jgeratic

Harold, your Dk Green mix looks right on the money. 

Agree about your results with the Russet colour.  If you really want to match the photo example, looks like it would need a little red added.

 

regards,

Jack

 

I am ready to primer the model and start painting. I recall we had a discussion about which colour to paint first in a camouflage pattern. I believe you, Cliff and Bish agreed the lightest color is first, then mask off the camouflaged pattern and add the dark color... Is that correct?

Also I believe someone told me to build up lite layers of dark camouflaged paint, so I don't create paint ridges?

Harold

Harold, your Dk Green mix looks right on the money. 

Agree about your results with the Russet colour.  If you really want to match the photo example, looks like it would need a little red added.

regards,

Jack

jgeratic

Hello Harold, to me most of your colours are well within an acceptable range.  As for your individual concerns:

1.  - topside Dark Green paint is less than 2% darker than the Illiad swatch.  Your paint does have a bit more blue in it, and that is what is likely making it less than a perfect match.   You could try adding about 10% of the Dark Earth to shift it?

2. - interior colour looks fine to me. 

3. - russet coloured seat also looks fine.  These were plastic seats introduced  around mid 1940.  Very likely contracted out to independedent manufacturer(s), so it would be understandable for some colour variance from batch to batch.

 

regards,

Jack

 

Harold

Thank you Cliff, the real test for me will be when I try and layout the camouflage design.

Harold

Gary: It's a relief to hear you're feeling better. My prayers you continue to improve.

Jack: Thanks! As I said I'm not going to rip the darn thing apart to repaint the bloody seat.

Harold: I too admire your dedication to getting things right. I tend to go with 'good enough'...

Bish - I am going to scratch my plans for the Nelson, I cannot find the kit in my stash at the moment even though I know it is in the kit storage closet somewhere.  I will instead build Dragon's 1/700 HMS Invincible instead if that is alright with you.  That kit is currently at hand and still sealed.

GAF

Thank you, gentlemen, for your understanding and offers of support.  Today I'm feeling better.  I managed to finish up what was left on the "ATSNBN" which was minor.    No pictures, but what I have left is to paint the base and I hope she will be ready.

Again, my thanks.

Gary

 

Harold

Thank you, gentlemen, for your understanding and offers of support.  Today I'm feeling better.  I managed to finish up what was left on the "ATSNBN" which was minor.    No pictures, but what I have left is to paint the base and I hope she will be ready.

Again, my thanks.

Gary

Gary, yes do take care.  Our hobby is just that, just something to do and enjoy, while not be concerned with due dates.

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Bakelite is just one method of creating synthetic plastics, and according to the late Edgar Brooks and his research, is not really the go to term for this particular case.  It was a mix of resin/paper, made by Aeroplastics, a Glasgow-based company.  Testing began in 1938, but cracking and breakage delayed introduction until  14-5-40. 

It doesn't appear to have been intended as a whole sale replacement of the metal seat, but rather as  stated under mod 189 "To introduce plastic seat as alternative design to assist production and provide alternative manufacture".  Also quoted from Edgar, "... their use extended beyond the end of the war, since there's an order demanding that they be rescued for future use; Hornets, Vampires and Meteors used plastic seats,...".

So Cliff, I think you are ok going with the metal seat.

regards,

Jack

Harold, my hat comes off to you for the effort your going to for these colours, its going to lok a cracker when you get the paint on.

Some great info there again Jack. I had never seen those Bakelite seats, interesting.

GAF

Colors look good for both, but I'm no expert.  As long as the colors look right.

My own project has certainly come to a screeching halt.  Since October 1st I've been in and out of the hospital.  I suffered two heart attacks and have had four stints installed in my coronary artery.  The first two were blocked by a clot, so they had to install two more.  Just got home and am ready for some rest (you can't rest in the hospital).  At the moment, modeling is pretty far down the list of things to accomplish, but I hope to finish before the end of the year.  I realize now that it's a good thing I canceled the planned "X-Files GB".  I don't think I could handle it now.

Meanwhile, we'll see how it goes!

Gary

 

Sounds like you need that rest Gary, i know you will have the thoughts and best wishes of everyone here.

Sorry about your troubles, Gary.  Sounds like a rough go.  Hope you feel better real soon.

Gary: Ouch that blows, I hope you're better soon.

Harold: I'm no expert but they look good to me.

I keep forgetting about those russet brown Bakelite seats and painting mine plain RAF interior green. Hope it's kosher, I'm not going to try to repaint the darn thing inside the cockpit now...

jgeratic

Hello Harold, to me most of your colours are well within an acceptable range.  As for your individual concerns:

1.  - topside Dark Green paint is less than 2% darker than the Illiad swatch.  Your paint does have a bit more blue in it, and that is what is likely making it less than a perfect match.   You could try adding about 10% of the Dark Earth to shift it?

2. - interior colour looks fine to me. 

3. - russet coloured seat also looks fine.  These were plastic seats introduced  around mid 1940.  Very likely contracted out to independedent manufacturer(s), so it would be understandable for some colour variance from batch to batch.

