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Second Annual USAF Vietnam Group Build

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, October 31, 2014 6:44 AM

Ken

That looks like a fantastic model just as an OOB build. Too bad some panels were not left off to expose part of the engine. That cockpit looks very detailed!

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Posted by Striker8241 on Friday, October 31, 2014 5:02 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

I made a purchase tonight and I thought I would share since it is a Vietnam era model.  It is the new Italeri 1/32 F-104 A/C Starfighter.  Completely new tooling and lots of detail.

You can read the review here:

http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/it/kit_it_2504.shtml

Wow, what a kit! Let's see...you should be about 94 when you get around to it... Big Smile.  Looks like fun though! Congratulations!

Russ

 

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Posted by mailwalker on Friday, October 31, 2014 6:02 PM

Tal Afar Dave

Hey Mailwalker,

Russ is right; we are all on this hobby journey and all of us still have room to grow and learn new techniques.  As far as dry brushing goes it's okay to pre-treat your bristles with a little thinner, but you want to make sure your brush is almost completely dry.

After I paint the base coat, I let it dry for a good while.  Then I get my wide, soft brush and dip it in the paint enough to cover the bristle tips.  Then I lightly drag it across a textured paper towel or napkin to remove most of the paint.  Once most of the paint is gone, the remaining paint will form a more defined pattern and only attach to the very highest point of your model. (Like the knobs, switches, and buttons on your side panels).  Once I've got the paint down to that small amount, I transfer it to the model itself.  

Looking at your pictures, it looks like you are getting the technique, but maybe you're applying a little too much pressure on the brush and the bristles are doing into the work deeper than you wanted.  Try using a lighter touch and work in one direction at first- left to right, or up and down.  It takes a little practice, but you'll get there.

I also like to find good pictures of what I'm trying to replicate and will have a picture of the actual item from a book, or pulled up from my internet file on my computer to capture the actual 'look' of the item.

You can also use 'washes' to give those small details more 'pop' and visibility and to add shadows in areas where they'd appear on the actual item.  And maybe one of the guys on here can explain 'color modulation' techniques......(Still struggling with that one myself.!!)....like I said, always something we can learn!!!Big Smile

Good luck with your Super Sabre!


TAD

Thanks,  Tal Afar for the tips. Being as I am on the learning curve, I have since repainted the base coat on everything and have begun repainting the details. It's looking much better. Hopefully I'll get enough done soon to post some progress pics. Great tips and encouragement, I appreciate it. Thanks again!

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Friday, October 31, 2014 8:02 PM

plasticjunkie

Ken

That looks like a fantastic model just as an OOB build. Too bad some panels were not left off to expose part of the engine. That cockpit looks very detailed!

I agree with you on the detail.  I don't think I will need to buy any aftermarket parts for this one!

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Friday, October 31, 2014 8:04 PM

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

I made a purchase tonight and I thought I would share since it is a Vietnam era model.  It is the new Italeri 1/32 F-104 A/C Starfighter.  Completely new tooling and lots of detail.

You can read the review here:

http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/it/kit_it_2504.shtml

Wow, what a kit! Let's see...you should be about 94 when you get around to it... Big Smile.  Looks like fun though! Congratulations!

Russ

I would guess closer to 104!  Big Smile 

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 1, 2014 7:39 AM

Hi Everyone,

Today's date is an important one.  It was on this date, November 1, 1955, that the American Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) for South Vietnam was created.  Here is an excerpt from the online Wikipedia:

"The MAAG was reorganized from covering all of Indochina into MAAGs for each of the countries (Cambodia, Laos, South Vietnam). General Samuel Tankersley Williams was the chief of the newly created MAAG.[37] Due to the creation of the MAAG for Vietnam on this date, in 1998 after a high level review by the Department of Defense (DoD) and through the efforts of Richard B. Fitzgibbon's family, November 1, 1955 became the earliest qualifying date for inclusion of American combat deaths on the wall of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial."

So this date is considered by the United States government to be the date that the Vietnam War began.

Ken

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Posted by mailwalker on Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:21 PM

Just an update to show that I am still at it.

Here is the forward control panel. Much better I think than before. Still some to do on it. My references showed some of the dials to have a black mounting "box?", some were just a black ring around the dial. Thats what I am trying to portray.

Here is the cockpit mocked up still working on it also, But it is also better than my first attempt IMO.

Here is the ammo bay. I expect it to really pop once it gets some weathering done.

Slowly but surely I will get there, guys! Thanks for all the tips and comments.

Mike

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:33 PM

mailwalker

Just an update to show that I am still at it.

