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ARMOR - British/Commonwealth Group Build (9/17/04 to 12/31/04)

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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Friday, June 25, 2004 1:19 AM
Hey petbat,

could you put me down as a maybe? if I do come in I will build a tamiya Universal Carier, or one of those WWI tanks, cant remember the name. MK's???
thank youSmile [:)]
John
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  • From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posted by zokissima on Friday, June 25, 2004 7:34 AM
I'm looking for some kind of an AM set for the Trumpeter Chally 2. Not interested in the AA set, as it's too pricey. Anyone know of any other options?
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 25, 2004 4:11 PM
Aaron. I hear what you are saying and thank you for your input. As to the Chev -I did ask for input when the LRDG Chev was nominated.

What we are trying to avoid is a simple upgun or similar simple conversion which the Firefly, Achilles, Grant, Stuart, etc are. The Aussie Sentinal tank was designed and manufactured in Australia using some parts of the M3 Grant/Lee, but the vast majority of components were Aussie made; it is a one of a kind vehicle and commonly regarded as Australian.

Same goes for the Ram. It was designed and manufactured in Canada. That it used available chassis components from the M3/M4 available stock is not that much of an issue as it was not simply a new turret on a manufactured in the USA vehicle. The majority of the vehicle was 'home grown'. The Sexton was a 'home grown' variant of the Ram using the British 25 pounder artillery piece on the RAM chassis. The Ram Kangaroo was the Ram tank without a turret, unlike the old Italeri kit which is not a Ram Kangaroo just a turretless Sherman.

I suppose it is like looking at a car. Often designers use parts that are commercially available in the market that also fit other vehicles - like engines, tyres, radios, etc. Its make may be Chrysler, Ford, Chevrolet, whatever - but that company didn't make most of it. The parts are subcontracted out and then assembled at the central plant. We produce engines in Australia that we supply to the USA. Overseas companies provide USA with tyres and alloy Wheels. Does that mean the end car isn't an American car? That's the way we are looking at it anyway.

Aaron, I hope I don't seem condacending here as typed words can often seem harsher than intended. I'm glad to see someone willing to put his point accross.

TG . Thanks for joining. You're in the list.

Rebel. Emhar make some WW1 Whippet and Mk 4 tanks in both 1/35 and 1/72 scales. Not sure of availability. Supposed to be reasonable kits too.

Zokissma - good luck buddy. I don't know of any other cheaper ones out there.
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Posted by Aaronw on Saturday, June 26, 2004 1:41 AM
Oh, yeah, no insult taken, I was just thinking you might want to specifically name certain vehicles that are flat out or Ok, as some vehicles on the border may be excluded (assumed out) or could frustrate some trying to pick a kit (what not that one either?).

Not a big deal as there are plenty of subjects to choose from that are well within the the build description. Besides this will save me getting the resin conversion kit for a stuart recce I found last night (rather pricy, so thats probably good). Smile [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 26, 2004 8:18 PM
No sweat Aaron.

If anyone wants to know if a type of vehicle is okay, then they only need to ask. I'm sure soemone out there will know if it fits the bill or not.

Don't forget to let me know what you are going to build, when you are ready.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:07 PM
Aaronw makes some good points, but if something was US-designed, but only Commonwealth built & used, that should be OK. Maybe two out of 3 (design, built, used). As long as we keep it Commonwealth focused and not another haven for some US vehicle which may have also been used by Commonwealth.

Regardless, at least we have a topic that excludes the "What no Tigers allowed??" crowd.

BTW, how come we aren't stickied with the rest of the GBs ??

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Posted by shermanfreak on Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:03 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jratz
BTW, how come we aren't stickied with the rest of the GBs ??


Sticky status is no more for the G.B.s, but I would imagine we'll be added to the GB thread when we're a little colser to the start date. Big Smile [:D]
Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 27, 2004 6:05 PM
I have sent an email to Laurence H to have this thread added to the GB list in the sticky he has set up for GB's. I expect he will add it when he gets a chance, seeing as there is no rush!

Jratz: LOL - yeah definately no tigers on this one - unless someone wants to put a captured one in a dio with a Churchill of 9 RTR. They had one for a time, but had to leave it behind just before the Rhine crossings. Seems it was a little too heavy for most bridges!

