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ARMOR - British/Commonwealth Group Build (9/17/04 to 12/31/04)

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 25, 2004 4:11 PM
Aaron. I hear what you are saying and thank you for your input. As to the Chev -I did ask for input when the LRDG Chev was nominated.

What we are trying to avoid is a simple upgun or similar simple conversion which the Firefly, Achilles, Grant, Stuart, etc are. The Aussie Sentinal tank was designed and manufactured in Australia using some parts of the M3 Grant/Lee, but the vast majority of components were Aussie made; it is a one of a kind vehicle and commonly regarded as Australian.

Same goes for the Ram. It was designed and manufactured in Canada. That it used available chassis components from the M3/M4 available stock is not that much of an issue as it was not simply a new turret on a manufactured in the USA vehicle. The majority of the vehicle was 'home grown'. The Sexton was a 'home grown' variant of the Ram using the British 25 pounder artillery piece on the RAM chassis. The Ram Kangaroo was the Ram tank without a turret, unlike the old Italeri kit which is not a Ram Kangaroo just a turretless Sherman.

I suppose it is like looking at a car. Often designers use parts that are commercially available in the market that also fit other vehicles - like engines, tyres, radios, etc. Its make may be Chrysler, Ford, Chevrolet, whatever - but that company didn't make most of it. The parts are subcontracted out and then assembled at the central plant. We produce engines in Australia that we supply to the USA. Overseas companies provide USA with tyres and alloy Wheels. Does that mean the end car isn't an American car? That's the way we are looking at it anyway.

Aaron, I hope I don't seem condacending here as typed words can often seem harsher than intended. I'm glad to see someone willing to put his point accross.

TG . Thanks for joining. You're in the list.

Rebel. Emhar make some WW1 Whippet and Mk 4 tanks in both 1/35 and 1/72 scales. Not sure of availability. Supposed to be reasonable kits too.

Zokissma - good luck buddy. I don't know of any other cheaper ones out there.
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Posted by zokissima on Friday, June 25, 2004 7:34 AM
I'm looking for some kind of an AM set for the Trumpeter Chally 2. Not interested in the AA set, as it's too pricey. Anyone know of any other options?
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Posted by rebelreenactor on Friday, June 25, 2004 1:19 AM
Hey petbat,

could you put me down as a maybe? if I do come in I will build a tamiya Universal Carier, or one of those WWI tanks, cant remember the name. MK's???
thank youSmile [:)]
John
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 25, 2004 12:39 AM
Heck I will join in as well.At the moment it will be the chally II from trumpeter. But I may get the tamiya.
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Posted by Aaronw on Friday, June 25, 2004 12:17 AM
I think I'd like to do this, not sure what I'll do since I've already got a Cromwell (my favorite British tank) in progress but there is a wide selection of interesting things to build. I've had my eyes on a Bishop for awhile but as Sept is some way off I want to shop around.

Just a comment on the commonwealth designed and used, there are a number of vehicles that were not fully designed by but were only used by commonweath countries the Chevrolet 3 ton was built in Canada and only used by the commonweath countries but is an American designed truck, Grant was a modified version of the M3 medium designed by and for the British, it was not used by the US, Staghound, Boarhound (I'd love to find a kit of that) were US designs contracted by the British, Firefly is based on the US Sherman as is the Canadian Ram, and Sexton these were strictly commonwealth vehicles but based on a US design.

I realize you are trying to get away from Sherman's in commonweath colors but a number of commonweath vehicles are being excluded due to their association with the US base vehicle. but there seems to be a blurry line with a few cross overs being allowed (Chevrolet 30 CWT, Sexton) and some not (Firefly, Grant, Stuart Recce). I'm in regardless as I will be building something wholly British, unless a cheap Boarhound shows up Smile [:)] but there are a number of vehicles that you don't see much that meet the criteria except for their US roots.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:34 PM
Tigerman, you heard it right. I also heard that it will be released in more than one version, so I guess it is not Tamiya then Whistling [:-^] I heard it is Academy or Trumpeter but don't quote me on it.

Wayne and Rich welcome aboard. You have been added to the list (see 1st post, page 1). Just let me know if you decide to build something else.

15 Particpants so far. Looking good.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:04 AM
Hey Petbat count me in on this build if its not to late. I will more than likely be doing the Universal carrier,, but I may decide to pick up something else in the meantime. But for now count me in with the universal carrier.
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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:25 AM
I'm sorry, did you mention rumored release of a NEW Matilda?

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 Eric 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:34 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by South Aussie

Petbat;
Will be building a Matiltdafor the group build, manage to pick up a Tamyia Kit today.


Ahh... two croweating Matildas. I see them everywhere round town at the moment, Wayne. It was hard to pick anything else!
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Posted by South Aussie on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 2:34 AM
Petbat;
Will be building a Matiltdafor the group build, manage to pick up a Tamyia Kit today.
Wayne I enjoy getting older, especially when I consider the alternative.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:23 PM
John - change done. Good luck with the research. Sounds like an interesting build for sure.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:04 PM
petbat / Peter:

I'd like to change my choice from the LRDG Chev to a 2-pdr portee, I love these things!

I sprung for another Sovereign 2-Pdr despite my earlier whine about expenses -- what can I say, my darn supplier had one in stock !!! I have an Italeri 15-cwt 'in stash' and what I think is enough info to convert it to a CMP C60L 3-tonner as the portee.

My goal is to do a diorama of 2LT George Ward Gunn, J Btry 3rd RHA, VC at Sidi Rezegh. I admit to not knowing if the unit was using the C60L or F60L but am hoping that it is a minor point .... If I later find it was an F60L and I can't kludge it decently, I'll drop the diorama or change the theme to something else.

