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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, May 15, 2020 8:29 AM

I agree with Bill.

I'm not much on the salt traetment myself, never worked for me. For my hulls, when I do actually build a ship on a stand instead of a seascape, I'll use an airbrush, oils, and drybrushing to get the effect I want. Unless it's just out of the yard it'll have a skum line, barnicals, and other nasties attacing themselves to the "anitfouling" paint and boot top.

I like your boot top and the fading, almost scraping on the bow (saltwater is a hell-of-an abrasive), but would go darker overall.

That's just my 2 cents

God that thing is big!!

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, May 15, 2020 8:55 AM

Mongoose: I have no idea how accurate that is but it sure looks cool! 

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Posted by Keyserj on Friday, May 15, 2020 2:53 PM

Just started on the Kitty Hawk. So far, assembly as gone pretty smooth except for a few minor fit issues with the area on the backside of the ship where the SAMs will go. most of the hull is done and I just have to add a few more assemblies on the sides and the propellers.  " alt="" />  " alt="" />  " alt="" />

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Posted by TheMongoose on Sunday, May 17, 2020 7:12 PM

modelcrazy

I agree with Bill.

I'm not much on the salt traetment myself, never worked for me. For my hulls, when I do actually build a ship on a stand instead of a seascape, I'll use an airbrush, oils, and drybrushing to get the effect I want. Unless it's just out of the yard it'll have a skum line, barnicals, and other nasties attacing themselves to the "anitfouling" paint and boot top.

I like your boot top and the fading, almost scraping on the bow (saltwater is a hell-of-an abrasive), but would go darker overall.

That's just my 2 cents

God that thing is big!!

 

 

Bill & Steve, When you say go darker are you both saying the red should be darker? 

If so I'm thinking of going over it with a "smoke". Any thoughts on that or would you add black to the hull red I used and spray a mist coat over all of it? I'd like something to fade everything together. I think I can bring all our odeas together on this and finish it out.

Gamera, thanks buddy glad you like it! 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, May 18, 2020 9:39 AM

Yes, a little darker red, with streaks of faded red. I never thought about a smoke coat. You can give it a try.

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Posted by TheMongoose on Monday, May 18, 2020 2:20 PM

Thanks MC. Will put together something later this week, maybe the weekend because I am making headway on the hangar bay!

While I was working on getting the walls up and decals on I had an epiphany while wandering through Home Depot :-) I realized last week that the scheme I was doing with the sailors on deck required the elevators to be UP. Hmmm, going to make it way harder to see in the hangar bay when it's shadowed by the elevators. Ran by the magnet rack and found they have many more sizes now! So, after seeing the squirrel, I ventured off and started working on an elevator instead lol

 

 

To hold it up I have 3 magnets installed.

 

 

This is the only one you can see, and only when I have the elevator DOWN, so I will camouflage it.

 

 

 

You gotta love magnets. These neodymium ones don't even have to be close to each other to work!

 

 

I'll do the other 2 the same way. The #1 elevator on this model doesn't go down so I'm stuck with it unless I want to cut up the flight deck...which I don't because that elevator is totally different from the others and didn't come with guides to go up and down either...see how I'm talking myself out of this. I bet I don't do it even 2-3 pages of replies into the future LOL

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, May 18, 2020 3:10 PM

Yep, magnets are tight!. You can use them to suspend a plane so it looks like it's flying. Look ma, no strings!

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Posted by Keyserj on Monday, May 18, 2020 4:06 PM

      I have a quick question for you guys. I want to fold the wings on the planes. How should I go about doin this?

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Posted by TheMongoose on Monday, May 18, 2020 6:49 PM

I messed around and finally found something that kept the wing tips attached Broken Heart I started with plane upside down. using a fine razor saw ai cut across the wingfold joint. Fortunately all my planes had a mark on both leading and trailing edge. Making sure the edges had a slight cut and that I didn't go more than half way through resulted in folds where the wing stayed attached. My preference was this look rather than cutting off the tip and gluing it vertical. I just thought it looked better. See what kind of answers you get and pick what you like best Smile

please excuse the seam lines. These were my practice set and I hadn't realized where the mold lines were till after i got paint on them...of course lol

edit-forgot to mention, i put a dab of tamiya super thin cement on the fold and let it set so i could adjust the angle slowly and make sure it stayed straight. Then the next day once i confirmed they stayed straight I put a dab of medium CA on the joint to fix it permanently. Without this the joint is weak.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:17 AM

Keyserj

      I have a quick question for you guys. I want to fold the wings on the planes. How should I go about doin this?

 

I believe Mongoose answered that with he's new idea, otherwise I wouldn't have a clue either.

Smart Chris, the plastic will hold much better than the glue would.

Are you going to do that to the Tomcat's wings? Confused

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:45 AM

Mongoose: I'd not have thought of using magnets to hold the elevators in place- clever idea and it looks good!!! Heart

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Posted by Keyserj on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 9:06 AM

Mongoose: I tried your technique last night on one a test plane and it turned out perfect. It will be a little time consuming but makes the model more realistic.

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Now onto progress from the weekend. It has rained the past three days and will continue to do so for a couple more days so I have not been able to prime parts for the deck and superstructure. Because of this I decided to start on the base. I mashed together two water base techniques I have seen done on YouTube, aluminum foil and toilet paper (No wonder there is a toilet paper shortageBig Smile).  

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I was also able to finish up the propellers and rudders on the ship and she will be ready for priming once I clean the gaps up.

