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C-47 Skytrain/Dakota/DC-3 GB

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Posted by Keyda81 on Sunday, October 14, 2018 8:48 PM

modelcrazy, I got you down as a maybe!

GAF, I never even knew Nasa used the C-47 as well.  Learn something new everyday!

B-36Andy, I'll get you added to the roster.  I can't remember if I've used Draw decals or not.  I think I may have, since the name sounds familiar.  I'm pretty sure I used them on an old Otaki C-5 Galaxy.  Didn't have any issues with them that I can recall. 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, October 14, 2018 10:54 PM

Thanks Keyda,

Go ahead and put me down for the 1/72 Airfix Dakota Mk.IV, you have my intrest piqued. I'll probably get it soon and start on it in Jan. I don't know if I'll do it in the NASA livery or BOAC but probably the BOAC.

Steve

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Posted by keavdog on Sunday, October 14, 2018 10:59 PM

B-36Andy

I'd like to do a Monogram DC-3 in 1/48. I have Draw Decals of Delta Ship 41. 

Anyone used Draw decals before?

 

I have used Draw decals on a number of kits.  They are super thin and on a continuous film so they require careful trimming.  Thin but durable.  They will easily fold over on themselves but are recoverable.  They react well to setting solution and I have always finished with a clear coat.  Greg has a great catalog.  I ordered the Alaskan airlines decals set for my tiny 1:200 DC-3.

Thanks,

John

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, October 14, 2018 11:18 PM

I've used them before on a British Airways 747. Like Keavdog said they are super thin and need to be cut out but are very nice once they're on.

Steve

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Posted by Keyda81 on Monday, October 15, 2018 8:46 AM

modelcrazy

Thanks Keyda,

Go ahead and put me down for the 1/72 Airfix Dakota Mk.IV, you have my intrest piqued. I'll probably get it soon and start on it in Jan. I don't know if I'll do it in the NASA livery or BOAC but probably the BOAC.

 

Added to the roster!  I think we'll land up with quite the variety in paint schemes with this GB.  I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone does!

keavdog, I still can't picture just how small that DC-3 is going to be!  You must have very steady hands, I fumble with small parts all the time!  I usually send them flying to the carpet monster.  EDIT:I googled a picture of that kit, and all I can say is wow!  The smallest thing I've built so far is 1/144 B-58.  It didn't seem that small while I was building it, I think the 1/144 Herc's gave me more trouble than the Hustler.  I do have a 1/200 Herc in the stash, I think that will be the smallest one I ever try!

 

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Posted by kg4kpg on Monday, October 15, 2018 9:13 AM

Count me in please. If I can get a custom sheet made I've been wanting I'll build a 1/144 and 1/72 DC-3.

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Posted by Keyda81 on Monday, October 15, 2018 9:46 AM

kg4kpg

Count me in please. IF I can get a custom sheet made I've been wanting I'll build a 1/144 and 1/72 DC-3.

 

You've been added to the roster!

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, October 15, 2018 2:44 PM

Great subject Keyda, you have a good looking roster with a lot of heavy hitters.

Steve

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Posted by Keyda81 on Monday, October 15, 2018 6:58 PM

modelcrazy

Great subject Keyda, you have a good looking roster with a lot of heavy hitters.

 

Credit has to go to GAF for the idea, he had mentioned having a group build in a thread I posted back in February about Whiskey 7 and her unique coloring.  I am certainly glad he mentioned it! 

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Posted by B-36Andy on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:43 AM

Thanks for adding me to the list Keyda.

Here's an out of the box question. Has anyone tried adding something to the leading edges to simulate ice buildup??

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Posted by Keyda81 on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 11:57 AM

B-36Andy

Thanks for adding me to the list Keyda.

Here's an out of the box question. Has anyone tried adding something to the leading edges to simulate ice buildup??

 

No problem!  Can't say I've tried that, but I'm pretty sure there are some products out there for simulating ice.  I do taxidermy occasionally, and I have heard of people using a hot glue gun, and glue sticks for simulating ice. 

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 12:04 PM

I've looked at some pictures online. The general appearance seems to be like snow, white crystals. 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:56 PM

It depends on the type of icing, clear or rime icing.  Clear icing happens when you fly into super cooled liquid state precip and it as the name indicates looks clear.  It builds rapidly and can take on a ropy appearance as it extends back on the wing, but mostly it builds up on the leading edges of wings and intake scoops.  It can build very rapidly and the wise pilot will depart for a different altitiude as soon as possible.  Rime icing is when previously frozen precip is flown into and it builds more slowly than clear ice, and will have a rough appearance unlike the smoother appearance of clear ice.  Oddly enough snow never sticks, it's a lot more fun to fly in.

It would have to be severe icing to still be on the airplane when it lands, you normally never see that as the lower altitudes are above freezing and the ice leaves before the airplane lands.  It takes a very unwise pilot to head for an airport below freezing on the ground when he is in icing conditions.  Poor braking coefficient and an airplane whose performance is suffering from a load of ice is a really bad combination.