 

regards,

Jack

 

Harold

Hello Harold, to me most of your colours are well within an acceptable range.  As for your individual concerns:

1.  - topside Dark Green paint is less than 2% darker than the Illiad swatch.  Your paint does have a bit more blue in it, and that is what is likely making it less than a perfect match.   You could try adding about 10% of the Dark Earth to shift it?

2. - interior colour looks fine to me. 

3. - russet coloured seat also looks fine.  These were plastic seats introduced  around mid 1940.  Very likely contracted out to independedent manufacturer(s), so it would be understandable for some colour variance from batch to batch.

regards,

Jack

Jack, I would like your opinion regarding these Spitfire colours. Photo #1 is a Mk. VII cockpit that I chose for colour reference. Photo #2 is my collection of exterior and interior colours represented by painted spoons.

Photo #3 is the Dark Green compared with the RAF colour chip; Photo #4 is the Dark Earth (Brown). These represent the camouflage topside colours. Photo #5 is Sky which is representing the underside colour.

Where I have concern:

1. Is topside Dark Green a little too dark compared with the colour chip in Photo #3?

2. Is interior Grey-Green colour in Photo #6 to light compared with Photo #1?

3. Pilot's seat in Photo #1 is discribed in the Eduard instructions as 'Russet'. Photo #7 is representing the Russet colour, does it looks to dark?

Please let me know what you think about these questions.

Thank you,

Harold

Photo #1

Photo #2

Photo #3

Photo #4

Photo #5

Photo #6

Photo #7

jgeratic

Of the four paints you've got on order, I think the Dark Black Brown should be of great help.  Just an fyi, the Dark Slate grey is a Fleet Air Arm topside camou.

Harold

Revised information: Jack, I made a mistake; the original color I intended to use and you thought would be the best choice was #71.042 Cam. Dark Brown RLM61.

I did receive this paint in my shipment along with the Black Green #71.325 that I used today by mistake. Tomorrow I will do this paint test over using a mix of Dark Brown and Dark Green to compare it with the mix of Black Green and Dark Green.

Mix 1:3 Vallejo Dark Green #71.324 with Black Green #71.325

Vallejo Dark Earth #71.323

Vallejo Sky Type S #71.302

GAF

Colors look good for both, but I'm no expert.  As long as the colors look right.

My own project has certainly come to a screeching halt.  Since October 1st I've been in and out of the hospital.  I suffered two heart attacks and have had four stints installed in my coronary artery.  The first two were blocked by a clot, so they had to install two more.  Just got home and am ready for some rest (you can't rest in the hospital).  At the moment, modeling is pretty far down the list of things to accomplish, but I hope to finish before the end of the year.  I realize now that it's a good thing I canceled the planned "X-Files GB".  I don't think I could handle it now.

Meanwhile, we'll see how it goes!

Gary

 

Colors look good for both, but I'm no expert.  As long as the colors look right.

My own project has certainly come to a screeching halt.  Since October 1st I've been in and out of the hospital.  I suffered two heart attacks and have had four stints installed in my coronary artery.  The first two were blocked by a clot, so they had to install two more.  Just got home and am ready for some rest (you can't rest in the hospital).  At the moment, modeling is pretty far down the list of things to accomplish, but I hope to finish before the end of the year.  I realize now that it's a good thing I canceled the planned "X-Files GB".  I don't think I could handle it now.

Meanwhile, we'll see how it goes!

Gary

You certainly can Andy.

Bish, can I jump in with Airfix's 1/72 Spitfire Mk1a?

Thanks guys! 

Harold, nice to know I'm not the only one to have weird stuff like this to happen to me! 

Cliff, I am glad you showed us the before and after topcoat photographs because the same thing happened to me on my last project.

Harold

Yes MiG do avertise they lighten paint colour for scale effect, but I agree, don't repaint.

https://www.migjimenez.com/en/ammo-paints/1289-late-wwii-raf-colors.html

regards,

Jack

It's MiG/Ammo brand, the set in the center of the photo. 

I'm a little shocked how much darker the green paint went after the matte overcoat. In any case I'm not going to repaint the darn thing. 

Just a comparision:

Gloss: 

Matte:

I don't think it's the lighting... 

Cliff, these latest photos look much better.  Which brand paints are you using?

regards,

Jack

Hey thanks guys! 

It is an older photo. It was pretty dark and overcast this week so I hadn't taken any recent photos. I went ahead and took a few tonight, it's still overcast so the lighting might not be that good. 

The washes I put down and esp the matte overcoat did darken the paint a good bit. I'm still not sure it's as dark as it should be but I'm still going with sun fading as my alibi. Though I like your idea of foliage green Jack, the lighter colour does look a lot like it! 

Bish

Cliff, the camo looks god even if the green may not be spot on. But then RAF colours are not my speciality.

 

Whether or not the colours are right I could not say, but you certainly did a first class job on creating the camouflage design, I hope I can do as well as you did.

Harold

Cliff, the camo looks god even if the green may not be spot on. But then RAF colours are not my speciality.