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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:04 PM
Sorry for the long break between posts. Work has been a zoo and afew other things going on. I have not done a whole lot to the Cat. But we have time, right?
I do have a question that I want to post here and see what you all can come up with.

What do you use to mask canopies? I have tried several things and it seems like whatever I try something goes wrong. I just used Parafilm M on my F-86 canopy and the metalizer ate through it in two places. Now it is a mess. Masking tapes seem to lift and allow bleed. I have heard of using Bare Metal Foil. I would have to order that. My LHS does not carry stuff like that. Thanks in advance. You can post answers here or to my email. Thanks again!!!!!
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Posted by bstrump on Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:32 PM
Hi Mark! Sorry to here about your F-86 canopy. I hate it when that happens. Go ahead and order the Bare Metal Foil. It'll be money well spent. IMHO, it's the best masking medium for this job. Since it's micro thin, it'll easily conform to the compound curves of the canopy and it shows the framing a lot better, too. So, it'll be easier to cut. Hope this helps.Smile [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:49 PM
For masking canopies, go see Swanny's site, he just added an article to his "tools and tips" page.

http://www.swannysmodels.com/index.html

Just go to his homepage, and scroll down. It's listed right on the main page.

Now repeat after me, "All hail Swanny!"

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Posted by Steve Filak on Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:38 AM
I agree on the use of BMF for canopy masking. I use it quite a bit (not exclusively, but quite a bit), and it works very well. The only thing that you need to watch for is any residue left behind by the adhesive. Usually, a Q-Tip dipped in PollyScale thinner will take it off in very short order.

I also use Parafilm in some applications, but I find that I have better luck with BMF, and it produces sharper, tighter frame lines.
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Posted by armorman on Sunday, January 30, 2005 3:55 PM
Sorry fellas, I had to step out of town for the weekend. No bench time for me. Hopefully tomorrow will be some good time. School will be cancelled because of the snow and I have the day off.
So... how is everything going?
Mark, I use Tamiya masking tape (narrow one) and seal with the liquid mask and so far it has done me right- no leaks yet. I've used bare metal foil, but because the LHS does not stock it, I switched to the other.
Well, no progress here but this week will be a busy one. I hope to get the fuselage all together by the end of the week.
Mitchell- sorry that Has kit has posed so many problems. You are doing a great job tackling the issues and making them look great. Well, I hope everyone has a good Sunday...
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 30, 2005 4:47 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions!!!! It sounds like BMF is the medium of choice here. I will try that and see. The F-86 canopy was screwed but some Future made it a bit less noticeable. Oh well! You are always learning at this game. Thanks again!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 30, 2005 6:50 PM
Hey, everyone...Swanny has the method. Has anyone gone over to Swanny's site and read about his method??

I'm tellin' you, if Swanny were to build modern stuff, and join this GB, Filak's Jolly Roger's cat that I think is the model of all models would look like kid's play. Sorry, Steve.

OK, OK, just some light-hearted banter here. Swanny does have a point. If you use regular, wide masking tape, cut into thin strips, anyone can do it. I bet my 3 year-old could mask a canopy using Swanny's method.

And with masking tape, if you get a little adhesive left on, simply take a fresh piece of tape and use it to lift off the residue.

I'm aligning with Swanny on this one. Sorry Steve.

(Steve, I am just kiddin 'round.)

Hey, why are the ratings based on number of posts? We should submit a build, and get ratings based on our abilities. Steve Filak, a "snap-together" ???
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:26 PM
As we left off last weekend I had the Fujimi F-14A to the point where I had mated the front fuselage to the main fuselage before adding the engine nacelles.

This weekend I painted the intake fan blades, I assembled and installed the engine nacelles to the main fuselage.

I tried two different ways to do this. Following the instructions assembled the nacelles installing the fan face and exhaust can. Then installing the sub-assembly to the main fuselage. This left a nasty gap at the rear inner part of the nacelle.

