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  • Member since
    August 2014
  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Monday, September 2, 2019 11:48 PM

Glad it went to a good home.  You'll do a great job on her, way, way better than my efforts.

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    July 2014
Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, September 2, 2019 10:59 PM

Thanks GH, It was great to meet both of you as well, and thank you so much for the kit. Since my old "The Sulivans" was damaged in battle and scuttled. It was great to get a new one on the ways, to rebuild as the USS Johnston. I'll get that and the Point Class Cutter on the list.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, September 2, 2019 6:37 PM

goldhammer

Had a great brunch with the Admiral and SecNav this morning.  Was great to meet him in person and a real treat.

Too bad I know that none of his talent stayed behind or rubbed off.Smile

 

That is really cool GH. I wish we’d all organize a meet somewhere, like a class reunion. It would be so cool to meet everybody.

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, September 2, 2019 6:32 PM

goldhammer

I think your barrel setback is just about right.

As long as all the other barrels are the same length, I really doubt any rivet counter will notice unless they have put a tape on both the1:1 and a micrometer on the finished product.

The way you're going she will be a show stopper.

 

Hey thanks, GH. I just rechecked things and to my amazement it checks correct. I saved the kit turret and I matched them side by side, everything I did matches spot on, and even the tape is correct. Wow, I guess it’s one of those days where I overthank things. Onward ho as they say.

Thanks for the vote of confidence too. 

 

  • Member since
    August 2014
  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Monday, September 2, 2019 6:21 PM

Had a great brunch with the Admiral and SecNav this morning.  Was great to meet him in person and a real treat.

Too bad I know that none of his talent stayed behind or rubbed off.Smile

  • Member since
    August 2014
  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Monday, September 2, 2019 6:18 PM

I think your barrel setback is just about right.

As long as all the other barrels are the same length, I really doubt any rivet counter will notice unless they have put a tape on both the1:1 and a micrometer on the finished product.

The way you're going she will be a show stopper.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, September 2, 2019 5:29 PM

TheMongoose

Thinking about the scale and what you’re trying to show I think it may be best as it will be obvious it is in recoil and more people will note the difference without having to point it out to them. 

 

Thanks Mongoose. I didn't make it too clear, but I did find another image that showed the turret further back than what my first recoil image does, so GM was onto something. Where I mounted the turret is probably at the extreme end of that spectrum, but you hit the nail on the head on why I did it that way.

I tell ya--I always spot my errors when I post images. The spacing from the back wall of the blast bags to the vinyl tape is too long. I forgot to factor the thickness of the pieces already mounted. I need to move the tape closer by about 1/32. Unfortunately, I think that the turrets will be sticking out too far by about 1mm. My calculation error played into how deep I located the turrets. I guess it's nothing to cry over. Crying  LOL

 

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    January 2015
Posted by TheMongoose on Monday, September 2, 2019 4:47 PM

Bakster I hear what you’re saying about being extreme on the recoil. Thinking about the scale and what you’re trying to show I think it may be best as it will be obvious it is in recoil and more people will note the difference without having to point it out to them. You sure are doing a bang up job on them!

In the pattern: Scale Shipyard's 1/48 Balao Class Sub! leaning out the list...NOT! Ha, added to it again - Viper MkVii, 1/32 THUD & F-15J plus a weekend madness build!

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, September 2, 2019 4:29 PM

GMorrison

It's hard to know where that 16" rifle is in it's recoil sequence, but probably still had a bit more to travel. Rough estimate from the diameter of the barrel at the muzzle (say 24"), that recoil looks to be a bit less.

That suggests about 1/32" in the scale, which seems pretty minimal to me. The best tell seems to be that black sleeve around the base of the barrel.

 

Thanks for crunching the numbers, Bill. I wondered about this as well, searching out another image where the turret looks further back than what I posted. My final position for the turret might be extreme, but maybe not. Either way, it's good enough for my taste.

I mounted the turrets by tacking them from the backside using CA. While the glue was setting, I made final adjustments. Once dried, I added sprue-goo for good measure. 

The vinyl tape are for locators. This should help get consistent dimensions while modeling the blast bags, as well as to help create demarcation lines.