John

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Posted by keavdog on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 11:50 AM

My little DC3 (1:200) arrived and it's tiny!

 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by lewbud on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 1:10 PM

GAF

Modelcrazy>  You know, if I wanted to kill two birds with one stone, maybe this scheme would be appropriate?

Big Smile

Gary

 

I've got a Microscale sheet somewhere with those markings. May have to do some digging in the decal stash.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 1:13 PM

lewbud

 

 
GAF

Modelcrazy>  You know, if I wanted to kill two birds with one stone, maybe this scheme would be appropriate?

Big Smile

Gary

 

 

 

I've got a Microscale sheet somewhere with those markings. May have to do some digging in the decal stash.

 

If that's the case, I may have to build two, one in NASA and the other in BOAC.

Steve

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Posted by Keyda81 on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 2:19 PM

jeaton01, I've learned something new today!  Ice is something frequently dealt with in my neck of the woods.  It's often below freezing for at least a few months straight in the winter time.  Sometimes with wind chills it gets to -20 or so.  I'm not looking forward to that at all.

keavdog, Wow!  That is tiny.  It's a baby DC-3, lol.  On the bright side it shouldn't take long to complete, since there isn't a ton of detail.  I like those builds sometimes.  Like if I'm waiting for a GB to start, and there isn't enough time to build a bigger kit.  I'm probably going to be there for what is going to seem like forever with the 1/48 kit I have, and all the aftermarket, and scratch building I plan on putting into it.

lewbud, modelcrazy, I can't wait to see what you guys land up doing! 

 

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Posted by scottrc on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 3:42 PM

Keyda,

Please put me down as a strong maybe with a 1/72 Airfix DC3.  

Scott

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 3:46 PM

John, remember the story in Fate is the Hunter where they get severe icing and have to backfire the carbs?

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GAF
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Posted by GAF on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 5:07 PM

Lewbud, Modelcrazy> Might want to get with Real G as the NASA C-47s were used to tow the M2F1 lifting body aloft for drop tests. That's what he's building in the Race Into Space GB.  Smile

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/armstrong/multimedia/graphics/EG-0016-01.html

Gary

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 5:40 PM

It amazes me that the DC-3/C-47 was used so much for towing, they look so underpowered, like they should have 4 engines instead of 2. They clearly had quite a bit of towing capacity.

Steve

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Posted by Keyda81 on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 8:36 PM

Added to the roster scottrc!

modelcrazy, I know good old Whiskey 7 didn't have any trouble barreling down a grass runway with 18 people on board, lol.  She picked up speed surprisingly quick. 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 8:40 PM

GMorrison

John, remember the story in Fate is the Hunter where they get severe icing and have to backfire the carbs?

 

 
Sure do, Bill.  That was induction icing, happens in the intake where pressure drops can lower the air temperature and cause ice to form.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by B-36Andy on Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:24 PM

John--

Sounds like you have some experience with icing!

This DC-3 would need to ice up quick so the de icers wouldn't have time to break the ice. I build most of my planes wheels up so it could be in the air with a icing problem! Now to find some good pics of clear icing----

I've always heard that a DC-2 could carry a bucket load of ice and still stay in the air--but the DC-3 not so much.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, October 21, 2018 7:54 PM

B-36Andy

I've always heard that a DC-2 could carry a bucket load of ice and still stay in the air--but the DC-3 not so much.

Since the -2 had no de-icing boots, I guess they either came back loaded with ice, or...didn't.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, October 21, 2018 9:04 PM

Finaly dug out my entry from the stash. I purchased the decals from Atlantic Models several years ago. One set had damaged printing when i received it. I contacted them and a second replacement set was sent. These markigs are from the second repaint of the Cubana DC3s around 1950. 

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, October 21, 2018 9:56 PM

I'd take those Finnair decals in a minute. This is cool- early days of modern airline travel.

What a marvelous and unusual kit. It is an Italeri descendant.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, October 21, 2018 10:51 PM

This would be cool to research and scratch if I had the time, but alas, too many projects.

Steve

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Posted by Keyda81 on Monday, October 22, 2018 2:55 PM

Now that is one interesting, and odd at the same time, lol.

 

I'll be working with a good old Monogram kit for this build.....

With some aftermarket, and scratch build stuff.

I don't usually dive into scratch building much at all, so hopefully I do alright.  Mostly planning on the gust locks, and wheel chocks for now.  Still trying to figure out a way to replicate the seats inside Whiskey 7.  They aren't the standard ones.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, October 22, 2018 3:40 PM

Those look like normal benches to me. What's your thought?

IIRC the kit comes with some version of those, although maybe the underside is solid, not legs. And all that webbing would be added, plus the ribs and longerons.

EDIT: Looking at some websites, the detail is sorta there. There aren't enough bench legs and they look too thick, and the ribs aren't deep enough.

One of the better parts of that kit are the little troops.

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