Here is the forward control panel. Much better I think than before. Still some to do on it. My references showed some of the dials to have a black mounting "box?", some were just a black ring around the dial. Thats what I am trying to portray.

Here is the cockpit mocked up still working on it also, But it is also better than my first attempt IMO.

Here is the ammo bay. I expect it to really pop once it gets some weathering done.

Slowly but surely I will get there, guys! Thanks for all the tips and comments.

Mike

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:36 PM

mailwalker

Just an update to show that I am still at it.

Here is the forward control panel. Much better I think than before. Still some to do on it. My references showed some of the dials to have a black mounting "box?", some were just a black ring around the dial. Thats what I am trying to portray.

Here is the cockpit mocked up still working on it also, But it is also better than my first attempt IMO.

Here is the ammo bay. I expect it to really pop once it gets some weathering done.

Slowly but surely I will get there, guys! Thanks for all the tips and comments.

Mike

Sorry about that.  I accidently hit the post button before I wrote anything!  Oops 

Hey Mike, that is looking really nice!  Great job!  Yes  Yes  I'd say your honing your skills very well!

Ken

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 9:43 AM

Good save PJ.

Steve

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:09 PM

Thanks MC. I just hope the dropping thing is an isolated case.

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Posted by Tal Afar Dave on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 6:46 PM

Hey Mike,

Looks like you are really coming along!!  Big difference!Yes

Dave

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Posted by Tal Afar Dave on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 6:58 PM

Wow, PJ, that had to suck majorly!!  Glad you were able to save it; can't even tell which barrel is the replacement!

TAD

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:12 PM

Thanks TAD. I was so pissed that I forgot to photograph the damaged nose guns but just thought about repairing the damage. This is the second model I drop this year. The other one was a 1/35 Eduard Hetzer that I was building for the Tank Hunter GB and dropped it loosening the front gears and transmission inside the tank. I had to carefully cut the front bottom armor plate to glue the parts then re glue the armor plate to the hull.

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Posted by Tal Afar Dave on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 8:49 PM

Dang, that does stink!  I finished up a P-51D that came out really good and I wanted a red background behind it for pictures.  Had the picture all framed up and focused and it was going to be a great photo.  Then WHAM!  It happened......that big, fat, beautiful red book fell on top of the Mustang, crushing the landing gear.........Still get ticked when I think about it.......I never found the tail wheel.......

Glad to see that you bounced back!!

TAD

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:26 AM

Wow TAD, sorry to hear about that! It sucks when you put all that work into a model and things like that happen. Can you repair the gears?

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Posted by Tal Afar Dave on Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:30 PM

plasticjunkie

Wow TAD, sorry to hear about that! It sucks when you put all that work into a model and things like that happen. Can you repair the gears?

I managed to salvage the main landing gears, but I have no clue where the tail wheel went after it flew away from it's mount......I will probably cast one in resin (one day) to replace it.....we'll see how that goes....

TAD

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Friday, November 7, 2014 6:03 AM

plasticjunkie

The kit nose guns did not look very good

So I got some barrels from Quickboost

Much better

I then raided my tackle box for some small sinkers for nose weight and secured them with masking tape as they will be sandwiched against the nose bulkhead

And then disaster as the nose slipped out of my grip and landed on the tile floor busting 3 freaking barrels!

I spent the next few minutes exclaiming some choice words but was able to fix the damage. One barrel broke in half and flew into oblivion. I had to use one of the kit plastic barrels as a replacement after drilling out the muzzle and cutting it to size.

Damage repaired

The nose is on and the weight keeps it from being a tail sitter.

Hi Plasticjunkie,

Those Quickboost guns are a real improvement.  They look great!  Very sorry to hear about their "accident" but you did a fantastic job of repairing them!  Yes  Yes 

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Friday, November 7, 2014 6:20 PM

plasticjunkie

Thanks TAD. I was so pissed that I forgot to photograph the damaged nose guns but just thought about repairing the damage. This is the second model I drop this year. The other one was a 1/35 Eduard Hetzer that I was building for the Tank Hunter GB and dropped it loosening the front gears and transmission inside the tank. I had to carefully cut the front bottom armor plate to glue the parts then re glue the armor plate to the hull.

Ouch Plasticjunkie!  That makes me cringe just reading about it.  That must have been a horrible feeling to see it crash.  Hopefully there won't be anymore instances like that!

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Friday, November 7, 2014 6:39 PM

Tal Afar Dave

Dang, that does stink!  I finished up a P-51D that came out really good and I wanted a red background behind it for pictures.  Had the picture all framed up and focused and it was going to be a great photo.  Then WHAM!  It happened......that big, fat, beautiful red book fell on top of the Mustang, crushing the landing gear.........Still get ticked when I think about it.......I never found the tail wheel.......