The Sep start gives me plenty of time to do some drawings & detail planning -- I'll probably need all the build time I can get !!!

OK ?
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 20, 2004 6:56 AM
The old tamiya kits can be a lot of fun, as they require a bit of work, but generally fit together reasoably well.. Some members have been doing some great work on older tamiya releases lately.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 20, 2004 5:36 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dwight Ta-ala

QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman

How does the old Tamiya Matilda rate? I should have got it when Model Expo was blowing it out. So many wheels on it turned me a bit off, not to mention the date of the kit. Early 70's?


Well I was made in 1970 and I think I am good.(At least I think so).Clown [:o)]Clown [:o)]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D] But of course I don't have as many wheels.Tongue [:P]


Dwight, I take it you are an October, November or December b'Day. Otherwise you were 'made' in '69 or prematureTongue [:P] Either way you are a 'young en'.

tigerman if not for the rumoured new kits, I would say grab it as the only injection moulded game in town. Just like us older guys, Old does not mean bad.........just some work is required to get it all where you want it!Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by shermanfreak on Friday, June 18, 2004 12:47 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman

How does the old Tamiya Matilda rate? I should have got it when Model Expo was blowing it out. So many wheels on it turned me a bit off, not to mention the date of the kit. Early 70's?


A bit on the clunky side ... but still can build into a very nice representation of the Matilda.
Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:41 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman

How does the old Tamiya Matilda rate? I should have got it when Model Expo was blowing it out. So many wheels on it turned me a bit off, not to mention the date of the kit. Early 70's?


Well I was made in 1970 and I think I am good.(At least I think so).Clown [:o)]Clown [:o)]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D] But of course I don't have as many wheels.Tongue [:P]

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:32 PM
How does the old Tamiya Matilda rate? I should have got it when Model Expo was blowing it out. So many wheels on it turned me a bit off, not to mention the date of the kit. Early 70's?

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 Eric 

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:26 PM
zokissima

Yep, but it gives the interested parties time to budget for a kit and any aftermarket products they want. It also gives the retailers time to ship 'em to you!!

It also allows time for people to finish their other GB projects.

Anyway, you can still build something else while you waitBig Smile [:D]
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Posted by zokissima on Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:40 AM
Wow, september 17th seems like such a long time away...
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Posted by cplchilly on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:48 PM
Looks like the Tamiya 1/35 Cromwell petbat just gotta buy one Im pretty sure my local haunt has one or can order it.
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Posted by Build22 on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:16 PM

Petbat,

I'm definetly in.Thumbs Up [tup]


I'm going to do Cromwell's Challenger II



Jim [IMG]
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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Monday, June 14, 2004 8:41 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat



Dwight. Your name has been there all along. You must have missed itWhistling [:-^] Oops [oops]Sorry about that. You now have star billing on page one.



Man, I know there is something wrong with these eyeglasses.Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

Thanks Pete.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 14, 2004 8:25 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat

John (Jratz) Canadian Chev sounds like it fits all criteria. Welcome aboard.


OK, my goal will be to build 2, maybe 3 of 'em.
They will all be in different configurations, none of which is the OOB radio truck.
If Tamiya re-releases it this year, as rumor has it, then I might make a full half-patrol.
When I get organized, I'll post some kit & detail pix on my website to show what I'm starting with.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 14, 2004 5:57 AM
John (Jratz) Canadian Chev sounds like it fits all criteria. Welcome aboard.

Dwight. Your name has been there all along. You must have missed itWhistling [:-^] Oops [oops]Sorry about that. You now have star billing on page one.

Warren. For the list can you tell me which manufacturer for the Humbers? Thanks.

Wayne. Everyone needs more than one Matilda in their collection! looking forward to your final choice.
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Posted by South Aussie on Monday, June 14, 2004 3:12 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat

Wayne. Heard the rumour too, but thought Ian might be further ahead than that. Well at least we can hope the Aussie Matilda arrives before September (aren't going to hold my breath though).


Won't be holding my breath either petbat, might still build the Matilda for the group build , will confirm my subject within the next week.
Wayne I enjoy getting older, especially when I consider the alternative.
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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Monday, June 14, 2004 12:12 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman

Dwight, be looking forward to a new challenge to you. Give me the skinny on that build.


No problem. But I have not purchased the kit yet. It is to be included in the budget for the fiscal month of July if it will be ratified by the Department of Budget (aka the Wife).Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by tigerman on Monday, June 14, 2004 12:08 AM
Dwight, be looking forward to a new challenge to you. Give me the skinny on that build.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 13, 2004 9:00 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ShermanFirefly
I was probably going to do the carrier, its fairly cheap but i was wanting to do the firefly
im in then


universal carrier being cheap..............i'd like to see that!!

Abastyr: i built the croc in january (i think....) pretty nice kit. be sure to use a hobby knife for the tow cablesAngry [:(!]Disapprove [V]
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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Sunday, June 13, 2004 8:09 PM
Pete: Hmmmm. It seems that you missed my earlier post. I am definitely IN and doing the Tamiya 1/35 Cromwell.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 13, 2004 7:54 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat

Okay, were on.

Michael. Have to be the UC Carrier. The Firefly was a modified Sherman and does not fit the criteria we settled on. Sorry mate, seeing as the firefly is dear to your heart and all. If the Market garden build proposal goes ahead, your firefly will be perfect for that.



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I was probably going to do the carrier, its fairly cheap but i was wanting to do the firefly
im in then
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