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"What If" A-10 Group Build Idea

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 24, 2004 11:40 PM
Hello,
I was cruzin through the forum here and found your Group Build and the talk of Marine versions of an A10 , which reminded me of a website that I had stumbled on to not long ago in which the I found an artical (of sorts) Arguing for a Marine Corp Verison of the A10 Wink [;)]
Anyway since it is on topic that tought I would post the link in case anyone might want to check it out (the link below - the artical is about half way down the site under the heading "#3 Acquire 149 surplus A-10s for the Marines")
http://www.g2mil.com/Carriers.htm

Anyway good luck to you all in this build - can't wait to see some pics.
Chef [C=:-)]
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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Friday, December 24, 2004 11:45 PM
Trigger,

Yeah, I've always been a firm believer that the Army should have control of the A-10 and the USAF should get the Patriot. Sounds like a fair trade to me, plus, I might actually get to fly an A-10 then!

Its kinda funny, I'm working on a grey Apache in 1/32 and now it looks like I'm gonna have to start a Helo Drab A-10 in the same scale!
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 25, 2004 8:14 AM
Since this is a "what if" built, would it be OK to enter with a "what if Messerschmitt developped the A-10 30 years erlier" ???

BTW, this is not Patricia, it's DanCooper using Pat's pc.
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Posted by tweety1 on Saturday, December 25, 2004 9:34 AM
QUOTE: [Since this is a "what if" built, would it be OK to enter with a "what if Messerschmitt developped the A-10 30 years erlier" ???


They did, well, not Messerschmitt, but the Henschel Hs 129 would have to be considered the A-10 of WWII

My 2 cents [2c]
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Posted by Trigger on Saturday, December 25, 2004 12:07 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Cobrahistorian

Trigger,

Yeah, I've always been a firm believer that the Army should have control of the A-10 and the USAF should get the Patriot. Sounds like a fair trade to me, plus, I might actually get to fly an A-10 then!

Its kinda funny, I'm working on a grey Apache in 1/32 and now it looks like I'm gonna have to start a Helo Drab A-10 in the same scale!


Not sure about that trade, but for what it's worth, you've got my endorsement to fly Hawgs! Big Smile [:D]

I think a gray Apache next to a drab Hawg would be kinda funny actually. Question is, where are you going to get the dozen or so large scale Hellfire missiles to arm it with?

Dan
I'd like to keep this fairly close to "reality" (whatever that may be) since there was some limited foreign interest in the A-10, what would have happened if the design had been as successful on the market as say, the F-4 or C-130. That's why I've asked that configuration should take place from any time within the A-10s service life; from prototype (1973) to retirement (20??).

Now, maybe there was some secret German project that was discovered Allies post-war, but shelved in favor of rockets and high speed aircraft technology; something about a dedicated ground attack jet that combined a Ju88 airframe with Me-262 engines in a configuration that could have inspired Fairchild to develop a certain familiar mud-mover in the way that they did?
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Posted by Trigger on Saturday, December 25, 2004 12:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Iron Chef

Hello,
I was cruzin through the forum here and found your Group Build and the talk of Marine versions of an A10 , which reminded me of a website that I had stumbled on to not long ago in which the I found an artical (of sorts) Arguing for a Marine Corp Verison of the A10 Wink [;)]
Anyway since it is on topic that tought I would post the link in case anyone might want to check it out (the link below - the artical is about half way down the site under the heading "#3 Acquire 149 surplus A-10s for the Marines")
http://www.g2mil.com/Carriers.htm

Anyway good luck to you all in this build - can't wait to see some pics.
Chef [C=:-)]


That's what I've been sayin'! Great article, thanks for sharing!
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Posted by DanCooper on Saturday, December 25, 2004 12:29 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Trigger74


Now, maybe there was some secret German project that was discovered Allies post-war, but shelved in favor of rockets and high speed aircraft technology; something about a dedicated ground attack jet that combined a Ju88 airframe with Me-262 engines in a configuration that could have inspired Fairchild to develop a certain familiar mud-mover in the way that they did?


Ah, I see that you too have discovered Junkers' Unnamed Ground Attack Plane...



Ok, I was just asking, but the problem is that still have an old Hobbycraft 1/72 A-10 laying around here. Maybe in Belgian markings then ???

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Saturday, December 25, 2004 2:00 PM
Hmmm... Grey Apaches and Helo Drab A-10s. I'm definitely gonna have to do it. As for the "developed 30 years earlier", I was always of the opinion that the A-10 was simply a jet powered B-25H! Same basic philosophy, big gun in the nose, lots of armor, 2 engines, twin tails (heck they're even shaped the same!) Only thing is, the A-10 has it beat for bomb load and loiter time. Oh, and speed too!

