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Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, December 24, 2016 2:48 PM

You are welcome, Check.

I've also that Osprey profile book.  It's possible, in those hectic days, the changes the Air Ministry had ordered could not be followed through in a timely fashion, if at all.  Without actual photo proof of the specific aircraft, then all we can do is guess.

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Jack

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, December 24, 2016 1:12 PM

I think you're right, Jack!  Thanks for the information.

The profile in Osprey's Spitfire Aces 1939-1941 shows Malan's plane with no underwing roundels.  It's labeled for May-June.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, December 24, 2016 12:21 PM

Hi Check, yes I've the Lucas book as well.  He actually does have the right info in the writen text, found in the middle column of page 45.  Underwing roundels were reintroduced on May 15th.  Then on June 4th, a yellow ring was added to the roundel  to the night painted wing only.

The error is found on page 33, the top right illustration is wrongly captioned - I think that is what mislead you?

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Jack

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, December 24, 2016 11:10 AM

 

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, December 24, 2016 11:09 AM

Jack:  Yeah, I don't know if Sailor had much clout after Barking Creek, until he had a chance to redeem himself.

I have Paul Lucas' book on RAF camouflage and markings through the Battle of Britain, and he goes into great detail about the various paint schemes used before the war and in the early days of the war.  It's an interesting read; very informative.

One issue I had, though, was the matter of underwing roundels.  According to Lucas, underwing roundels were applied to day fighters as of 4 June, 1940--the end of the Dunkirk evacuation.  Prior to that, RAF fighters over Dunkirk should presumably not be carrying them.

Yet, here's a photo I found, purportedly showing a downed Spitfire from the time of Operation Dynamo.

Then, to complicate things, Lucas says that only two days later--on 6 June, 1940--Sky, Type S was ordered for the undersurfaces, and the underwing roundels were once again removed until 11 August (p. 33 in Camouflage & Markings, No. 2).

I opted to leave the roundels off the bottom of the wings on Sailor's plane, since Revell's painting instructions didn't show them and their decal sheet didn't provide them; but the issue is something I haven't figured out yet.  

Caspar's old decal sheet for Operation Dynamo shows underwing roundels on both Spitfires and the Hurricane included in the set.  Still photos from the upcoming Dunkirk movie show roundels, too, on the wing bottoms.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Friday, December 23, 2016 10:56 PM

I dunno if it would be a matter of clout.  The reason for the black white undersides was to make recogniton easier for ground observers - the RAF might of had to release another circular to flak units, stating that 'Spitfire with funky tail is one of ours.'  lol!

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Jack

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, December 23, 2016 10:17 PM
Thanks, Jack. I wasn't at all certain about the undersurfaces, but this particular scheme provided a slightly different take on things--and I like some variety now and then. I have wondered whether Sailor had enough clout to get by with a non-regulation interpretation?

 

 

 

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Friday, December 23, 2016 10:09 PM

Hi Check, a fine looking Spitfire, I think you did a great job on this one. Yes

I 've never seen the underside of the tail like that before, quite new to me.  Very true, back during wartime there was some confusion when the night/white scheme was issued.  A huge part of the problem was that no permission was given to apply paint on the ailerons, as it was considered to affect the aerodynamics.  These were left in the original aluminum colour, until a proper method of paint application was handed out.

The alternating colored ailerons could be a post war myth from a possible photo showing just a black wing underside with a light coloured aileron, with a conclusion being made that the other wing was painted the opposite way?

Again, great looking build and tribute to "Sailor" Malan.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, December 23, 2016 5:24 PM

First:  about Adolph Gysbert "Sailor" Malan, pictured with "Peter," his (and wife Linda's) terrier.

  

Born in Wellington, South Africa on 3 October, 1910, he went to sea in 1924, hence his later RAF nickname.  He applied for a short-service commission in the RAF in 1935, and was posted to 74 Squaddron in 1936.

On 6 September, 1939, he was involved in the unfortunate "Battle of Barking Creek" episode.  He first saw action against the Germans over Dunkirk, as flight lieutenant, and achieved his first victories on 21 May, 1940.  By the end of Operation Dynamo, he claimed at least four (some sources say five) destroyed and shared in a number of others.

It remains possible that one of his victims during the Battle of Britain was Werner Moelders, who was wounded but recovered.

In August 1940, Sailor was posted to command 74 Squadron.

After the war, he returned to South Africa, and died of Parkinson's Disease on 17 September, 1963.

Finished Spitfire.

Undersides:  There must be at least four different interpretations for the undersurfaces I found on the web for Sailor Malan's plane.  This was the most interesting, I thought, so it's what I used.  It's also close to what Revell suggests in their "Icons of Flight" Battle of Britain set, issued a few years ago.

Although Testors discontinued it, I recently found two bottles of their Camouflage Gray in a near-by hobby shop, so that's what I used to represent the white side.  I had an old bottle of Floquil Weathered Black still around, so that's what I used to represent the black side.

The upper surfaces were more conventional.  I used Colourcoats paint here.

And finally, an artist's colour interpretation of the photo above.

