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75th Anniversary of 1942 (World at War)

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Friday, June 9, 2017 8:39 AM

Airframe is complete with decals. Skis on

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, June 10, 2017 8:47 PM

That is very effective, tj!  I like how you got the camouflage colors to peek through the white.  Nice!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Sunday, June 11, 2017 7:40 AM

My build is done. Thanks for letting me in this build. Can't wait for 1943

 

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, June 11, 2017 9:56 AM

TJ, that looks right on.Yes

Really captured the worn appearance of the field applied white wash, cool work.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:03 PM

Looks great, tj.  I really appreciate how that winter camouflage effect turned out.

If it's OK with you, I'll use the last photo for the completed build roster.  Show off your work very nicely.

Thanks for being part of the GB.  "Forty-three" will be here before you know it; and in the meantime, I'm sure you'll find plenty of other subjects to exercise your talents with.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by DantheMan85 on Sunday, June 18, 2017 5:22 PM

Thanks Checkmate.

Thanks Bish.

Excellent job Johnny, a job well done. White wash looks great.

This Panzer III has been a quick and easy build, I pre-shaded yesterday and applied a coat of Model Master Afrika Grunbrau '41 #2099.  Part's where dry fitted on for photo's.

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Posted by ManCityFan on Sunday, June 18, 2017 7:06 PM

That Panzer iii looks so good, I am going to have to do one.  LOL.  Actually, I would like in on the group build, as my next armor project is another from my "vintage" stash.  Tamiya PZKW iii ausf M.

I've had this for at least 30 years, so I think it is about time I built it.

Please add me to the GB list.

Thanks,

D

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:46 PM

That's going well, Dan.  Paint work is looking great.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:52 PM

Welcome to the GB, Dwayne.  Glad to have you joining in.

Your build is a blast-from-the-past.  I remember having this panzer back in the 1970's. And it came with that great looking group of soldiers.  

I look forward to watching your project! 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by ManCityFan on Monday, June 19, 2017 5:42 PM

Did some research on the pzkpw III ausf M and the decal markings for the Tamiya kit.  Comes with two options, and I have chosen the 14th Panzer Division markings.  Based on the history I read, the most likely scenario for those markings would be the Summer campaign in Russia that eventually led to the destruction of the 14th at Stalingrad.

The color callouts in the instructions are for dark yellow and red-brown, but since this is a 1942 build, that can't be right, since dark yellow wasn't introduced until 1943, correct?  I plan to use panzer dark grey.

Further research into this version of the pzkpw III was a little confusing, but from what I can gather, the early version of the M did not have schurzen installed at until after the time period we are modelling.  

If any of this is incorrect, I would appreciate your comments.

Thanks,

D

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, June 19, 2017 6:30 PM

D:  I haven't built any armor in years, but I found this on militarymodelling.com:

1939 - 1943; Outside panzer grey, Base primer colour German red primer. Interiior ivory
 
1943 - 1945: Outside German yellow. Base primer colour German red primer. Interior German yellow

Here's a link to the page:

http://www.militarymodelling.com/forums/postings.asp?th=49777

I have no idea about the Schuertzen, but no doubt one of the armor experts knows when they appeared.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, June 19, 2017 8:03 PM

Hi Dwayne, can't offer much more on the Panzer IIIm than what has already been stated.  Only 250 were produced between October '42 to February '43.  The Schürzen were issued as kits in the spring of '43, so obviously none of the panzers left the factory with the extra armour, rather being fitted at field workshops.

Haven't been able to find anything in he way of an allocation table for the M series, so can't say either way if they were present at Stalingrad.  If they were, it is possible they were sent in the same tropical colours as the DAK vehicles, since the sector was considered as a southern climate.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by ManCityFan on Monday, June 19, 2017 9:27 PM

jgeratic

Hi Dwayne, can't offer much more on the Panzer IIIm than what has already been stated.  Only 250 were produced between October '42 to February '43.  The Schürzen were issued as kits in the spring of '43, so obviously none of the panzers left the factory with the extra armour, rather being fitted at field workshops.

Haven't been able to find anything in he way of an allocation table for the M series, so can't say either way if they were present at Stalingrad.  If they were, it is possible they were sent in the same tropical colours as the DAK vehicles, since the sector was considered as a southern climate.

regards,

Jack

 

Hi Jack.  I checked kits from other manufacturers, and Dragon has front cover art for a III ausf M in panzer grey and no schurzen, so I will consider that as confirmation that they existed.  

I did read somewhere in my research that some were painted in the tropen scheme and then re-routed to Russia, so you are correct that this is a possibility.  

Just finished a DAK kit, and want to try panzer grey on this one.  I think this will be accurate. 

Thanks for the reply,

D

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Posted by DantheMan85 on Friday, June 30, 2017 7:28 PM

Thanks MancityFan: Welcome aboard, looking forward to your Panzer III build.

Thanks Checkmateking.

