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Posted by Sergeant on Thursday, July 9, 2020 1:01 PM

Bish
I use vallejo for figures, they have a good selection of colours for that.
 

A note regarding Vallejo paint... The 70.xxx series paint is designed for hand painting with a brush. The 71.xxx series paint (with Model Air on the label) is designed for use in an airbrush. You can use the 71.xxx series paint for hand painting with a brush, but it usually requires more than on coat.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, July 9, 2020 2:23 AM

Very nice Theuns, told you you would have it done before i got you on the roster Big Smile. Will try and do it later.

I use vallejo for figures, they have a good selection of colours for that.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, July 8, 2020 12:19 PM

Nice one, Theuns! Yes

Very fine scratch building done on the shield, and the whole display looks great.  It's surprising how well a 50 year old mold stands up when some extra care is put in.

Good point by Cliff, the back of the legs would usually be dug into the ground to prevent movement of the gun when fired.

 

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, July 8, 2020 11:14 AM

Harold: Glad you found out what you needed, I didn't have a friggin' clue! 

Theuns: Oh cool, that looks good! Only thing I'd add would be maybe have the tyres and trailing arms of the gun worked down in the 'dirt' a little more. Looks to me like the gun is sitting on top of it instead of down in it. Otherwise great show! Love the mud/dirt on the tyres and shield of the gun. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Theuns on Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:17 AM

I found painting the figures with the enamel does not work as well for me as using the correct valejo figure paint but its whatI had for now.

 

 IMG_20200708_164225 by Theunis van Vuuren, on Flickr

 IMG_20200708_164322 by Theunis van Vuuren, on Flickr

 IMG_20200708_164723 by Theunis van Vuuren, on Flickr

 

Theuns

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, July 8, 2020 2:05 AM

Glad it helped harold. I have never used any of these sets as i mostly use Xtracolor enamels which have most of the colours i need. In fact, the only area i have had trouble with is modern British armour. But a couple of years ago i spoke to a local modeller who builds 1/24th Fv 432's and he gave me the mix for British green which has worked out great.

Look forward to seeing the matador.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Sergeant on Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:35 PM

Bish

You got me there harold. I don't use vallejo for my vehicles, only really for figures, and i only build post war British armour. But, its its an army vehicle, the col,ours would be the same. For the RAF, i believe there vehicles were blue/grey in the UK but camoflaged when deployed over seas.

This link might be of some use, its just a case of trying to find the right vallejo colours.

https://www.mafva.org/british-vehicle-camouflage-1939-45/?v=79cba1185463

 

 

Bish, thank you for the above reference link. It turns out the information was exactly what I needed. Michael Starmer who is mentioned in the article (article heading below) is the person Vallejo called on to assist them in preparing six different World War II British color sets. The set I need is #71.614 shown below. On the back of the set is a guide that shows among other types an 'Austin K5' color reference of 71.038 and 71.005. That is the same color combination used on the AEC Matador by the British Army during the Second World War.

British AFV Camhouflage, 1939-45

Version 2.6 August 2001:  AMENDED 30th APRIL 2019 by Michael Starmer.

 

 

Austin K5, 3-ton Lorry

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, July 7, 2020 3:04 PM

You got me there harold. I don't use vallejo for my vehicles, only really for figures, and i only build post war British armour. But, its its an army vehicle, the col,ours would be the same. For the RAF, i believe there vehicles were blue/grey in the UK but camoflaged when deployed over seas.

This link might be of some use, its just a case of trying to find the right vallejo colours.

https://www.mafva.org/british-vehicle-camouflage-1939-45/?v=79cba1185463

 

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Sergeant on Tuesday, July 7, 2020 2:35 PM

Gamera
Harold: Welcome! And the Matador and gun looks cool. And like those goats. I assume you've had blackberry pie, my grandmom used to make it. My gosh it was sooooo good, I haven't had it in ages though.  
 

Hello Gamera, yes I love blackberry pie, but these pesky berry vines have got to go sooner rather than later. The goat is Plan A, if that doesn't work Plan B is a tool called a Bush-Hog. One way or another those berry vine are history.

