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AIRCRAFT - Battle of Britain Group Build (Jan 1st 2005 - May 31st 2005)

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Posted by osher on Saturday, April 30, 2005 5:49 AM
Hi Tony. If you want a 1/72 bf-110 there is the Airfix offering, which basically has a hole where the cockpit is. I can't remember what the details are like, but It's probably Airfix like! It's also Out Of Production (OOP), but can be found with some looking. I believe it's also BoB era. The only other 1/72 BoB era 110 is the OOP Fujimi offering. It's not bad, but it really needs the Airwaves detailing set.

With later bf-110G series there is more choice (the 'antler' one). The Italieri one is really good, except the panel lines are raised. Why, oh why, oh why, do Italeri, even sometimes with recent aircraft, persist in this?! However, if you can live with this flaw, or want to rescribe (I think probably not too difficult with this aircraft), then it's not bad at all. There is also a High Planes kit. Never seen it, but knowing High Planes reputation, possibly not as good as the cheaper Italeri.

For the bf-210A there would seem to be offering from Bilek, Revell, and Italeri. As Bilek produce moulds for these Revell and Italeri, and, at least in part, are paid by producing their own kits from the moulds, I would guess that all 3 are offering the same kit. Maybe the Bilek bf-210B is an update?

For the Hornisse (the bf-410), there is only Eduard, who supply it in 3 different flavours. As their offering is based on the Fine Molds offering, as Eduard have a fine reputation, and even by Eduard standards the price is high, I'm guessing it's a fine kit.

BTW, thanks very much for your offer of the Spitfire part. I might need it too! Do you by chance also have a spare rear canopy? My Tamiya one is broken, and my vac-form replacement doesn't fit well? If so, I'd really appreciate that too. Is there anything you'd like from England?
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Posted by taxtp on Saturday, April 30, 2005 3:22 AM
Tom - thanks for the tip ! I hadn't thought of trying a cotton bud, all experiment with that too.
Karl - I like your Hurricane, When I saw the squadron code LK-A, it somehow reminded me that the original Matchbox 1/72 release also depicted this aircraft ( I think). Yours is a hell of a lot better than that one !
Osher - I've cannibalised a Tamiya Spitfire Vb for parts, if you need a bulkhead, and this one will do, let me know. Before you ask, I also lost some parts from a Spitfire I was doing. I was looking htrough my decal collection the other night, thinking also about doing a few Me 110s. THe glassgouse puts me off a bit though...yuk, all that masking. What are the 1/72 options and how good are they ? I've always wanted to do a Hornisse.
Cheers
Tony Mollica

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 30, 2005 2:24 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200

Finally some pics.........

The starboard side showing 'Figaro' Ian Gleed's personal logo.



From the back, showing the drooped elevators.



The underside, showing the poor job I made of the rear wing to fuselage joint.



Will probably try and get the canopy sorted tonight.

Karl

Karl she's looking real good buddyThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Good to see you have the decal problem worked out..............

[b]Osher & Tony[b] your builds are progressing nicely fellasThumbs Up [tup] Looking forward to seeing the finished buildsBig Smile [:D]
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Posted by pingtang on Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:50 AM
Tony Your builds are very nice. I've recently worked on both of those kits, they are very good kits aren't they? Looking forward to seeing how yours turn out.

Osher Good looking progress on the 110 mate.
-Daniel
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Friday, April 29, 2005 8:38 PM
Tony, Both builds look like they are progressing nicely.

Osher, The 110 is looking great.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, April 29, 2005 8:14 PM
Osher - good progress!!! I see you did a good job on the IP and cockpit with that PE! I was impressed how well they molded even the fabris surfaces on the 1/72 sized 110. I'll have to take a second look at mine and see what it looks like in 1/48, I don't remember the elavators and such looking as good...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by osher on Friday, April 29, 2005 8:08 PM
Another Tamiya Spitfire Mk.1/1a 1/48 scale? It will be interesting to compare them all. Mine is facing the dilema of losing it's bulkhead! I hope I can find it again...

