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Anonymous

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ARMOR - British/Commonwealth Group Build (9/17/04 to 12/31/04)

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 7, 2004 6:20 PM

Crossracer recently posted pics of his Tamiya Centaur and in that thread Dwight raised the question of whether anyone was interested in a British Armour Group Build. There are a lot of GB's lined up a present, but I'm game for one that will be a little different from the usual German or Sherman based builds. How about anyone else?

GB is a go. The rules are:
Main Theme: Any British or Commonwealth designed and Manufactured Armoured vehicle, softskin vehicle, Artillery (SP or towed ) or Figurines of any soldier in British or Commonweath uniform.
Period of operation: WW1 to modern day
Scale: Any
Build type: Can be Out of the Box or Modified
Markings: To be of a British or Commonwealth (at the time that is, so Indian regiments during WW2 are okay) vehicle, gun, etc.
Medium: Any (Plastic, Resin or other all okay)
Start Date: 17 September 2004
End Date: 31 December 2004

Okay so far those interested and have named their poison are:

Dwight Ta-ala: Tamiya 1/35 Cromwell
ShermanFreak: Resin 1/35 Sexton
Petbat: Tamiya 1/35 Centaur
LizardKing2 : Hobbycraft 1/35 Challenger 1
MarianLH : Accurate Armour 1/35 Humber Mk I scout car
Phroosh: Tamiya 1/35 Matilda II
Zokissima: Trumpeter 1/35 Challenger 2
Wrbridge: 1/76 Humber Mk11 armoured cars (x2)
Abastyr: Tamiya 1/35 Churchill Mk VII Crocodile
Jratz: 2 Pounder Portee - 1/35 Italeri 15 CWT truck with Sovereign 2 Pdr conversion
ShermanFirefly: Tamiya 1/35 Universal Carrier
Build22: Cromwell 1/35 Challenger 2
cplchilly: Tamiya 1/35 Cromwell
South Aussie: Tamiya 1/35 Matilda II
Feldgrau: Tamiya 1/35 Universal Carrier
Thundergod: Trumpeter or Tamiya Challenger 2
Rebelreenactor: 1/35 Ehmar Whippet
Daveash: Tamiya 1/35 Rover 7 Ambulance
j.s.harrison: Tamiya 1/35 Matilda II
AaronW: Dragon 1/35 Bishop SPG
Ddayomaha: Tamiya 1/35 Universal Carrier
armorchris: Tamiya 1/35 Cromwell
ewc2003: Tamiya 1/35 British Ambulance Rover 7, 1/72 Italeri Valentine Mk 1 (6th Armoured Division, July 1944) & 1/72 Hasegawa Humber Mk2 Armoured Car (3 kits - what a show off Big Smile [:D]

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T3488g: Airfix Universal Carrier and 6 pounder A/T gun
Balta1: Hobbycraft 1/35th Challenger 2
Diggeraone: Tamiya 1/35th Centurian
Buff: Tamiya 1/35th Churchill VII
Jeff Gunn: Airfix 1:72 UK Alvis CVR(T) Scorpion
Thanks for your interest all.

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Dwight Ta-ala

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July 2003
From: Philippines

Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Monday, June 7, 2004 6:35 PM

I saw my name in the title and I thought I was going to be reprimanded or something for being naughty. Big Smile [:D]

Seriously, I am for it Pete.

My suggestion is that it should include only locally produced armor (or softskins if necessary). I think we should exclude imports like the Sherman, Lees/Grants and Stuarts (no offense to Sherm for I somehow know that another GB dedicated to that old reliable is in the works. Right Sherm? Wink [;)]

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There are a lot of possible kits for this build. Tamiya alone has the Cromwell, Churchill, Matilda, Centaur and some softskins. I am not sure about the other companies but I think there are a lot of options out there.

OK I am interested in the Cromwell.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 7, 2004 7:09 PM

Thanks Dwight, seems we are pretty much on the same wave length re British designed and made. (Were you feeling a little guilty about something when you saw your name, or is that just your normal level of Paranoia?). We should encourage Jon (Captain Caveman) to commit and finish a GB too (He, he - are you reading this Jon?)

I have several kits that I could do, but I'm thinking of doing the old Italeri Crusader Mk 3 or the Tamiya Centaur I have. I have the etch for the Crusader but the Centaur would be OOB (I need a break from this compulsion to superdetail everything - it takes me too long to build the kit)

Wasn't sure of the number of guys and girls (Hey Frosty) that might buy into a WW2 basis, so I thought that maybe some of the modern AFV guys might like in on the act too. This might bring it up to worthwhile numbers - seeing as Tamiya have recently released the Chieftan and a few guys have been making some waves about the Challengers that are around. Of course there is also the mainstream AFV Club Scorpian and Scimitar for them as well. If too many guys want in, we could always split the GB into 2 'post WW2' and 'pre to WW2'

Lets see how this progresses.

Cheers.

