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Posted by qlabs on Monday, January 4, 2016 1:43 PM

Bish

Colin, ye, i already know which one i am useing. There is a set of 4 done by both Unicraft and Antares. This is the Antares one, first one on the page.

http://www.antaresmodels.com/luft46.asp?s=L72

The one i am useing is third one down, described as a 4 Tonne Uranium bomb Hiroshima type. I have this set, but won't be useing this one. I was going to build my own troey. But then i found on the Kora site they do the same bomb with trolley and tractor. So i am awaiting that to arrive.

 

 

That one looks just like the drawing of the one I was looking at as my possible choice as well. Good to see we are thinking the same thing :)
Thanks for the nods in the direction for those pre-done bombs, I may look into those as a good option, though the ultra nerd in me says "build the bomb yourself" becuase how many chances do you get to build a nuclear bomb? (even if it is just a model)

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 4, 2016 1:38 PM

Colin, ye, i already know which one i am useing. There is a set of 4 done by both Unicraft and Antares. This is the Antares one, first one on the page.

http://www.antaresmodels.com/luft46.asp?s=L72

The one i am useing is third one down, described as a 4 Tonne Uranium bomb Hiroshima type. I have this set, but won't be useing this one. I was going to build my own troey. But then i found on the Kora site they do the same bomb with trolley and tractor. So i am awaiting that to arrive.

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Posted by qlabs on Monday, January 4, 2016 1:20 PM

Hey Bish, have you decided on the shape and size of your bomb?
I've been looking at some of the theororized bombs and drawings that were on the German drawing boards but can't seen to decide.  
I'm Ironing that down before I plan out the build fully/cutting as well.
Do you have one or are you making one to fit once you've completed your mods?

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 4, 2016 12:37 AM

ye, thanks for posting that Bruce, does give a good idea of the sizes.

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, January 3, 2016 9:13 PM

Thanks Bruce, does give me a better idea of the relative sizes there.

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Posted by JayW on Sunday, January 3, 2016 7:12 PM

Moff

@Jay: How about we both do a red oxide primer scheme for our models? We're already both building 1/35 German AFVs from Trumpeter. Smile

 

 

Haha theres a thought, ill have to look into it

 

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Posted by hogfanfs on Sunday, January 3, 2016 5:44 PM

Ok, this is a quick picture of the difference in size of German and Japanese tanks. It's not a great reperesentation since not all the tanks have been built, but it does give a little better idea. Starting from left to right: King tiger, Panther D, Type 5, Panzer IV, and Type 4. 

Gamera was correct, the Type 5 is close in size to the Panther, and the Type 4 is close in size to the Panzer IV. 

One of these days, I'll have all these built and then we'll see a better reperesentation. Big Smile

 Bruce

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 3, 2016 1:03 PM

Now i didn't know FM did figures as well Nice to see someone covering the Japanese ground subjects.

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, January 3, 2016 1:02 PM

Bruce: I was actually going to pull out the Panther when I got a little more together, sadly I don't have a regular Tiger now only a Tiger II. If you've got them handy though it saves me the trouble, thanks!

I think the German's 88 evolved a great deal from the First World War, and the Japanese just kept building pretty much the same gun. I haven't seen much about the Japanese 88 so that's a guess.

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, January 3, 2016 1:00 PM

Hey Gary, I've been pronouncing it Chee-Ree. Not sure if that's totally right or not. I've had a few courses in Japanese and Mandarin but I've never got the pronouciation right at all.

Some great choices there guys and everyone making nice progress!

I think one colour scheme or simple red primer is probably right for any Axis hardware at the end of the war. Still I think I'm going to go crazy with a three colour scheme on mine.

And I have several boxes of figures, no idea what I'll use yet:

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 3, 2016 12:58 PM

Gamera

Believe it or not the hull is the size of a Panther, a little narrower and a little longer. The turret is about the same width and height of the Panther but about a third longer with the overhang over the engine deck. Some of the information I've seen is sketchy- I'd read the tech guys assumed the thing was designed to mount a Japanese 88* but the kit comes with a 75mm gun. Since the gun wasn't mounted when found there seems to be some arguement over this.