So when installing the LH side, this time I installed the LH inner half of the nacelle to the main fuselage, then installed the exhaust can, then the fan turbine blades. When set, then I cemented the LH outer nacelle to the RH and this eliminated the gap on LH side rear inner.

Amazing how that works.
More images to follow.

Chuck
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Posted by bstrump on Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:38 PM
Sorry Mitch, but I'm aligning myself with myself. I know you're being lighthearted but I used to use the method Swanny describes. IMHO, it's much too time consuming. The panel Swanny did in his demo I can do in a tenth of the time with BMF. Also, since it's so thin, there's absolutely no paint build up along the edges. The only thing wrong with BMF is that it costs a lot more than masking tape.
Bert
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Posted by bstrump on Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:43 PM
Making good progress there, Chuck. Thanks for sharing the pics. BTW, are those the markings you'll be using?
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Posted by Zone V Afterburner on Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:07 PM
Not much done on mine so far..... I move like pondwater at the arctic circle.....anyway I am leaving town this week,heading to Atlanta....from the way it looks now...I may be elegantly ice dancing using my 18-wheeler.. Anyway,I have been looking all over the ARC site to see Steve's 'Cat,anyone know how to get there?
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:29 PM
Scott:

Go to ARC home page, and at the top click "gallery"...next page, click "jet aircraft". Then scroll down until you see "F-14", click on it. The specific one about which I've ranted is a little past halfway down, it has a blue banner and "feature". The title is "1/48 Hasegawa F-14A Tomcat VF-84 'Jolly Rogers' Last Cruise"...it's a black tailed bird.

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Posted by Zone V Afterburner on Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:36 PM
Thanks MACooke....for being so quick on the response...Smile [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:18 PM

Thx Bstrump: Yes those are the marking I will be using for this build.
Super Scale Sheet #72-650, Desert Storm F-14's VF-84 and VF-41 off the USS Roosevelt. In this case VF-41. Already used the the other set.
And in response to the canopy mask. Though Swanny's technique is very good, it's just that a technique. I for one think it is too complicated (and expensive), and pretty much stick with bstrumps assesment and use my own technique and been doing so for years and have been satisfied with it. Everyone has their own variations and thats ok. Thats what this site is all about, and Swanny's site is excellent.

Chuck
Fly Navy


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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:32 PM

Cont on with this weekends update. A bottom view of the main fuselage. This kit is going together much easier than the 48th version from this company. The engineering is different than Hasegawa's version. Really a couple of more steps and she could be ready for the paint shop. Not bad for an F-14 kit, with a lot of pieces and as detailed as it is.


As mentioned I was originally going to do a VF-32 bird, but I forgot that I still had this VF-41 sheet from Super Scale. And opted to use them instead.



One other item I did install the instrument panel coamings painted black. The canvas covers will be painted later. Next to work on the seams, add the lower strakes and tails. More images next week.

Chuck
Fly Navy
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 31, 2005 4:07 AM
Ooooh, is that a 'nekkid woman I spy on the decal sheet? Tongue [:P]

OK, OK y'all...it seems the BMF method has more support than Swanny's method, I concede. I did try Swanny's method, and while it's a bit slow, it is not complicated. For the record, I have not tried the BMF method.

I'm gonna eat my humble pie now....
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Posted by DanCooper on Monday, January 31, 2005 4:38 AM
Yesss, I've got my academy cat, LOOKS finely detailed at first sight. I think I will use the wings of the Hasa kit, since those come with separete flaps.

On the bench : Revell's 1/125 RV Calypso

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 31, 2005 7:13 AM
Just so everyone knows, I was not trying to create animosity with my postings about Swanny's canopy masking methods. I have found that things like that almost seem "magical" to me, because when I try them I end up with a big frosted mess of goo.

Especially, an apology to Steve Filak, Sr. and the comment about "child's play". I was just kidding, it was meant to be light-hearted.