Needless to say, if I get up to NEAM in 2 weeks, I'm going to take plenty of pics of their A-10!

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Posted by LemonJello on Saturday, December 25, 2004 3:20 PM
Yeah, I'm definitely in this one, what with the "windfall" I found under the tree. I'll be hitting Squadron in the next couple of days to get me a 1/48 A-10, some USMC markings from one of the attack squadrons and a PE set as well. I know I've got some extra ordnance in the pile to hang on this one, now I just need to settle on a paint scheme.
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Posted by Trigger on Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:35 PM
Dan
I've never seen that drawing before in my life. Did you comp that out yourself or it that for real? If you want to do Home-Team Hawg, then go for it! (Hmmmm...maybe I should do a TN ANG Hawg???) Big Smile [:D]

LemonJello
I was seriously considering an A-10M in the CAS role and for what it's worth, here are the USMC schemes I sketched out. Maybe they'll help you generate ideas or make it easier to make a decision (Tough I wasn't even about to try to draw a digital HOGPAT).


1980s OV-10 Bronco/Helicopter Scheme Thumbs Up [tup]
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1980s AV-8B Type Scheme
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1980s AV-8B Type Scheme (Wraparound)
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1990s AV-8B Type 3-Tone Gray Scheme
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ODS AV-8B Type 2-Tone Gray Scheme
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ODS AV-8B Type 2-Tone Gray Scheme (Alternate)
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1991 ODS OV-10 Bronco/Helicopter Scheme Thumbs Up [tup]
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1991 ODS OV-10 Bronco/Helicopter Scheme
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1991 ODS OV-10 Bronco Type Scheme
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Also sketched out:
USN - 4 schemes
USAF - 5 Schemes
USFS - 2 Schemes
Germany - 3 Schemes
South Korea - 1 Scheme
Saudi Arabia - 1 Scheme
Dubai - 1 Scheme
Jordan - 1 Scheme
RAF - 6 Schemes
Japan - 1 Scheme
Canada - 1 Scheme
Israel - 1 Scheme
RAAF - 1 Scheme
Malaysia - 1 Scheme

These can all be viewed at http://homepage.mac.com/grant_little/PhotoAlbum8.html

I've pretty much settled on a Thunderbolt GR.1A and I've got decals on order from TwoBobs. Problem is going to be finding British weapons in 1/48 scale.
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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Monday, December 27, 2004 8:19 AM
I know exactly what I'm doing for mine! Take paint scheme from one Blue Max Apache, apply directly to A-10, add dullcoat, and voila! Army CAS has a new dimension and all the Joes on the ground are very pleased. Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Trigger on Monday, December 27, 2004 10:07 AM
Blue Max Apache? I may be having a Forrest Gump moment here, but is that what the new scheme is called?
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Posted by DanCooper on Monday, December 27, 2004 11:41 AM
It is for real Trigger74, I found it on Luft46 under Junkers Smile [:)]

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Monday, December 27, 2004 12:55 PM
Trigger,

Nope, Blue Max was originally 2nd battalion, 20th Artillery Regiment (Aerial Rocket). in Vietnam beginning in 1966. They initially flew UH-1B and C models in the CAS role and were the first full battalion to convert to the Cobra in 1968. When the 1st Cav Division headed home in 1971, the 3rd Brigade remained in Vietnam and the battalion was downsized to company size, becoming F Battery, 79th Aerial Field Artillery. The unit was instrumental in saving the city of An Loc in the spring of 1972.

After Nam, the unit was disbanded, but was resurrected in 1993 as part of the 1st battalion, 229th Attack helicopter regiment. C Company, 1-229 flew under the Blue Max name until this year, when they were deactivated and the battalion was reactivated under the 3rd Infantry Division. They are now the 3rd Battalion, 3rd Aviation, and Blue Max is Charlie Company. I've got a few buddies in the company, and they're headed overseas in the not so distant future. Keepin my fingers crossed for all of em!

I've got a pic of me standing on a Blue Max AH-64D (01-5278) as the crew is going through their preflight checks. Of course, it was nearly 2 years and 30 lbs ago, but its a neat shot.
Next shot of me on an Apache, I'll be sitting in the front seat, wearing my IHADSS helmet!
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Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:15 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by DanCooper

It is for real Trigger74, I found it on Luft46 under Junkers Smile [:)]


That what-if story I wrote? I was totally making all that up! Creepy!


QUOTE: Originally posted by Cobrahistorian

Trigger,

Nope, Blue Max was originally 2nd battalion, 20th Artillery Regiment (Aerial Rocket). in Vietnam beginning in 1966...

...Next shot of me on an Apache, I'll be sitting in the front seat, wearing my IHADSS helmet!