If you are interested, go to www.9thrtr.com and go to the link for the text of Peter Beales book 'Tank Tracks'; it has some interesting personal accounts of the British Tankers of 9 RTR and mentions the tiger somewhere. Also talks about a couple of Churchills from C Squadron that passed two abondoned 88's. I am trying to find out what type. I think a Churchill rumbling past AFV Club's new 88 would make a great dio.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 28, 2004 2:22 PM
Okay, folks, you're officially a Group Build. I've moved this topic to the GB forum. Have fun, and....be careful out there.
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  • From: St Helens, England
Posted by Daveash on Monday, June 28, 2004 2:58 PM
Another GB to keep the production line going. Count me in, I will be building the Tamiya 1/35 Rover 7 Ambulance (can`t get more British than that). I did one when I first got back into the hobby and would like another go to see how my skills have improved over the last year.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 28, 2004 10:40 PM
Petbat this GB sounds pretty fine to me.
So if you can handle another Aussie onboard i'd like to join with the 1/35 Tamiya
Matilda11 in the markings of 7th Amoured in desert colours.
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Posted by Aaronw on Thursday, July 1, 2004 4:42 PM
There is a 1/35 Bishop that just keeps calling me every time I go to the hobby store, so you might as well put me down for it. I was going to save it for the extremely boxy sp gun build but I can always use a Bison for that one Smile [:)] .
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 1, 2004 5:38 PM
Dave, Aaron & JS. Welcome aboard guys. You are in the list, first post, first page.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 1, 2004 11:01 PM
Thanks for the Acceptance Petbat i had to resist the temtation not to go out and get a Crusader because the Matilda is earmarked for a diorama but what the hell i can stick it
in the cabinet until i'm ready to do the rest of the dio.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 3, 2004 12:26 PM
Okay I"m in I'll be building Tamiya's universal carrier and possibly Tamiya's Cromwell
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 4, 2004 11:33 PM
Welcome abord DDay. Two kits........obviously build faster than I do! Then again, a tortoise is faster than I am.
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  • From: Philippines
Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 1:18 AM
Pete,

I am sorry but somethings came up and I might not be able to join this GB so I am withdrawing. Sorry but if circumstances change and I will be able to do so I will jump in late in the GB.

Good luck.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 8, 2004 12:20 AM
No worries Dwight. Hope it is nothing serious. I'll leave your name there just in case!
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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Friday, July 9, 2004 6:20 PM
Nothing wrong pete. Thank you for the concern. It is just I am still in the process of evaluating my membership in this forum. That's all. Just give me sometime to think things over.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 10, 2004 12:02 AM
Dwight too???? Man what is going on around here? I've been gone for a week and its all crazy now.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:42 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dwight Ta-ala

Nothing wrong pete. Thank you for the concern. It is just I am still in the process of evaluating my membership in this forum. That's all. Just give me sometime to think things over.

Sorry mate but i don't quite understand what you mean.
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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:25 PM
Thundergod/ j.s.harrison,

Twas just a small misunderstanding about forum guidelines that caused some members to leave the forum. Anyway I am still keeping my membership open and I will just see how it goes on a day-to-day basis.

Anyway it seems that most of those who left are coming back so things might be returning to normal.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 12, 2004 12:04 PM
i think this sounds interesting, i would like to do the Tamiya Cromwell Cruiser tank in 1/35
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 12, 2004 5:10 PM
armorchris, Welcome aboard. I've added you to the list.

Dwight, it would be a real loss to this forum if guys like you left over misunderstandings. You have given a lot to the forum, and I for one would miss your friendly banter. All said and done mate, you gotta do, what you gotta do. Catch you later (I hope)
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 12, 2004 9:51 PM
what is this misunderstanding all about that was causing such fine fellow modelers to leave.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 15, 2004 7:37 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by armorchris

what is this misunderstanding all about that was causing such fine fellow modelers to leave.


Good Question [?] mate,i have no idea.......
Anyway i grabbed hold of some figures for the Matilda 11 the other day....
One's a 3 pack of British desert tankers from VLS and a couple of Aussie desert troops from Firestorm........
If i can find the time i might make the DIO base for this GB,just have to leave the Stuart Honey out of the pics.Wink [;)]
Regards J.S
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  • From: Minnetonka, MN
Posted by ewc2003 on Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:26 PM
Just was wondering if I could get in on this... My LHS has all Italeri kits 50% off, and I was wondering if their "Commando Car" was British/Commonwealth. Didn't say on the box, but one of the extra pieces of equipment was a Sten, and it had two twin machine gun mounts with the side feed ammo canisters (not boxes) which leads me to believe that it's a British vehicle.... Thanks!
Matt ------------------------------------------------- "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:55 PM
Matt, The commando car is just a Jeep depicted as one used by the SAS in NW Europe. Jeep is made and designed in the USof A, so sorry, it doesn't fit the build guidelines.

How about an Italeri Crusader 1 or 2, should be at least one of those at your LHS and would be worth the half price tag.
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Posted by ewc2003 on Friday, July 16, 2004 6:31 PM
Pete,

I found the Tamiya Universal Carrier "Forced Recon" version today for just under $15.00 US. That's pretty tough to beat, and I would imagine it would fit the build... Just don't know if I can switch from pilot helmets to those little doggie bowls on the British troops heads Big Smile [:D].... SOOOO, am I in?
Matt ------------------------------------------------- "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:17 PM
Hey peter, You can put me dow for a for sure on this one. Just not sure what I am building yet, I want to build a WW1 MK. I Male, but I have to get my Mom or Dad to let me use the credit card for an online orderEvil [}:)], THat kit might all of the sudden turn into a $60 kitEvil [}:)]Evil [}:)]Evil [}:)]. Otherwise its a universal carier or I just took a look at the tamiya cromwell, looks nice. I'll let you know as soon as I can.

I just looked at the start date, Bloodiest day in American History, at the battle of Sharpsburg, Maryland (Antietam).
John
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