Bish, I ordered the AFV Club Matador from my go-to hobby store in Burbank, California. It was the last one he had at $44.00 USD. I have a good working relationship with the owners and they supply most of my paint and material. Can you tell me what Vallejo colors would be right for a World War II Matador? I believe they were used by the Infantry, the Artillery and the RAF. I'm not sure if different branches of the military had different colors or not, but it looks like different colors were used depending on theater of operations?

Harold

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Posted by Theuns on Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:21 AM

Nope,some way to go still, the big job starts to try getting the figures looking OK-ish and do the base still

 

Theuns

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:10 AM

Thanks G.

Thats coming on very well Theuns. I will get you on the roster when i get a moment, but i imagine you will be done by then at this rate.

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Posted by Theuns on Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:04 AM

Thanx mate.

I wanted to try a few things I saw on you tube on a simple cheap model incase I mess it up.

First was the oil dot filter to give subttle tonal difference to a monotone base color.

 IMG_20200707_130119 by Theunis van Vuuren, on Flickr

 

Then layered chipping and streaking again with oils, I think it gives a nice used but not overlydone look.

 IMG_20200707_154247 by Theunis van Vuuren, on Flickr

 IMG_20200707_154300 by Theunis van Vuuren, on Flickr

 

Next I need to skill up on figure painting and do the base for it.

Theuns

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, July 7, 2020 7:25 AM

Theuns: That looks pretty friggin' good! I'd have thought it were the kit part. 

Bish: The camo looks great, nice work! 

Harold: Welcome! And the Matador and gun looks cool. And like those goats. I assume you've had blackberry pie, my grandmom used to make it. My gosh it was sooooo good, I haven't had it in ages though.  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, July 7, 2020 4:19 AM

Glad to have you on board harold, the matador will be a nice addition. And you don't have to worry about completing it by the end of the year, as always with my GB's i ma happy for building to keep posting progress pics once the GB has closed.

And good plan to get in the goat, that will soon have those gone.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Sergeant on Monday, July 6, 2020 6:23 PM

Bish, thank you for inviting me to your Group Build. I have three favorite British Army subjects: 1. The AEC Matador 4x4 Artillery Tractor, 2. The BL 5.5-inch Medium Field Gun and the iconic British Land Rover. However, I only plan to finish the Matador and maybe an artillery piece during this group build.

I must tell you though I have a prior commitment. I promised my wife I would remove the black berry vines this summer that have taken over our back yard. She knows I cannot multi-task, so she thinks it's either the black berry vines and no model building, or model building and an unhappy wife.

Well, I have a plan... My wife has also asked me if we can have another pet. So, I plan to enlist the help of a goat to remove the black berry vines while I finish up the M109A2 and M109 L23 howitzers I have on my bench and get started on the AEC Matador. The goat will become our new family pet and my wife likes the idea.

Harold

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Posted by Bish on Monday, July 6, 2020 3:56 PM

Short update this week with the Warrior painted and decals added. I used tamiya acrylics and the green is NATO Green with a touch of field grey added. The black was done freehand. After a coat of Alclad aqua gloss, i applied the decals. The registration number is from an AM set for the Chally 1. This had individual letters and numbers so i could creat the one i wanted. They are a bit large so the one son the back and closer together than they should be. The convoy marking on the backdoor is also from the spares.

I made the callsigns and bridge plate myself. The callsigns are a bit rough as i had to paint over the black as my printer doesn't seem to like printing black on white decal paper. But seeing as the guy who painted the callsigns on the real vehicle is a ham fisted clumsey idiot, its appropriate that they are not perfect.

I have since made a start on the weathering with some dot filters.

More soon.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, July 6, 2020 1:48 PM

Now thats very nice Theuns.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Monday, July 6, 2020 12:13 PM

That shield looks fantabulous Theuns!! Beer

 

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Posted by Theuns on Monday, July 6, 2020 11:47 AM

I completed scratchbuilding the armour plate from styrene sheet and sprue. The weldbead I wanted to try and its a tad heavy but good practice.