Glad to see that you bounced back!!

TAD

Wow Dave, stories like yours and Plasticjunkie's are just like Halloween all over again!  Very scary!  Surprise 

Ken

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Posted by mailwalker on Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:06 PM

Just an update on my progress so far. Finally starting to look respectable (to me anywayBig Smile). I still plan on adding a little more detail, then get this glued in to the fuselage. 

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Friday, November 14, 2014 5:41 AM

mailwalker

Just an update on my progress so far. Finally starting to look respectable (to me anywayBig Smile). I still plan on adding a little more detail, then get this glued in to the fuselage. 

Hi Mike,

That is looking really good!  Excellent detail!  Yes  Yes 

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 15, 2014 2:54 PM

Hi Everyone,

I thought I would pass along that Trumpeter has announced that they will be releasing their 1/48 A-37B Dragonfly in March next year!  Very cool!

Since the first time I saw the Dragonfly I have always thought of it as a sports car with wings.

Ken

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Saturday, November 15, 2014 6:17 PM

Ken

ROG had a 1/48 Dragonfly (www.cybermodeler.com/.../kit_rg_4503.shtml) out but I think is OOP but  available on ebay now and then for a lot less than the Trumpy kit. There is an A version from Trumpeter available now at Scale Hobbyist .

The ROG has raised lines while the Trumpy kit will probably have recessed ones which look better IMO.

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 15, 2014 6:32 PM

plasticjunkie

Ken

ROG had a 1/48 Dragonfly (www.cybermodeler.com/.../kit_rg_4503.shtml) out but I think is OOP but  available on ebay now and then for a lot less than the Trumpy kit. There is an A version from Trumpeter available now at Scale Hobbyist .

The ROG has raised lines while the Trumpy kit will probably have recessed ones which look better IMO.

Hi Plasticjunkie,

Yes I have the Revell kit along with the Trumpeter A version.  I also have the Encore Models kit.  And yes, both the Revell and Encore (which is a modernized re-boxing of the Revell kit) have raised panel lines and details.  The Trumpeter kit is a new tooling with recessed panel lines and details.

Ken

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Saturday, November 15, 2014 8:02 PM

Ken

Don't fear the raised lines. I use a black Prismacolor  pencil and very lightly run it on the raised lines. The pencil is held sideways so the sides and not the point is used to get subtle soft lines. Best to do it over flat paint so the pencil can bite into the finish. The trick is not to make the lines too dark.

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:23 PM

plasticjunkie

Ken

Don't fear the raised lines. I use a black Prismacolor  pencil and very lightly run it on the raised lines. The pencil is held sideways so the sides and not the point is used to get subtle soft lines. Best to do it over flat paint so the pencil can bite into the finish. The trick is not to make the lines too dark.

Hi Plasticjunkie,

No fear of raised detail, it is just my personal opinion that recessed detail is more "realistic".  Heck, raised detail was all that was available when I was building as a kid.  And I have made a point of purchasing some of the older kits out of nostalgia.

That is a good trick you gave for detailing with raised lines.  Thank you for sharing that!

Ken

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, November 16, 2014 11:08 AM

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Sunday, November 16, 2014 11:21 AM

plasticjunkie

Here's another update on my Invader. I added another missing detail on the right side of the fuselage which is a small hatch door, hinges and the door handle. The vertical lines were scribed and the hinges and handle are stretched sprue cut to size then glued with slow CA applied with a toothpick.

before...........

and after........

The engines were painted metallic silver and given a black wash to pop details.

Engines and canopy are in place and secured

I recently read on one of the threads here in FSM about the wonders of "Perfect Plastic Putty" made by Deluxe Materials in the UK. This stuff is fantastic. It spreads very easily and sands extra smooth with super fine sticks producing an ultra fine surface.

I ran a Q Tip moistened with rubbing alcohol over the seams to check for defects. The alcohol lets you see while wet and glossy if any imperfections are visible. I then applied the Perfect Plastic Putty product over the suspected areas and let it dry over night. The directions said 20 minutes but bedtime was close.

The putty doesn't shrink and sands very easily with little pressure on the sanding stick. It took care of a couple of dips at the joins. Any missing lines were restored with the UMM Scriber, another life saver.

 

I even discovered a small dip on one of the tanks but the plastic putty took care of it.

Just when I think I'm getting ready for paint, I discover another missing detail. More to come.

Wow!  Great work once again Plasticjunkie!  Yes  Yes  Very nice work on the hatch door.  Definitely adds more detail.  And the engines look great!

And thank you for the tip on the Perfect Plastic Putty.  Where did you purchase that?

Ken

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