The Type 4 Bruce is building is closer in size to a Panzer IV.

I've built one FM aircraft kit so far, nice kit. Not as quite as detailed as a new Hasegawa or Tamiya kit but fit was excellent.

*The Japanese 88 was based off an early German gun not the famous Flak 88. Seems thankfully it was much less formidable.

 

I didn't think it looked that big. Be interesting to see that comparison when Bruce posts that pic.

The 88 iytself was based off a WW1 gun if i remember right. Could that be the same one, just that the two nations achieved differant end results.

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Posted by hogfanfs on Sunday, January 3, 2016 12:49 PM

Wow! Everyone is off to a great start! I'll get pictures posted later, since the misses asked me to get the Christmas lights down first! LOL!

Gamera, Bish, I'll post a picture with a Tiger 2, Panzer IV, Type 5 and Type 4 hulls side by side. I'm curious myself as to the size differences.

 Bruce

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 3, 2016 12:47 PM

Thanks Joe. Its a nice kit with some nice detail, so most of what i am doing if not because its neede but because it fits the dio. But i do enjoy doing this.

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Posted by JOE RIX on Sunday, January 3, 2016 12:38 PM

Steve: Thanks. Glad I could encourage you as I was quite excited to see enter in with the Prinz Eugen. Definitely hoping I can pick up some tips from you. I really can't explain it but, for some reason, I've always been taken with the Richilieu's arrangement and lines.

Bish: I like the extra work and detail you're putting in. It will definitely pay off in the end. I always enjoy the scratch building and alterations you take the time to put in to your builds.

Gamera: That Chi-Ri is going to be a very cool build. I'm certainly not at all familiar with it so, I find it very interesting.

GAF: Boy, I love that you are doing a Corsair. I strongly considered doing one myself as that's my favorite all time aircraft. I'm interested in how the Academy kit is as it is one of the few Corsair kits I do not have. Your Mosquito looks great too.

JayW: The Leopard kit looks to be a rather nice one. Looking forward to your build and to what you decide for a camo scheme.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 3, 2016 12:24 PM

Thanks Steve.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, January 3, 2016 12:03 PM

Joe,
Can't wait to see this come together, I love the Richeleiu, it looks very mean. All that PE and AM is really going to add to it.
Your build is one of the reasons I will be building the Prinz Eugen for this GB.

Bish,
Great start, I'm interested to see it come together.

 

Steve

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 3, 2016 11:37 AM

Thanks GM, and yes, of course, i forgot about the 61. I only built one last year as well.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, January 3, 2016 11:20 AM

Thats nice work there Bish. The P-61 had a similar seat/ access arrangement to what you described.

NOT my model, and not the real deal, but illustrates it nicely

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 3, 2016 11:10 AM

Been working on the rado the past couple of days and i am almost ready for some priming and painting. So, firstly, the bomb bay. I found a couple fo sway braces in the spares box that will work nicely.

Apolgese for some of the pics, a bit blury.

So with the moulded on braces removed, i used some styrene strip to add the missing detail and attached the sway braces. I am goign to use the same method for winching the bombs as use don the lancaster, so i still need to drill 2 holes between the braces for the wire.

Then onto the pit. The seats have those moulded on belts that will need removing and will need some filling.

And the seat backs have the belts and a quilted look i am not keen on.

So i filled the seats and sanded down the deat back a bit, but i am going to get some perfect plastic putty to fill some other areas and i think i will do the seat backs as well.

And i added some PE foot peddels infront of the pit area.

Also been looking at crew access. The hatch i open on the underside is right under the rear guner seat, which goes here.

So i had to come up with an idea of moving the seat and opening the hatch. I thoguht about folding the seat towards the back, but that would blck access for maintanance crews. So i am going to put the seat of rails so it can be slide back and then off to one side. But for now, i have remove dthe floor.

And that floor piece was thinned and i added a ladder to the underside for the crew to climb up into the pit.