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tigerman

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March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Monday, June 7, 2004 7:24 PM

You meanies. Big Smile [:D]

This was just the groupbuild I would love to have gotten into, but there are so many going and I'm lagging. I've been wanting to do a Cromwell or Crusader for a long time. When's Tamiya going to put out a Valentine or Crusader? Depending on your date, I may hop aboard, but I first need a kit and so on. I'd definately make the build be a British manufactured tank only. No lend lease. Just my My 2 cents [2c]

Eric

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 7, 2004 7:36 PM

Cool I'll probably be able to get in on this one

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 7, 2004 7:55 PM

Well I have been looking for another reason to by a kit. Like I need another. So It all depends on the date for me as well. If it fits Im in.

That croc has been callin my name.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 7, 2004 8:36 PM

OK, I'm a "Yank" & I have no problem with the British (or do you mean Commonwealth) designed and built.
I would like to ensure that "armor" is just a well mis-used word for "land equipment & people", so those of us who like trucks & big guns & soldiers, but not necessarily tanks, can get in.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 7, 2004 8:43 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat

Thanks Dwight, seems we are pretty much on the same wave length re British designed and made. (Were you feeling a little guilty about something when you saw your name, or is that just your normal level of Paranoia?). We should encourage Jon (Captain Caveman) to commit and finish a GB too (He, he - are you reading this Jon?)

Well thanks for that Peter, I’ve got a good number of British kits i could build so I’m in, dose that mean I’m going to be committed Smile [:)]

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shermanfreak

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January 2003

Posted by shermanfreak on Monday, June 7, 2004 9:14 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Captain Caveman
dose that mean I’m going to be committed

Does this mean we'll see Jon finish a kit ....... Tongue [:P]

Set a date and count me in Peter .... I have a resin Sexton that should cause me all kinds of grief.

Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 8, 2004 5:24 PM

I'd like to broaden my horizons and make something from the mother country Peter, so I will keep my eyes peeled for something suitably British at the stores, so in all likelihood I will be in!

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 8, 2004 5:46 PM

i'll probaly join!!! not sure what i'm going to build.... i am building a canadian/british ww2 dio. i might build a ram kangaroo............ in think we should include the sherman. In ww2 canada only used shermans and fireflys as MBTs

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crossracer

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December 2002

Posted by crossracer on Tuesday, June 8, 2004 6:58 PM

I"M in, i have a crusader in 1'72 that i would like to try. ALso i want to try some of the salt paint chipping method. Besides a nice change would be good. ALl those shermans and tigers are getting stale. Big Smile [:D]

LOL
Bill

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 8, 2004 7:36 PM

I think I'm interested. I'm just a maybe though
like to build a Canadian model maybe a bren carrier or even a firefly hmm

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 12:39 AM

Thanks for the support guys. Just throwing a few things around at the moment to see what the interest is but looks like we might have enough to start a WW2 British/Commonwealth Designed and manufactured build. Would be looking to do this in a few months time after the current DDay and Normandy GB's and the proposed Stug and Panzer 4 GB's are done, as a lot of guys, including some of you, have shown interest in those. Maybe kick it off Friday 17 September as a tribute to all the Brit paratroops that hung in there at Arnhem 60 Years before. (Kinda like some of us hanging in there to finish our own, way past due date, GB's ) and run it to say Christmas to cater for stragglers - other date ideas anyone?

Yes Jon, it would appear obvious that most of us should be committed. Shock [:O]

(read this while running finger up and down over your lips ....... blllrrrppprrrllbb)

John R (Jratz) armour means anything land based. I mentioned the 25 pounder but if you want to do an AEC Matador, Austin, Bedford, Canadian Chevrolet or Ford CMP, 17 or 6 pounder A/T, 5.5 inch artillery piece, Figurine, etc, etc, etc - as long as it fits the British Commonwealth Designed and Made we should be okay with it.

T34. A Ram based Kangaroo sounds great. Would love to see it, so you got my vote for that.

Tigerman - Tamiya Valantine or Crusader? When people stop buying Tigers, and Panthers, and Shermans, and.......... Tamiya should do a Comet or at least the AA version of the Cromwell - wouldn't take much . If anyone was to do it it is more likely Dragon will be the best bet to offer some more diverse stuff. Just think:
From Valentine to Bishop to Archer (hopefully a new kit not the rebadged Valentine they did)
Crusader Mk1, Mk2, Mk3, (even though Italeri is out there) with AA turret
Churchill Mk 1 through VI (even Tamiya's VII is a bit old now). Be nice to see the 75mm support gun version. Ah dreams..........

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 4:31 AM

Is the Tamiya Matilda any good? I always liked the look of that tank.

I like the idea of running it to Christmas, as I am really busy in spring (fall). I am going to England Big Smile [:D]

, so maybe I can see something up close!

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Build22

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May 2003
From: Upstate NY

Posted by Build22 on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 6:09 AM

Petbat,

I'd like to join in as well.
I have a couple of possibilities - it's going to be modern stuff. Maybe a challenger or a scorpion recon if that's okay. Let me know if you don't want modern stuff

Your timing would be perfect.