The bf-110 is now almost at paint prep stage. Pedals, levels, and something that looks like an ear (!), have all been added. The control stick is in, and the inside has been matted. The fuselage has been closed up, and attached to the mainplane. Finally it looks like an aircraft! Here are some pictures:



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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, April 29, 2005 7:29 PM
Tony - maybe using a Qtip (cotton bud, I think I heard Sean refer to it as?) anyway... almost like drybrushing... with a toothpick or something get the end of the qtip a little frazzled and basically drybrush the spots on... besides airbrushing which might not give the same effect I wouldnt know how to do it otherwise... I am sure there is someone with a better andswer though!!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by taxtp on Friday, April 29, 2005 5:19 PM
and here is the 1/48 Tamiya 109E-4. You may see how I've broken the tail strut. I always seem to do this on 109s, and it really bugs me.
I don't think the fit of this kit is as good as other Tamiya kits I've done, and I think I may have too much dihedral in the wings.
I was going to finish this in Rumanian colours, but since a BoB machine qualifies it for the group build, I'll go with Helmut Wick's machine,as per th box art/ Apparently this was applied with a sponge on the real aircraft, I've got no idea how to replicate it in 1/48, so I might have to experiment with a sponge too.
Cheers
Tony Mollica

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Posted by taxtp on Friday, April 29, 2005 5:04 PM
Here is where my Tamiya 1/48 Spitfire 1a is at. As you can see, it's well advanced. Next is the Dk Earth, using cut up photo copies of the kit instructions camo pattern as masks.
Cheers
Tony Mollica

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, April 29, 2005 4:24 PM
if Rick doesnt have them I might have them, depending on style and size...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Friday, April 29, 2005 3:29 PM
Jay, Go ahead & post the pics. I may have some underwing roundels that would work.

Regards, Rick
RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by jboutin on Friday, April 29, 2005 2:00 PM
Osher, I think I just had some crappy decals. I think the upper wings are acceptable, the fuselage I'lll have to do some touch up with paint and the underwing roundels, well I should have just left them becasue they look even worse now.
I really don't know how I'm going to fix those ones, unless someone has underwing roundels they won't be using?

I'll try to take some pics and post them. It really isn't pretty.
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Posted by osher on Friday, April 29, 2005 12:31 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

Osher --- hmmm I am involved in quite a few builds right now but I think I might do a marathon on the Bf110 because it would be interesting to see them side by side...


Well, that would be really cool!
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, April 29, 2005 6:57 AM
Osher --- hmmm I am involved in quite a few builds right now but I think I might do a marathon on the Bf110 because it would be interesting to see them side by side...

Darren -- haven't really started researching the AM yet but will send you a list of what I find... the kit looks to go together at least as good as a Hasegawa kit... just not a lot of detail...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by KJ200 on Friday, April 29, 2005 2:34 AM
Guys Thanks for the kind words on the Hurricane. I've learnt alot with this build, mainly about decals, setting solutions, and panel shading!!!

Jay I think the problem I had with the Hasa decals for the Hurri were self inflicted, in that I used both Gunze Mr Mark Setter and Softer(Yes Softer, not softener) solutions. Now I just use the setting solution which is excellent, and leaves the decals looking paionted on, even the thick old Hasa ones!!!!Thumbs Up [tup]

Osher I had the same issues with the PE on my, still unfinished, Do217. It;s small enough in 1/48, let alone 1/72! Looking forward to seeing pics of your progress.

Progress Update

Not a lot really. Sliced the kit canopy to make use of the forward portion, as the vac form one doesn't fit as well. Just need to mask and paint, along with the sliding section.

I'm hoping to have it all done by the end of next week, especially as I have a long weekend coming up.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Posted by darson on Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:18 PM
Karl lovely work of your Hurricane, it looks fantastic Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]. I'm really glad you were able to repair the damage done previously. From your photos you can't even see there was any damage.

Osher you must have steadier hands than me, because I have enough trouble with 1/48 PE. I don't know why but I ordered a PE set for my 1/72 Harrier that I'm doing for the RAAF 'What If" GB.

Tom, that 1/48 Fujimi kit sounds like it could be a starter (for me) for the next BoB GB. Do you know anybody who makes decent AM bits for that kit?