And finally the landing gear. The front gear is supposed to be fitted when the pit goes in. But taking an idea from a build on another site, i rigged the front leg so it can be fitted later. I still need to fill the gaps on each side at the front. I also removed the solid triangular plastic at eitehr side of the legs and replaced them with some plastic rod.

And the same with the main legs.

And that all for now. I am still awaiting some bits, including some brass tube for the gun barrels, the plastic putty, and some cockpit decals from Mike Grant, but nothing that should slow the build down.

 

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Posted by JOE RIX on Sunday, January 3, 2016 10:52 AM

Greetings Everyone. Appears as though the GB is off to a rather nice start.

Here's the layout for my build here:

I acquired the Flyhawk PE set for the Richilieu and Master Model gun barrels for the 15", 6" and 4" guns:

In addition, I snagged this excellent reference book off Amazon:

My initial plan is to build this as a waterline. The other task I have is to decipher which paint scheme I will paint this in. There seems to be some descrepency between Trumpeter's scheme and those presented in the book. I need to put in some further study. I will provide a more detailed assessment as to what I'm finding in my next update.

I won't be getting into the build whole heartedly just yet as I need to finish up my Tamiya 1/48 P-47 first. But, I should get some part cutting and cleaning in at least between paint coats on the P-47.

Oh Man, This is going to be a hoot.

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 3, 2016 8:53 AM

JayW

Just opened up the Leopard, sprues look nice but wow is that a lot of track pieces. First for everything I suppose.  

 

Still debating if I want to do the recommended color or not, I think I need to find something more likely to be in the fit of our '46 theme.

I have not yet found the PE set for this version and keep growing more tempted to purchase the PE for the amusing hobby model and using what I can (Frontier tools, antennae, smoke launchers etc) although I did find a metal barrel that I bought along with some for my other builds.

 

 

 

Looking forward to this one Jay. towards the end of the war, German armour was leaving facories in green rather than DY. You coukd try that approach, thats the way i am going with the E-100. Or the red oxide is anotehr option. Having a base colour that not DY would be a good way to start.

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Posted by Moff on Sunday, January 3, 2016 8:46 AM

@Jay: How about we both do a red oxide primer scheme for our models? We're already both building 1/35 German AFVs from Trumpeter. Smile

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Posted by GAF on Sunday, January 3, 2016 6:18 AM

Bish

Gary, you could do a British SEA scheme, that would be differant.

Which Mossie kit is that.

 

 
A SEA scheme would be nice, but I'm already building two British schemed aircraft.  It would be considered "un-ah-murican" to do another.  Wink
 
The Mossie is the old 1/48 Monogram kit.  I'm not sure there were any others back when I was a youngster.
 
Jay,
 
That is certainly a nice looking little kit.  Why is it that armor models now have more parts than aircraft?
 
Gary

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 3, 2016 5:34 AM

Gary, you could do a British SEA scheme, that would be differant.

Which Mossie kit is that.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by JayW on Saturday, January 2, 2016 8:21 PM

Just opened up the Leopard, sprues look nice but wow is that a lot of track pieces. First for everything I suppose.  

 

Still debating if I want to do the recommended color or not, I think I need to find something more likely to be in the fit of our '46 theme.

I have not yet found the PE set for this version and keep growing more tempted to purchase the PE for the amusing hobby model and using what I can (Frontier tools, antennae, smoke launchers etc) although I did find a metal barrel that I bought along with some for my other builds.

 

 

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Posted by GAF on Saturday, January 2, 2016 7:40 PM

Gamera

Hey Gary the Mossie looks good and that Corsair despite the problems should be fun. I've got two I ended up with from raffle drawings. I like the added armour idea.

 

 
Gamera,
 
Thanks!  That Chi-Ri looks complex!  Certainly more parts than the F4U-4B! 
Its name has me thinking about my Japanese grammar.  I think it is pronounced "Chee-Ree" (Kee-Ree) instead of "Chie-Ree" (as in Chinese). 