 IMG_20200706_165052 by Theunis van Vuuren, on Flickr

 

Theuns

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, July 5, 2020 2:48 PM

modelcrazy

 

 
Bish

 

 
Real G

Good morning men!  Just a reminder we’re keeping this GB serious - and military.  Right!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7-2jLLMdEBw

Frankly I’m surprised no one has posted this yet.  Carry on.

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm it’s raining today.  Can’t work on the yard.  Time to stop with the silly Star Wars kits and work on something British.  And military.  Stick out tongue

 

 

 

I didn't realise my pass out parade had gone public. Big Smile

 

 

 

Of course we all could be marching up and down the square if you'd rather.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imhrDrE4-mI&feature=emb_rel_end

 

Bow Down I like the bit at the end.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, July 5, 2020 2:43 PM

Bish

 

 
Real G

Good morning men!  Just a reminder we’re keeping this GB serious - and military.  Right!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7-2jLLMdEBw

Frankly I’m surprised no one has posted this yet.  Carry on.

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm it’s raining today.  Can’t work on the yard.  Time to stop with the silly Star Wars kits and work on something British.  And military.  Stick out tongue

 

 

 

I didn't realise my pass out parade had gone public. Big Smile

 

Of course we all could be marching up and down the square if you'd rather.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imhrDrE4-mI&feature=emb_rel_end

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, July 5, 2020 8:34 AM

For the desert Sherman there is the official drawing:

The book publication Codename Swallow British Sherman Tanks at Alamein by Dennis Oliver, suggest there was alternate application wherein the wheels and suspension were left in their orignal olive drab.

 

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Theuns on Sunday, July 5, 2020 8:05 AM

Ta. I got the back base on and hope to do the green shortly but I think I might bog down when I need to make the sheild, I am not entirely shure what the shaoe is , I ggogled some pix but no nice 3 wiew to shw the bend and mound angles so will have to just hope for the best.

 

Theuns

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, July 5, 2020 6:09 AM

Will do Theuns.

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Posted by Theuns on Sunday, July 5, 2020 5:44 AM

please put me down for a OGF 6 Pdr (Tamiya 1/35) 

I was givin this kit by a mate who got it from someone who lost the main shield for it.

I will have to make one from plastic sheet.

As for the rest of the kit, it goed together so fast I forgot to take any real progress pix. I got to this stage in about 45 min.

 IMG_20200705_120331 by Theunis van Vuuren, on Flickr

I might try a little base for it.

 

Theuns

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, July 5, 2020 2:53 AM

Nice progress there GS. Ye, anything can go missing, its easy to put somthing down and then drive off forgetting about it.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, July 5, 2020 2:51 AM

Real G

Good morning men!  Just a reminder we’re keeping this GB serious - and military.  Right!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7-2jLLMdEBw

Frankly I’m surprised no one has posted this yet.  Carry on.

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm it’s raining today.  Can’t work on the yard.  Time to stop with the silly Star Wars kits and work on something British.  And military.  Stick out tongue

 

I didn't realise my pass out parade had gone public. Big Smile

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by GreySnake on Saturday, July 4, 2020 8:25 PM
Thank you jgeratic for the picture! Thanks for reminding me about the countershading I forgot about it till you brought it up. I’m not that familiar with British armor so I’m learning something new every day.
 
Made a mistake and managed to mangle one of the front fenders on the kit rather badly. Fortunately I found a fret listed on eBay so I will be able to continue on with the build. I’ll probably take a break from this build till the replacement fret comes in later on this week.
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Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, July 4, 2020 11:52 AM

Missing shackle seems it can happen:

Sherman is coming along nicely, will you be adding the white countershading on the bottom half of the transmission?

 

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Real G on Saturday, July 4, 2020 11:49 AM

Good morning men!  Just a reminder we’re keeping this GB serious - and military.  Right!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7-2jLLMdEBw

Frankly I’m surprised no one has posted this yet.  Carry on.

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm it’s raining today.  Can’t work on the yard.  Time to stop with the silly Star Wars kits and work on something British.  And military.  Stick out tongue

“Ya ya ya, unicorn papoi!”

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