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by osher on Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:06 PM
Thanks for the encouragement guys! The Fujimi 1/72 bf-110 does go together smoothly, and despite being an old kit (the decals are yellowed, and not that comprehensive) has not real flaws so far, and no need for filler. There is though little in the way of details, and the ariels are a bit thick. Adding an aftermarket set really brings this kit alive. It does have moulded in belts for the pilot though. Still, the panels lines are nice, and recessed. The Italeri kit on the other hand has better details, but raised panel lines. For reference, the after market kit I used was the Airwaves one, which is now made by Hannants (the shop people) and not by ED models anymore, even though older kits say that they are from that stable.

Having seen wha telse you've produced Tom, I have no hesitation in thinking that if you start on the Fujimi bf-110, it will be something superb! Can you finish it by the end of May though? Now that is a challenge! Seriously, it would be interesting to compare the 1/72 and the 1/48 kits.
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:29 PM
Osher, looking forward to seeing the build. Sounds great.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:23 PM
Osher - after assembling the Fujimi 1/48 Bf110 cockpit at the first of the GB I decided it would actually look wonderful with some PE or some resin... I might get another one and have another go at a good looking cockpit on it... the kit itself looked like it would go together rather smoothly!!!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by osher on Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:27 PM
Define frustration: attaching PE levers to a 1/72 cockpit sidewall. Breathe in the wrong direction, and just breath will blow those things away... However, they are now attached to bf-110, as are the foot pedals. The tub is also now attached to one fuselage side. Just need a couple more bits or so, and the fuselage can be closed up. As the mainplanes and nancelles are already completed, I should be ready for attaching the canopy, then painting. I can't believe that after 2 months or so, I'm finally almost at that stage! As I'll paint the Spit at the same time, I should have some pictures ready soon. The PE does really enhance the cockpit though (1/72 Fujimi bf-110 C), so maybe worth the agro in the long-run!
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Posted by taxtp on Thursday, April 28, 2005 4:21 PM
Hi Darren,
Put me down for both, and a 'probable' on a Tamiya 1/48 109E as well. I'd forgotton I had it in the stash.
Thanks for making me welcome, now I'll have to get on with it !
Cheers
Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by jboutin on Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:46 AM
I was talking to one of the LHS guys here and he was saying that I'm the third guy he knows who built the hasegawa kit, tried using the Kit decals and had problems with them. Oh well, I think I have aplan so we'll see how it works out in a few days.Sigh [sigh]
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Posted by pingtang on Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:48 AM
Karl Your Hurricane is looking great. Glad you got it sorted out after the decalling drama.

-Daniel
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Posted by darson on Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:26 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by taxtp

I may be too late. I've just signed up here, and I happen to have a 1/48 Spitfire 1 and a 1/72 109E on the go. Can I join this group build (my first one), or am I too late ?
Thanks
Tony (taxtp)
Melbourne Australia


Tony first of all Sign - Welcome [#welcome] to FSM and of course you can join in. What do you want me to put you down for, the Spit or the 109 or both? By the way it's always great to see another fellow Melbournian on the forum.

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:31 PM
looks great Karl!!! a real winner of a color scheme there... I like the faded black look!

tax! good to see you joining in! Darson is the moderator here and can let ya know any specifics about joining but thought I would say hi all the same!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by razordws on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:26 PM
Looking good Karl, acn't wait to see it finished.

Keep at it Jay and show us some pics one of these days.Big Smile [:D]

Dave

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Posted by jboutin on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:00 PM
Looking good Karl. I have been slowly adding micro sol and I even tried micro set too. it is slowly settling down. I may have to live with a few wrinkles anyway! Taped Shut [XX] Other than that I truly am having fun with this build!Black Eye [B)]
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:39 PM
Looking good Karl. The underside join is a real bear, but yours looks OK in the pics. Thanks for the post.

Regards, Rick
RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:35 PM
Finally some pics.........

The starboard side showing 'Figaro' Ian Gleed's personal logo.



From the back, showing the drooped elevators.



The underside, showing the poor job I made of the rear wing to fuselage joint.



Will probably try and get the canopy sorted tonight.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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