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Edit: How can rid of the dimensions that show up on the side of my pics?

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:31 AM

John: Both the folded wing on the A-6 and the ocean look really good! Please keep us posted as you continue to work on this. I'm learning a lot!!! 

 

Sorry, no idea what's going on with your posting though. 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 1:23 PM

Excelent John.

I don't use Postimage so I have no idea.

Steve

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Posted by TheMongoose on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:50 PM

WooHoo John glad that turned out well for you. Sure looks right smart from here! How many planes do you have to do?

Oh one thing I forgot about...I bent the wings and then realized I would have to put tape over every one to paint the top of the planes. Duh! If you can I would suiggest painting bottom and top 1st then doing the bending. I think it could be cleaner based on what I did. Give it some thought at least before having one of my senior moments lol

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Posted by Keyserj on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:10 PM

I have 42 planes +2 helos. I already was planning on doing the paint before bending the wings because it would be pretty hard to hand paint camo on folded wings. Here is the first sprue of camo. I masked areas off with silly putty that I got from the dollar store.

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:55 PM

Keyserj

I have 42 planes +2 helos. I already was planning on doing the paint before bending the wings because it would be pretty hard to hand paint camo on folded wings. Here is the first sprue of camo. I masked areas off with silly putty that I got from the dollar store.

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Yeah, sounds a lot easier to paint them and then bend the wings!

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:24 PM

Keyserj

I have 42 planes +2 helos. I already was planning on doing the paint before bending the wings because it would be pretty hard to hand paint camo on folded wings. Here is the first sprue of camo. I masked areas off with silly putty that I got from the dollar store.

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What camo scheme is that?

 

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Posted by TheMongoose on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 12:31 PM

Horribly dreary and rainy day here. Finished up decals in the hangar bay! Here's just a broad pic of them to show how it's turning out.  clearcoat and then it's back on the planes. Gotta start the roof as well...


you might see a decal or two(?) from my F-18 haha didn't have any triangles so I cut them from the danger decals for the cockpit!

Edit- MC asked how I did the dots for tie-downs. I did the design on my Silhouette Cameo3, printed onto medium tac clear friskett film, rolled out on the deck and sprayed line after line in white and light gray lol Beats the heck out of the toothpick method i may have to use on the flight deck where there are raised panel lines to call them out. Must think about that someday...

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Posted by Keyserj on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 12:41 PM

GMorrison

 

 
Keyserj

I have 42 planes +2 helos. I already was planning on doing the paint before bending the wings because it would be pretty hard to hand paint camo on folded wings. Here is the first sprue of camo. I masked areas off with silly putty that I got from the dollar store.

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What camo scheme is that?

 

 

Bill

 

It is just a random camo pattern but it is kinda based off the photo below.

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Posted by TheMongoose on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:12 PM

Ready to add an Air Wing! Flat coat on walls, hoses added to hangers on wall, some railing and ladders from the FFG added, plus a few misc piping runs put up to break up the walls a bit. Super happy with the mural too. 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:43 AM

A ton of work there. I love that mural of the past Enterprizes. Yes

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:30 AM

modelcrazy

A ton of work there. I love that mural of the past Enterprizes. Yes

 

Oh wow yeah!!! 

Great job all around! 

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Posted by Keyserj on Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:55 AM

The hangar looks good goose. Keep up the good work.

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Posted by Keyserj on Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:53 AM

I got the base all painted up last night. It still needs a gloss coat and the sides of the board need to be cleaned up and painted black. I am in need of some advice on where to place cotton to represent sea spray. 

Hopefully I can get back to finishing up the air wing when I get more time at the bench this weekend.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, May 21, 2020 1:35 PM

Keyserj
I am in need of some advice on where to place cotton to represent sea spray. 

Anywhere there may be white caps or turbulence.

I will spray the water with a light blue where the turbulence will be, add some cotton, then use thin acrylic varnish over that, and don't forget to put the cotton at the boundry layer at the hull.

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Posted by TheMongoose on Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:23 PM

Keyserj

I am in need of some advice on where to place cotton to represent sea spray. 

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John if you go back around page 41 toward the bottom MC has some great detail shots that show where he added the cotton and the coloring. Between there and pg47 Ben has some shots of his carrier following MC's tutorial and then in that same range you can find some of my USS New York as well but I think the carrier and MC's tutorial is what you want.

cant wait to see it come together. Looks like you captured the wake right off the stern perfectly.

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Posted by Keyserj on Friday, May 22, 2020 7:52 AM

Thank you all for the reference photos and advice. Here is what I have so far. I can always take or add more cotton because it is fixed by water for now but what are your thoughts on it?

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, May 22, 2020 8:41 AM

John: No expert here but it looks cool!!! 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, May 22, 2020 9:07 AM

KeyserJ

Wet it with the Varnish and add some very small pieces by pulling a few threads out of the cotton ball or whatever you are using and add them between the wakes. If you look at the refernce photo, white caps are all along the wake and disturbance. Most of the seascape mistakes are made by builders don't use enough turbulance and white water.

Here's a 1/700 from Kostas Katseas that show what I'm talking about. Just a random pattern of turbulence.

Also, be mindfull of the Kelvin wave system. There is a very precise mathamatical construct to every wake patern, be it a ship, duck or bug on the water...it's all the same. Here's an artical I found that helped me.

http://www.steelnavy.com/WavePatterns.htm

Unless it's a large spray, the white water needs to be "wet" like foam

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