As for my Tomcat, I may end up "harvesting" parts from my currently-defunct A model. If you remember that big canyon in front of the pilot's instrument panel cover, I test fit the canopy on that, over fresh, wet putty, and I now have a frosted windscreen. I may end up using the windscreen from the A kit. Also, I may get the wings from that kit, and have two sets to be interchanged, one with flaps up for swept display, and one with flaps and slats down, for forward display. I really prefer the looks of the 'Cat with wings forward.

This may end up being the most expensive (single) 1/48 F-14 in this forum.
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Posted by Steve Filak on Monday, January 31, 2005 9:29 AM
Not a problem - I have a pretty thick skin..........Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by armorman on Monday, January 31, 2005 10:49 AM
How's this for a Monday morning:
Run out of fuel oil (realtor said that 500 gal tank was full when we bought it, 7 months ago- we only have run it for two months really, we keep the house at 67 in winter. I think she is going to foot the bill)
Sewer guys are tearing up front yard because neighbors are a little too regular- funny thing is they are not doing anything but standing around and looking in the big-@#S hole!!!!!!
Couch delivery guys are morons who cannot find a house that is REALLY easy to find.

Sucks to wake up and it's 46 degrees in the house! To dang cold to airbrush so I guess I'm stuck sitting on my keister. Monday sucks.
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Posted by Steve Filak on Monday, January 31, 2005 12:11 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by DanCooper

Yesss, I've got my academy cat, LOOKS finely detailed at first sight. I think I will use the wings of the Hasa kit, since those come with separete flaps.


Dan-

If you mean the 1/48 kit, it is a very nice, kit, although you'll probably want to re-scribe the forward fuselage. The panel lines are fictitious, to say the least. However, it's a very nice kit, and despite the usual problems with any F-14 kit (particularly the intakes), I think you'll like it. At ARC, there is a pinned post in the Jet Modeling forum which will give you a more detailed rundown on the kit Hope this helps!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 31, 2005 12:13 PM
Jon: Don't you have any space heaters?

Just stay under the covers w/ the missus, if you catch my drift...Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 31, 2005 12:14 PM
Thank you for the update Steve, could you tell me the url of ARC ? I've never heard of it before.
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Posted by armorman on Monday, January 31, 2005 1:47 PM
hehehaha- she went to work claiming not to know anything and she had a lot to do. My desk must be empty. Doubt it. Anyways- oil guys came, couch guys came, and things are getting better. We have the gas logs but they are unvented and I hate the stench- gets to my allergies. I'll have to remind her about the sheets thing. Nice one, Mitch!
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Posted by Steve Filak on Monday, January 31, 2005 2:01 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by PatCooper

Thank you for the update Steve, could you tell me the url of ARC ? I've never heard of it before.


Hi Pat-

Actually, I updated my sig line this morning and added the URL. Check at the bottom of this post, and it'll take you right there.Wink [;)]

Cheers,
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 31, 2005 3:18 PM
Steve - did you get my gallery entry for the F-14 group build?
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Posted by Steve Filak on Monday, January 31, 2005 3:49 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Skii

Steve - did you get my gallery entry for the F-14 group build?


I did get a few in the last couple of days, but I haven't had a chance to update the site yet. Which one was yours? I'll go back and check through my files.

Cheers,
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 31, 2005 4:00 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Steve Filak

QUOTE: Originally posted by Skii

Steve - did you get my gallery entry for the F-14 group build?


I did get a few in the last couple of days, but I haven't had a chance to update the site yet. Which one was yours? I'll go back and check through my files.

Cheers,


It was the Kitech 1/27 F14D - no problem - take your time mate.
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Posted by Steve Filak on Monday, January 31, 2005 4:17 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Skii
It was the Kitech 1/27 F14D - no problem - take your time mate.


Got it! I have all the photos processed, and it will be going up in a few days. Thanks for sending it in - it looks great, BTW!

Cheers,

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 31, 2005 4:44 PM
Cheers Steve !
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