Thanks for the history lesson Jon; I learn something new every day here!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:14 PM
Trigger74,
Wanted to know if you had the dates lined up for this A-10 What If build? Because I would like to take part if that is cool?
I am thinking of either a “Sea Hog” USMC Carrier Based scheme or a “Hanoi-Hog” Vietnam Close support S.E. Asia camo. Paint scheme
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:20 PM
Also Do you have a Badge design for this GB? Cool [8D]
If not we should get some folks to submit some, even through I am no graphic design artist, I do have Photoshop 7 and would take a crack as long as some other do to so it is not only up to my novice skills Tongue [:P] Black Eye [B)] Wink [;)]
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Posted by Trigger on Friday, December 31, 2004 8:16 AM
Iron Chef

Kick-off date is tomorrow, but it's open-ended. I know that a few people won't be able to start for a while, including myself!

And you're right, we do need a badge. Graphic Design is my job, but I haven't even had time to do one (waitasec.... I just got an idea... gotta jot that down in my sketchpad real quick). The S-70 GB had a common template for everyone to use, dropping in a specific pic and info about the Black hawk they were going to build and on the Attack Helo GB, everyone is doing their own. So if you've got some ideas, then rumble young man, rumble!
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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Friday, December 31, 2004 8:40 AM
Trigger,

Yep, if all continues to go well, I'll be flying Apaches in about a year and a half. From what I've seen, commissioned officers usually fly from the front seat, so that's where I'll be, even after I get qualified as an aircraft commander.
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Posted by GA.modelmaker on Friday, December 31, 2004 8:42 AM
ok got my hog fror the group build, but one question on the paint scheme that i have chosen for it. it sthe snow scheme chart . what fs numbers will that be? will it be LG ghost gray over dark ghost gray. need some more info on that thanks robBig Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Friday, December 31, 2004 8:50 AM
There are 149 A-10s in STORAGE????
I mean, I know there's one at the New England Air Museum, but that's just cuz the A-10 squadron across the street pranged it and it was too costly to bring back to flight status. Hmmmm.... gotta call the Aviation branch and see if we can get a couple! Wink [;)]
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Posted by LemonJello on Friday, December 31, 2004 9:45 AM
Still gotta order my kit. I've been putting it off as I add more and more things to the list (all that Christmas gift money just burning a hole in my pocket, I guess). But I'm looking forward to really getting some kits done this year. I think I've picked some decals from VMFA-333 that are going on this bird for its USMC markings...
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Posted by Trigger on Friday, December 31, 2004 12:22 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Ga.modler

ok got my hog fror the group build, but one question on the paint scheme that i have chosen for it. it sthe snow scheme chart . what fs numbers will that be? will it be LG ghost gray over dark ghost gray. need some more info on that thanks robBig Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]


Rob
Which chart are you referring to, one of mine, one from Don Color or another one? (I didn't do so hot a job of marking the colors used on mine. Oops! Dunce [D)])

I've got my Hawg, but I'll need British bombs and TwoBobs is still waiting on the decals from the supplier.

Hey Jon, how's the book coming along?
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Posted by fighterguru on Friday, December 31, 2004 10:06 PM
what is the start date for this GB?
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Posted by Trigger on Saturday, January 1, 2005 7:47 AM
Official kick-off is today, so start whenever you can!

Party [party]Party [party]Party [party]Party [party] Happy New Year everyone! Party [party]Party [party]Party [party]Party [party]
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Posted by LemonJello on Saturday, January 1, 2005 10:23 AM
The order is in, so now I just have to keep an eye on the mailbox and I'll be good to go!

Looking forward to seeing what everyone else does with theirs.
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Posted by Trigger on Saturday, January 1, 2005 10:30 PM
LemonJello -
Any luck with the JSOWs?
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Posted by LemonJello on Sunday, January 2, 2005 9:11 AM
Nah, I put that on the back burner, I'm thinking I'll hang a mix of Rockeyes, LGBs and a few sticks of iron bombs on this one. I flirted with trying to find/convert some 1/35 or 1/48 mini guns to put on my hog, but that may be getting a little carried away.
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Posted by Trigger on Sunday, January 2, 2005 7:25 PM
Additional cannon on an A-10? Wow! Shock [:O]

I'm not sure that qualifies as "carried away." I for one don't think of "too much firepower" when I think of an A-10.
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Posted by LemonJello on Friday, January 7, 2005 2:57 PM
Well, Squadron Claus dropped off a package today, so now I have my A-10. I bought a Hobbycraft kit, and it's going to take some work, the cockpit is going to need a little work the instrument faces are nonexistant, but this way I can make some MFDs to put in there, give my pit an upgrade. I was kinda thinking of taking a spare Pave Spike pod and making a sort of TRAM turret on the fuselage for the LGBs I'm going to hang on a couple of weapons stations.

Anyway, just thought I'd get an update in.

This should be a lot of fun.
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