Have most of the painting done, just adding on parts to the hull. The road wheel's fit so tight that I did not have to use any glue, a little bit of paint gets on them and the fit it nice and tight. Only the return wheels I had to glue. I'll be gluing the tracks to the top of the return wheels tomorrow. Also will be including a figure from a Tamiya Panzer II kit.

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Up Coming: ?

           

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, June 30, 2017 8:31 PM

One very sharp looking panzer, Dan.  The paintwork is gorgeous!

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, July 1, 2017 5:40 AM

ManCityFan

Did some research on the pzkpw III ausf M and the decal markings for the Tamiya kit.  Comes with two options, and I have chosen the 14th Panzer Division markings.  Based on the history I read, the most likely scenario for those markings would be the Summer campaign in Russia that eventually led to the destruction of the 14th at Stalingrad.

The color callouts in the instructions are for dark yellow and red-brown, but since this is a 1942 build, that can't be right, since dark yellow wasn't introduced until 1943, correct?  I plan to use panzer dark grey.

Further research into this version of the pzkpw III was a little confusing, but from what I can gather, the early version of the M did not have schurzen installed at until after the time period we are modelling.  

If any of this is incorrect, I would appreciate your comments.

Thanks,

D

 

The colour call out on that does seem a bit odd, but then it is a very old Tamiya kit. My build for this GB, starting in a day or so, is a Pz II also in the Stalingrad sector, and the paint scheme is grey with some patches of yellow. As jack pointed out, this was the southern sector and i even seen to recall reading years ago that some tropical kit was sent to that area because of the climate and conditions.

So it could be possable that what tamiya are caling yellow and red brown could be Pz Grey with patches of yellow, posable the type used in Africa, applied over it. But this would be done in the field, so when it arrived at the front, it would have been grey, so you can't go wrong with that.

Thats in addition to the possability they were re-routed from Afica as you mention.

And your correct, no Schurzen.

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, July 1, 2017 5:43 AM

Dan, great job on that one.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, July 1, 2017 12:51 PM

Dan - really liking how it's shaping up.

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Bish - look forward to your Pz II build.

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ManCityFan and the Pz IIIM - I think Dwayne meant the colour callout on the instructions did not fit the intented setting for this GB?  The M variant ended production just as Dark yellow was being introduced, but the intial Dunkelgelb paint had been around for a while in civilian use for farm machinary - so who knows.

There is some opinion that the IIIM never made it to Stalingrad, the battle being too deep in enemy territory to make it there in time.  When you think about it, there really is a small window of a chance that it would be available as a reinforcement.  Around the third week of November Stalingrad was completely surrounded.  Might be an idea to ask the folks over at missing-lynx as many are up to speed on the latest literature/research.

regards,

Jack

 

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:15 PM

jgeratic

Dan - really liking how it's shaping up.

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Bish - look forward to your Pz II build.

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ManCityFan and the Pz IIIM - I think Dwayne meant the colour callout on the instructions did not fit the intented setting for this GB?  The M variant ended production just as Dark yellow was being introduced, but the intial Dunkelgelb paint had been around for a while in civilian use for farm machinary - so who knows.

There is some opinion that the IIIM never made it to Stalingrad, the battle being too deep in enemy territory to make it there in time.  When you think about it, there really is a small window of a chance that it would be available as a reinforcement.  Around the third week of November Stalingrad was completely surrounded.  Might be an idea to ask the folks over at missing-lynx as many are up to speed on the latest literature/research.

regards,

Jack

 

 

I agree, i think it unlikely the Ausf M would have made it into the city. With production only begining in Sept, thoug it may very well have been in the Stalingrad sector in the drive to relieve the city.

It could be that Ausf L's seen in thye city could be confused with M's. From what i can tell, mainly through Panzer Tracts, the main differances between the 2 revoved around fitting it for deep wading, most of which would not be visible.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, July 1, 2017 5:21 PM

Good discussion, chaps!  Thanks.  I know virtually nothing about armor; it's good to have around those who do.

Also wanted to let everyone know that I have re-posted the group badge and the photos of the completed models on the front page, using a new host, following the photobucket travesty.

If there is anything I can do to help if you lost something, I'll be glad to.

Thanks y'all.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, July 2, 2017 6:37 AM

Time for me to get going on my first, and probably only, armour build of the year. Dragons Pz II Ausf F.

I will be adding a Voyager PE set and metal 2cm barrel from Lion Marc. The vehicle will be one belonging to the 22 Pz Div in Stalingrad. I have not cut any plastic yet, but did get a head start on the base over the last couple of weeks. As with the E-100 Jg pz i did last year, i am useing a building from Great Norh Roads. This is a facory ruin which i think is in keeping with the Stalingrad setting.

I'll be making a start on the kit later today, so hopefilly some progress later in the week.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Sunday, July 2, 2017 11:39 AM

Bish:  that promises to be really sharp; always liked the look of the Pz II; and that setting will be just what it needs.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, July 2, 2017 11:57 AM

Thanks check. Its about time i did a bit more early war stuff.