At first, I was leaning towards using sprue-goo to repair the blast bags, now I am thinking not. Spacing between the turrets is tight and odds are I will make a mess of things. Instead, I will use apoxie-sculpt. This should allow me plenty of time to model the pieces, and this stuff is pretty forgiving to make corrections, or at least up until it cures. That's what is next.

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, September 2, 2019 10:41 AM

Again those are awesome guys!

Mongoose: Welcome and wow that looks sharp! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, September 2, 2019 9:43 AM

It's hard to know where that 16" rifle is in it's recoil sequence, but probably still had a bit more to travel. Rough estimate from the diameter of the barrel at the muzzle (say 24"), that recoil looks to be a bit less.

That suggests about 1/32" in the scale, which seems pretty minimal to me. The best tell seems to be that black sleeve around the base of the barrel.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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    January 2015
Posted by TheMongoose on Monday, September 2, 2019 8:38 AM

In the pattern: Scale Shipyard's 1/48 Balao Class Sub! leaning out the list...NOT! Ha, added to it again - Viper MkVii, 1/32 THUD & F-15J plus a weekend madness build!

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, September 1, 2019 10:55 AM

Mongoose, looking really good.

Bakster, OK, yeah it might be noticeable in that scale. Those little extras and detail are the things that separate a good build from an excellent one.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, September 1, 2019 9:09 AM

goldhammer

I would venture that by the time you see the blast effect of flame and smoke the barrel would be at almost full recoil.

 

Don't know how much they recoiled though and the difference in scale.  Interesting thought though.

 

Here is an image I found that started my thinking about it. If you look at the foreground turret you can see how far the turret traveled, particularly by looking at the section closest to the blast bag. I think you are right in that it will be difficult to see at this scale but what the heck, I will go for it. 

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Sunday, September 1, 2019 12:50 AM

I would venture that by the time you see the blast effect of flame and smoke the barrel would be at almost full recoil.

 

Don't know how much they recoiled though and the difference in scale.  Interesting thought though.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, September 1, 2019 12:06 AM

TheMongoose

Worked on a couple things over the last few days. Those rafts or vents, not sure what they are, on the side of the exhaust stack were a pain. Only because they broke in half when removing from sprue. Haven’t had that problem sinc i was a kid. After breaking 4 of them i cut the sprue to reliveventension and they all came off ok. And after all that storyline...appears I forgot to take a picture. Will upload one tomorrow. For now here’s where I’m at. test fitting the superstructure.

 

 

 

Looking good Mongoose. Impressive work that you are doing.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, September 1, 2019 12:02 AM

modelcrazy

 

 
TheMongoose
love this idea. Will try it out myself. Genius, buy yourself a Guiness!

 

Ditto

Concerning gun elevation, for sailing the barrels were all set at similar degrees. During battle, or even practice, the barrels could be at different elevations. Showing the barrel in a recoil could be cool. Not sure if it would be noticeable in 1/700

 

Hey thanks Admiral. I will begin installing them tomorrow.

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    January 2015
Posted by TheMongoose on Sunday, September 1, 2019 12:02 AM

Worked on a couple things over the last few days. Those rafts or vents, not sure what they are, on the side of the exhaust stack were a pain. Only because they broke in half when removing from sprue. Haven’t had that problem sinc i was a kid. After breaking 4 of them i cut the sprue to reliveventension and they all came off ok. And after all that storyline...appears I forgot to take a picture. Will upload one tomorrow. For now here’s where I’m at. test fitting the superstructure.

 

In the pattern: Scale Shipyard's 1/48 Balao Class Sub! leaning out the list...NOT! Ha, added to it again - Viper MkVii, 1/32 THUD & F-15J plus a weekend madness build!

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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, August 31, 2019 5:49 PM

TheMongoose
love this idea. Will try it out myself. Genius, buy yourself a Guiness!

Ditto

Concerning gun elevation, for sailing the barrels were all set at similar degrees. During battle, or even practice, the barrels could be at different elevations. Showing the barrel in a recoil could be cool. Not sure if it would be noticeable in 1/700

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, August 31, 2019 5:13 PM

TheMongoose
love this idea. Will try it out myself. Genius, buy yourself a Guiness!

Thanks Mongoose!

