here’s my plan.  I’ve grabbed another Monogram kit and plan to build it OOB except using my better skills and techniques. The only difference in the two will be the technique.

It’ll be interesting to set the two side by side for a comparison.  

I’ll probably start slow as I’d really like to finish the B-17 I’m currently working on.  Should finish the fort in a month or so.  In the meantime, I’ll be following along closely.

Glad to have you on board Tom. Is that a 48th scale kit, I am not to familiar with Monogram. Feel free to post some pics of your older build if you wish, and while your following along, feel free to make any comments you wish, as you can see, the guys here do like to chat, 33 pages and its not started yet, well not quite. I will add you to the roster.

Yes, 1/48.  I think I read a few pages back, that others are doing it as well.

I think I'll wait to post pics of my older build until I can also show something a little, shall we say, "nicer?"

Thanks.

I was just checking the roster, and ye, we have 2 others building that one as well. No worries, add pics when ever you happy to.

ALRIGHT!  STUKA VOR!

"Wir stürzen vom Himmel der Erde zu
An Wolkenbergen vorbei
Wir lassen dem Feinde keine Ruh'
Wir sprengen das Herz ihm entzwei
Wir schlagen die Gegner mit Mut und mit Kraft
Wir öffnen dem Sieger das Tor
Wir tragen das letzte Schicksal der Schlacht
Stuka, Stuka vor! Stuka, Stuka vor!"

(For inspiration only.)

Ok guys, you may begin. And a nice way to start, thanks GAF.

Mustang, it was damn close, 499.

499 posts before this GB even opened.  This is going to be fun!!!

Ok, folks! I''m all done. 1/32 Trumpeter D model. Eduard masks, Quickboost exhaust and props. I used Mr Color and MM paints. Thanks for looking.

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April Fools!! (It's just a 1/144 scale, or so, metal toy I picked up somewhere years ago)

(Actually, I won't be able to start for a few days and I still need to clean up my bench ) Cheers! I look forward to seeing all the fine work.

Tom68, welcome aboard! I'm also getting back into the hobby after a long time away, and just started with group builds fairly recently as well, so you're not alone. Be warned: GBs can be very addictive. Ask me how I know.

Funny, just yesterday I was drooling over examining the back of my kit box and noticed the stubs on the spats in one of the four Stuka images; couldn't figure out what they were but now I realize they're the trumpet stems. Odd thing is, they're visible on the 'Bulgaria, April 1941' version, but not the others, including the two from 1940.

Ok fellas. I'll be editing this post later to show the kit flooring and the Aires flooring from the update kit that I am using. I am glad I test fitted the flooring in the fuselage first thing because it only touches one side of the fuselage and not the other. What tha hek???? For what I paid for this update kit one would think that it would fit better than that. Oh well that being said and my rant over, it's time to get to work!! I'm going to strip the kit flooring of detail at the pilots floor area and sand the floor from beneath the detail and seat mounting on the Aires floor and transfer the detail and seat mounting apparatus over to the kit floor along with that nifty foot pedal just aft of the gunners seat area. Will edit and show pics later when I get my computer back from my wife who is using it to take a medical exam for work right now.

The Aires part is on the left and the box part is on the right:

The transformation begins tomorrow at 4 am!!!

Well, I'm not going to start building right out of the gate, but I can post pics! Italeri 1/48 Ju-87B-2:

Cool! Good to see another Italeri kit here. Mustang- 4am? Hope you have the coffee pot programmed.

Nathan T

 Mustang- 4am? Hope you have the coffee pot programmed.

 As far as the Italeri kit Raven, that thing looks like its going to be a cool build. Lots of parts I see!!

As far as progress this morning,I started removing the detail from the Aires flooring as promised:

and here is the "part" I was after:

 and I removed all the pilots flooring detail from the Hasegawa flooring to accomodate that of the Aires variety.................

Bish: Thanks for the heads up on the post count. I knew I was going to be close on the post count!! LOL

IT HAS BEGUN!!!

Looking good so far, Joe! I prefer Chai tea because I get headaches from drinking too much coffee

Pilot: Now that was quick!

Raven728

Tom68, welcome aboard! I'm also getting back into the hobby after a long time away, and just started with group builds fairly recently as well, so you're not alone. Be warned: GBs can be very addictive. Ask me how I know.

Funny, just yesterday I was drooling over examining the back of my kit box and noticed the stubs on the spats in one of the four Stuka images; couldn't figure out what they were but now I realize they're the trumpet stems. Odd thing is, they're visible on the 'Bulgaria, April 1941' version, but not the others, including the two from 1940.

Its ok, your among friends, you can admit to drooling.

The sirens were not fitted until the later B-1's, I think after the Polish campaign. So its not uncommon to see pics of B's without them. And the siren mounts were fitted at the factory, but the sirens were fitted by the ground crew. There are a number of pics of Stuka's with the mounts simply faired over. I guess it could be upto the pilot of unit commander as to if they were fitted.