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, January 2, 2016 7:27 PM

Hey Gary the Mossie looks good and that Corsair despite the problems should be fun. I've got two I ended up with from raffle drawings. I like the added armour idea.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, January 2, 2016 7:22 PM

Believe it or not the hull is the size of a Panther, a little narrower and a little longer. The turret is about the same width and height of the Panther but about a third longer with the overhang over the engine deck. Some of the information I've seen is sketchy- I'd read the tech guys assumed the thing was designed to mount a Japanese 88* but the kit comes with a 75mm gun. Since the gun wasn't mounted when found there seems to be some arguement over this.

The Type 4 Bruce is building is closer in size to a Panzer IV.

I've built one FM aircraft kit so far, nice kit. Not as quite as detailed as a new Hasegawa or Tamiya kit but fit was excellent.

*The Japanese 88 was based off an early German gun not the famous Flak 88. Seems thankfully it was much less formidable.

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Posted by GAF on Saturday, January 2, 2016 7:19 PM

Here's what I've got:  the Academy 1/48th F4U-4B Corsair.  No box top as I threw that away when I was consolidating space by putting many of my inexpensive models into plastic bags and boxing them.  The F4U-4B was supposed to have been a British variant, but the Navy decided to keep them as the war was winding down.  I've considered doing a "what-if" and painting her in British colors, but except for the insignia, I don't think the colors were different from the American version that late in the war.

This was actually a raffle winning at a model convention a couple of years ago.  I picked it up as there was very little left.  After reading up on it, I found it has some problems such as the fuselage being too wide, especially around the cockpit area.  It did have some photoetch with it, so I'm going to use that.  First time using photoetch parts on a kit, so it will be another learning experience.  Big Smile

I have begun removing parts and getting things ready. It has quite a load-out, and I'll be using most of that (if not more) to portray this as a ground-attack aircraft being used to support troops pitted against the Japanese defenders of the home islands.

One other thing extra in the kit was a vac-u-formed canopy.  I assume the previous owner was going to try fixing the over-wide fuselage.  Unfortunately, the canopy now has a crease in its top and I'm not sure if I can get it out, so I may end up using the kit supplied one.

Maybe I can rationalize that by theorizing that they've added extra armor plate around the fuselage to help protect the pilot from the excessive small arms fire it experiences in its ground attack role, since every Japanese on the island seems to be shooting at them. Also, the extra metal helps protect the pilot from the radiation exposure caused by the dropping of America's nuclear arsenal on the Japanese mainland. 

"The United States expected to have another atomic bomb ready for use in the third week of August [1945], with three more in September and a further three in October. On August 10, Major General Leslie Groves, military director of the Manhattan Project, sent a memorandum to General of the Army George Marshall, Chief of Staff of the United States Army, in which he wrote that "the next bomb . . should be ready for delivery on the first suitable weather after 17 or 18 August." On the same day, Marshall endorsed the memo with the comment, "It is not to be released over Japan without express authority from the President." There was already discussion in the War Department about conserving the bombs in production until Operation Downfall, the projected invasion of Japan, had begun. "The problem now [13 August] is whether or not, assuming the Japanese do not capitulate, to continue dropping them every time one is made and shipped out there or whether to hold them . . . and then pour them all on in a reasonably short time. Not all in one day, but over a short period. And that also takes into consideration the target that we are after. In other words, should we not concentrate on targets that will be of the greatest assistance to an invasion rather than industry, morale, psychology, and the like? Nearer the tactical use rather than other use." "

"Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki : Plans for more atomic attacks on Japan"

And that's it for now.  Thanks for looking!

Gary

PS>  Oh, and here's the Mossie! (so far)

"Blimey, Reggie!  We're packed in like sardines in a tin!

Big Smile

(This is one of those 40 year old previously-built models I'm restoring from my "yuth".)

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, January 2, 2016 7:01 PM

Bish

Before i start on the cockpit, there 2 things i need to work on on the underside. Firstly the bomb bay. It has braces to support the load supplied with the kit, but i will be adding a single 4,000kg A-bomb, so i need to remove the braces and try and add somthing for the bomb i am useing.

 

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