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    January 2015
Posted by TheMongoose on Saturday, August 31, 2019 4:09 PM

Bakster

My turrets are done, and I made them out of brass tubing. I purchased a tubing assortment made by Albion Alloys LTD. These worked out great because each tube fit perfectly into the other and most importantly, they are the sizes I need. The supplier that I purchased them through is VCH Hobbies. The assortment comes with one each 12" lengths of 1.2mm, 1.4mm, 1.6mm, and 1.8mm. I think I paid $9 and change, not including shipping.

 

love this idea. Will try it out myself. Genius, buy yourself a Guiness!

In the pattern: Scale Shipyard's 1/48 Balao Class Sub! leaning out the list...NOT! Ha, added to it again - Viper MkVii, 1/32 THUD & F-15J plus a weekend madness build!

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, August 31, 2019 12:24 PM

My turrets are done, and I made them out of brass tubing. I purchased a tubing assortment made by Albion Alloys LTD. These worked out great because each tube fit perfectly into the other and most importantly, they are the sizes I need. The supplier that I purchased them through is VCH Hobbies. The assortment comes with one each 12" lengths of 1.2mm, 1.4mm, 1.6mm, and 1.8mm. I think I paid $9 and change, not including shipping.

Next to do is mount them within the turret housings. I have a few thoughts on that and please advise what you think:

1. In my research I found several USS WI images that show turrets at various elevations. It seems this ship allows for that. What is your opinion in mounting them at various elevations? Though technically correct, I wonder about the aesthetics of it. Will it look messed up?

2. As you know I plan on displaying the ship with a firing turret. My plan is to fire only one of them. Should I pose that turret in a recoil position? It may not even be noticed but why not do it I wonder.

 

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, August 31, 2019 10:17 AM

Hey Steve, enjoy your trip. I watched a show recently where some believe Sir Francis Drake hid his treasure there, so, don't go taking that treasure before I get to it. Lol.

Enjoy.

 

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    July 2014
Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, August 31, 2019 9:28 AM

KC, since ships take longer than most projects, the interest in the build wains and returns and life happens, is why the GB has no end date, don't worry about it. As long as I have a build logged down, it doesn't matter. 

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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    October 2009
Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:30 AM
The last PE set for my USS Missouri finally came in. Now as soon as I finish my German armor I'll start on it. Might take me a long while since we have to get several of our rental houses ready for sale over the next couple years. It seems like no mater what I try to do in starting a new model life pops up and sets me back. Still it will be fun to try.
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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Friday, August 30, 2019 11:46 PM

If staying on 20 all the way then Sharis in Lebanon is right on the main drag.  Time frame is fine, will PM my number for text contact/updates.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, August 30, 2019 11:09 PM

GH, our return trip is on Hwy 20 through Corvallis Monday morning. We won't have much time to stop but we would love to meet you for a quick cup of joe. I'll message you when we plan to leave with the approx time we'll be passing through and see if we can meet up. It'll probably be somewhere around 9 to10 am but I'll need to pin it down with the XO.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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  • Member since
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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, August 30, 2019 10:18 AM

Hey Steve, have a nice vacation and see you when you get back. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: 37deg 40.13' N 95deg 29.10'W
Posted by scottrc on Friday, August 30, 2019 9:31 AM

DRUMS01

I have been silent.... but watching.

I have to say that this GB is going great!. The PT109 looks like the real deal, and bakster's wood deck is just PERFECT. Those subs are looking really nice as well, I just love the Gato subs deck gun (WOW). Mach71 is bringing the Monogram sub up to a new level. Those modern surface ships are looking awesome too (details and PE). I can go on and on, but keep up the fantastic and inspiring work.

I will be posting eventually. 

Ben

 

 

 

Hey Ben, I'm docked from starting this GB too.  My bench is full at the moment with a aircraft carrier and a Satrun V rocket.  Maybe you and I will be in the second wave and keep this GB going for a long time.  I have my kit open and ready to start, just no room on the bench.

Yes, I'm full of puns today.

Steve, have fun the on Oregon coast. I really miss that area.  I will be doing a 100 mile bike ride in southeastern Kansas this weekend followed with two RC fun flys.  So no building on the model bench this weekend.

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, August 29, 2019 11:04 PM

Enjoy Admiral.  You have earned it.  If you are in the Lebanon/Albany/Corvallis area Sunday or Monday I'd be happy to buy you and SecNav a cup of grog.

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