  

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, December 23, 2016 12:11 AM

As an end-of-the-year project--and as a reminder and invitation that the 1939-40 GB is still open to anyone who wants to create a model from the first years of the war--here is another submission.

This is the first of this Spitfire kit I've built, and it's very nice.  It comes with two different canopies and multiple parts to make an early Spitfire up to the Mk II.  It goes together very well.

I've always admired Adolph "Sailor" Malan, and since the only photo I could find of his plane appears to be an early variant with the pole type antenna and the less-bulged canopy, this kit was a good starting place.

It appears from the view barely discernible of the port landing gear doors that the plane was painted in light colored undersides by this time.  In fact, the instructions that came with Xtradecals Spitifire sheet indicate it should be a sky blue.

But I built Hasegawa's Spitfire years ago in that scheme, and I wanted to show Sailor's plane as it might have appeared over Dunkirk, around the time he entered the fray.

So I painted the inside of the wheel wells in the white/black scheme in use during late May and early June '40.  I used a pin wash, some dry brushing and Doc O'Brien's weathering powders to bring up the detail.

Added a Sutton harness to the pilot's seat, made out of masking tape.

Fuselage halves and cockpit pieces.  Again I used pinwashes and drybrushed highlights for emphasis.

Sailor's plane has been a pretty popular subject, so I had collected a number of decal sets with ZP-A included.  I used the stencilling decals from Revel's offering (Icons of Flight set)--and they were very good--went on really well.  National roundels came from Airfix's Battle of Britain Experience set, and the squadron code letters and serial numbers came from the Xtradecal Spitfire sheet.

  

Finished the plane tonight, but this is enough for one post, so final photos can wait till tomorrow.

Thanks for looking.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, August 29, 2016 7:22 PM

Nice looking kit, Freddie; and you've done wnnders with the cockpit.  Very impressive work on those problem areas.

Front page is also updated.  Thanks for your participation.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by fjs3 on Monday, August 29, 2016 6:40 PM

Now that the Bf-109E is finished, I can get back to the Do-17Z.

The kit is ICM's 1:48 scale offering, and I can say without a doubt, it is awesome.  The fit, detail, and the engineering are really great.   I am thoroughly enjoying the experience!!  

The only problem I have run into, is the seam at both the front and rear of the uooer wing to fuselage join   There's a little step that needs to be dealt with, but it's not a horror show, but there will be some rescribing needed afterwards.  I plan on using CCA to fill these, as it takes rescribing better than putty.  I will pose her with the bomb bay open, and maybe one of the engines too.   The kit gives the builder a few options, that really look cool!!

Anyway, here are a few pictures of the progress so far!

These last two pictures show the two trouble spots I spoke of.  Not bad, but be aware of them, and better builders will avoid them all together.

I'll post more as the build progresses.  After this one, a BP Defiant, ICM's Ju-88, and a Hobby Boss Vickers Wellington.  I plan on being busy... 

 

Regards,

Freddie from LI

 

 

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Posted by fjs3 on Monday, August 29, 2016 6:07 PM

checkmateking02

Outstanding work once again, Freddie!  I look forward to seeing your next project.  

In the meantime, do you have a preference for the finished photo for the front page?

 

How about the sec0ond one down?  I think it looks better.

 

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Posted by DantheMan85 on Monday, August 29, 2016 4:01 PM

 

Great work and excellent finish to your Bf-109 Freddie. I remember building that kit back in 2006, wound how it compares to Eduard's 109. Cool

 

On my Work Bench: Tamiya Ford GT 1/24

Up Coming: ?

           

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, August 29, 2016 1:26 PM

Outstanding work once again, Freddie!  I look forward to seeing your next project.  

In the meantime, do you have a preference for the finished photo for the front page?

 

 

 

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, August 28, 2016 11:05 PM

Freddie, great looking Emil! Yes

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Jack

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Posted by fjs3 on Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:20 PM

Hey Folks.

 

I finally got back to the bench this past week, and finished my latest build.  It is Tamiya's 1:48 scale Bf-109E-4.  

I found this to be a terrific little kit, easy to build, and....well, it's a Tamiya kit so...

I painted the model using Floquil Military enamels and Modelmaster Enamels.  Decals are from Aeromaster

The model represents a Bf-109E, the was flown by Oblt. Gerhardt Schopfel during August 1940.  He was assigned to the 9th Staffell, 3rd Gruppe, and flew with Jagdgeschwader 26 during the Battle of Britain.

He survived the war, and was credited with forty five confirmed shoot downs.

Thanks again for looking, and I'll get back at that Do-17Z-2, and get her posted as well!!

 

Regards,

Freddie from LI

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Posted by DantheMan85 on Thursday, July 14, 2016 8:02 AM

Thanks Checkmate and Jgeratic, I also think the dark colors look better outside. Cool

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Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:09 PM

Dan, almost forgot about this one, glad you were able to finnish.  Looks to be a great rendition of this workhorse. Yes

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Jack

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Wednesday, July 13, 2016 5:20 PM

Looking good all around, Dan--top and bottom.  Congratulations on a kit well done!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by DantheMan85 on Wednesday, July 13, 2016 3:33 PM

 

Thanks Josiah.