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Posted by ManCityFan on Tuesday, July 4, 2017 3:55 PM

Lost this thread for a bit.  Thanks for the discussion regarding the panzer III M.  The main difference between the L and M was the ability for deep wading.   While this version came out in 1942, it was late in the year.  The color callout in the instructions would have been for tanks produced in 1943.  Painting in grey would place this build as one of the first few built.  I can certainly do this as a DAK tank with the 21st Panzer Division if the 14th is not historically accurate. 

There are definitely some nice builds going on for this group build, and will be following every one.  Dantheman has already set the bar pretty high for a Panzer III build.  Tempestjohnny knocked it out of the park with his IL-2.  Check's Hawk is awesome, and Tonka's figure is awesome as well.

Got a start on my Panzer III.  Running wheels are done.  Working at the moment on shaving off the molded on two cable.  Did not look good.  Got an AM set of tow cables from ebay.  Was going to make my own, but wasn't sure how to scratcth the loops.

Recently purchased a flex shaft grinder, so this will give me a chance to try it out.

Once this is done, it should move along fairly quickly. 

Please let me know if the pics don't show up.  Trying a new, less annoying way of posting pics.  I am seeing them, but apparently that doesn't mean other can.

Thanks,

D

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, July 4, 2017 4:00 PM

Good to see you have your pics sorted, nice to see it started. Its a good idea removing those cables.

 

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Posted by ManCityFan on Tuesday, July 4, 2017 4:24 PM

jgeratic

Dan - really liking how it's shaping up.

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Bish - look forward to your Pz II build.

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ManCityFan and the Pz IIIM - I think Dwayne meant the colour callout on the instructions did not fit the intented setting for this GB?  The M variant ended production just as Dark yellow was being introduced, but the intial Dunkelgelb paint had been around for a while in civilian use for farm machinary - so who knows.

There is some opinion that the IIIM never made it to Stalingrad, the battle being too deep in enemy territory to make it there in time.  When you think about it, there really is a small window of a chance that it would be available as a reinforcement.  Around the third week of November Stalingrad was completely surrounded.  Might be an idea to ask the folks over at missing-lynx as many are up to speed on the latest literature/research.

regards,

Jack

 

 

Jack, you are correct.  The color callout on the instructions would not fit the time period.

Looks like I will be joining the missing-lynx forum.  Wow, those guys know their stuff.  I could read their posts all day.

Bish, I am looking forward to seeing your Panzer II, and your thoughts on the kit.  Just got a couple of dragon kits, and quite frankly, am a little intimidated.  I have read that their instructions tend to be "vague". 

Thanks for the information,

D

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Posted by jgeratic on Tuesday, July 4, 2017 5:16 PM

Dwayne, glad to have introduced  you to missing-lynx, it's the first place I head to when searching for specifics concerning WW2 land warfare.  I did spend a few minutes using their search engine, but could not find anything pertaining  to the panzer IIIM at  Stalingrad.

Just my opinion, I think you could still do a Russsian front panzer grey vehicle, maybe as a replacement on its way there?  Just difficult to pinpoint an exact unit, maybe work it from a different angle and research which panzer units were currently  on rest and refit at that point in time.  Fully understand why you want to depict something at Stalingrad, as it was a huge turning point in 1942.

regards,

Jack

 

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Posted by ManCityFan on Wednesday, July 5, 2017 2:59 PM

jgeratic

Dwayne, glad to have introduced  you to missing-lynx, it's the first place I head to when searching for specifics concerning WW2 land warfare.  I did spend a few minutes using their search engine, but could not find anything pertaining  to the panzer IIIM at  Stalingrad.

Just my opinion, I think you could still do a Russsian front panzer grey vehicle, maybe as a replacement on its way there?  Just difficult to pinpoint an exact unit, maybe work it from a different angle and research which panzer units were currently  on rest and refit at that point in time.  Fully understand why you want to depict something at Stalingrad, as it was a huge turning point in 1942.

regards,

Jack

 

 

Hey Jack,

I have applied to be on the forum at M-L, and am awaiting approval to post.  I see that you have posted regarding the Panzer III ausf M, and I do appreciate that.

I get where you are coming from.  The III ausf M version must have gone to some units in 1942, the quesion is where?  The reply you received stated that the version was not normally listed, but rather as Pzkw III Lang, which could be an M, but could also be an L.  I am anxious to see if you get a response to your follow-up.  If that forum can't answer the question, I don't know who can.  They really are incredibly well informed.

Thanks again for taking the time to inquire on my behalf,

D

 

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, July 5, 2017 3:49 PM

Hi Dan, yes no problem about my posting on the other forum, as it has got me curious as well.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, July 5, 2017 4:04 PM

Check has been kind enough to allow me to enter the 1/48 Italeri Hurricane Mk.1 Trop even though it was started yesterday and I got fairly far into it.

Here is what I have so far.

The newly released kit from Italeri seems to be very nice. Good detail and excellent fit. It comes with a nicely detailed Merlin engine and some PE for the cockpit and. I will be displaying it in the desert with the cowling off to display the beautiful Merlin.

The cockpit and engine.

Both assemblies in the fuse half.

Steve

Steve

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