Jim [IMG]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 6:09 AM

Matt, plenty of Matilda's at 'Pucka' - and a lot closer too Big Smile [:D]

Built a Matilda years ago; Pretty good for it's age - been thinking of picking another one up as my LHS has about 20 for AUD$40 and Firestorm are apparently going to do an Aussie update set soon.

Going to Blighty eh. Lucky so and so. Going to Bovington? A mate went there 4 months ago. He is still developing all the rolls of films he took - reckons one full day is nowhere near enough for us museum starved Aussies.

Build - we'll see what group consensus is about modern , but personally I have no probs.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 7:46 AM

Did we use Matilda's in WW2 Peter? That would be even better? Besides, my dearly departed dog was called Matilda!

Don't know about Bovington. What end is it? I'll be down south. I hope I can find time; I'd love to see it, but I am playing Nanny (don't laugh) for my Niece and Nephew and am supposed to be rewiring my sisters house!

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 8:06 AM

Oh No Phroosh is coming over here Shock [:O]

Man the battle stations

The Aussies made there own Matildas in locomotive factories, ive got a magazine about them
What part are you going to? Bovington is down south, in Dorset not far from Portsmouth
heres something to start your planning http://www.multimap.com/

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 8:16 AM

Thanks Jon!

They live in Hove, but I am not quite sure where their new house is. I don't think it is too far away from where they are at the moment. I am hoping they will pick me up from the airport!

That's settled then, I will do a Matilda!

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zokissima

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July 2003
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Posted by zokissima on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 9:27 AM

Sounds like a good idea. But, to be honest, with the exception of the M1 build, which I was extremely grateful for, it seems that no one in this forum is interested in anything but WWII. If you opened it up for modern stuff as well, it'd be a good thing. I've got my Trumpeter Chally 2 waiting to be built.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 9:42 AM

I'm definately in this one!

By the way ArmorMaster is going to start a Market Garden Build and I hope to start a 60th Bulge build

I'll probably be doing a Cromwell or a bren carrier

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 12:03 PM

does anyone make a 1/35 ram other than s-model? they are like $79.95!!! i have a problem paying over $40 for a model.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 12:40 PM

This sounds like a great idea. I could b a possible for this one but dont know if i will be in the UK or not. Anyway r there any Marmon Harrington Armoured Cars around in 1/35?

Keep well.

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cplchilly

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January 2004
From: SO CAL

Posted by cplchilly on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 12:54 PM

I will probably join later I've always wanted to build a Cromwell or Archer (anyone still make that kit?) I'm in three other GB's right now but I will probably join this after I finish a couple of them.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 1:53 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat
Wasn't sure of the number of guys and girls (Hey Frosty) that might buy into a WW2 basis, so I thought that maybe some of the modern AFV guys might like in on the act too.
Lets see how this progresses.
Cheers.

Peter:
hiya!
thanx 4 thinking of me... Big Smile [:D]

i've got at least a couple of kits on the stack that would do 4 this build...
i'm in a few other GBs, but i like the idea of this one too,
so depending on the time frame, i mite just b able 2 commit 2 this.
please let modern afvs b included, ok ?
i need a good reason 2 finally build my Challenger ! Big Smile [:D]

frosty

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 4:43 PM

Assuming the eventual start date works with my schedule I'm absolutely interested in joining up for this build, should be a good time.

I've got a pair of Daimler Armoured Cars sitting around the storage room which I've been meaning to get to, this GB should do the trick.

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shermanfreak

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Posted by shermanfreak on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 5:16 PM

T3488g - S-Models is about the only Ram left on the market and it is a real dog. If you were thinking of getting it from Military Hobbies, the last time I checked it was out of stock.

Peter - My vote is to include all Commonwealth manufactured vehicles regardless of when they were made. Sept 17 sounds great to me !!!!

Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 8:04 PM

petbat:

OK, sign me up -- I think you suggested a mid-September start date & that works for me -- just tack on 3-4 months for an end-date, I work slow ....

I'll commit to a subject as we get closer to Sep -- I have things I could do right out of the stash, but have some things I want to do more & I need to research options. I do know it'll be WW2 Western Desert unless I get wrapped up in something WW1-ish or between the wars.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 8:14 PM

Okay, lots of nice people out there taking the time to look at this GB and have a say. Seeing as a few of you asked so politely to add the modern stuff ( Although I plan to do a WW2 vehicle I do have a Tamiya Challenger 1 with Verlindin GW1 add on, the Academy Warrior MCV and both of AFV club's Scimitar and Scorpion's so I'm not just a WW2 guy) how about we look at a build as follows:

Main Theme: Any British or Commonwealth designed and Manufactured Armoured vehicle, softskin vehicle, Artillery (SP or towed ) or Figurines of any soldier in British or Commonweath uniform.
Period of operation: WW1 to modern day
Scale: Any
Build type: Can be Out of the Box or Modified
Markings: To be of a British or Commonwealth (at the time that is, so Indian regiments during WW2 are okay) vehicle, gun, etc.
Medium: Any (Plastic, Resin or other all okay)
Start Date: 17 September 2004
End Date: 31 December 2004

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