 

A job well done on your Hurricane & Bf109 Freddie, they turned out great. The E-4/7 kit was my first tamiya aircraft model.

 

I finally got around to photography the underside of the Junker Ju-52 today, plus outside I can take shots of IronAnnie with no barrel distortion. I plan to start the StuG III Ausf A. soon for the 1941 build.

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, July 9, 2016 3:27 PM
Outstanding results with both aircraft, Freddie. Excellent work on each of them!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by fjs3 on Saturday, July 9, 2016 2:00 PM

Part Three:  ICM 1:48 Scale Dornier Do-17Z-2

AS I had mentioned earlier, there is a Part Three.  I found this kit at my LHS, and took a shot at it not being a repop of earlier attempts at this German bomber....(Actually I googled it, and found it to be a 'New Tool' release, so I was hooked)

As soon as I opened the box, I was very pleased with what I found, and made plans to build her along side the Tamiya Bf-109 I was working on.  See Part Two...

The detail is overall spot on.  Very fine, very crisp and the fit is excellent.  As you'll see in the following pictures, it really looks good and the 'office' is plenty busy enough for us OOB guys to really not need any aftermarket.  I'm sure there wil be a fair share of that in the weeks to come too!  

Still a major work in progress, but as you see, moving along.  Now with the Bf-109 mostly finished I can devout more time on this project, and prepare for the next one on my list.

Thanks again for reading my post and have a great day y'all!!

 

Regards

Freddie from LI

Starboard Cockpit

Port cockpit and pilot's seat

Port Cockpit and pilot's seat

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Posted by fjs3 on Saturday, July 9, 2016 1:45 PM

Hello Folks

 

I'm back with Part Two, (And later with a part Three...) for this group build.

 

Part Two, is Tamiya's excellent Bf-109E-4/7 kit, which for all intent and purpose, goes together without problems.  Pretty much she's a shaker and a baker.  Very few issues with this one, and it was a very simple model to build.  Detail was fine, and IMHO, not overdone, and it was a very fast build too.  As a matter of fact, I enjoyed building her so much, and got right into it, I didn't take too many pictures until I was way far along...

Anyway, here is where I am at right now.  There are a few more fidley bits to add after I weather her, and then she'll be done, with me posting finished pictures by Sunday evening.

Thank all for looking at my post, and I hope you are all having a fantastic day!

Regards

Freddie from LI

PS:  Markings are those of Oblt. Gerhardt Schopfel, 9 Stfl., III Grp. JG26, France, during August 1940.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 4:37 PM

Freddie, you can build as many as you like.  I'm sure we'll all love to see them.

Nice job on these kits.  They look exceptionally well-engineered, and your construction is first-rate.  Looking forward to watching your progress! 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by fjs3 on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:01 AM

Hello again Folks,

While on a visit to the LHS, I saw a kit by ICM, that really caught my eye.  A Dornier D0-17Z2, "Flying Pencil", German bomber.  I quick got out the phone and checked to see if it were a new kit, or a repop or another kit.

Well, she's a new kit, and so far, she's a beauty, and basically falling together very nicely. 

So that being said, I'd like to add this to the build, as it will be a machine based in France during the Battle of Britain...and here are the pictures, so far...

I have to say, this kit looks really well engineered, and it looks like ICM is gonna make a run at improving their reputation, by producing quality kits.  I see they have also made a Do-17Z-10 night fighter, and they are planning on a Ju-88 family as well.  The Ju-88A-5, is already out!

Anyway, If you see one of these, I would tell you that, you couldnt go wrong with picking it up and giving it a shot.  

Regards,

Freddie from LI

 

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Posted by fjs3 on Tuesday, May 17, 2016 11:29 PM

Hey Folks,

 

Since the Hurricane was finished, I decided to take a whack at another kit for this GB: a 1:48 scale, Tamiya Bf-109E-4.  Problem is, that this kit builds so well, that is, as it fell together, I just did not take pictures until I got to this point y'all are seeing here.  

Pretty much ready for painting after masking, and I'm hoping to have that done by the weekend.  Here are the pictures...

I'll post more as the progress moves foward.

I would like to be posted as having another two builds to add, if that is alright with the mods...

The second of the "Two" I mentioned will be posted in a following article

Regards,

Freddie from LI

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, April 8, 2016 1:39 PM
Front page is updated, Freddie. Thanks again for your participation. I look forward to seeing your next one!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by BrandonD on Friday, April 8, 2016 1:32 PM

Fjs3 - Great work on that Hurry! I really love those planes, as I have a soft spot for the nearly obsolete planes that pilots took into battle and turned history with. Also, that AIrfix kit is really nice, and a very welcome addition, IMO. You did a great job with the fit and finish, and I can't wait to see the next BoB plane!

-BD-

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Posted by fjs3 on Thursday, April 7, 2016 8:06 PM
Thank you very much for the kind words, they are greatly appreciated. I think the top picture is my favorite. It shows the lines of a Hurricane the best. Thank you again, and ill get on the Bf-109. Haven't built a German in quite a while, and was hoping Airix would get their Ju-87 out, but I think not.

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