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KINGTHAD

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May 2004
From: Dallas

Posted by KINGTHAD on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 8:37 AM

Tom your bird looks good from here. Hey I use the Vallejo paints myself but I thin it with dist. water when I (ab), dose the Vallejo thinner make a big difference?

Thad

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rjkplasticmod

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February 2003
From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State

Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 10:10 AM

Fightnjoe Who ?? Don't worry Joe, we wont forget you. Leave you standing in the dust maybe, but not forgotten Smile [:)]

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Regards, Rick

RICK

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tho9900

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July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 5:19 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by KINGTHAD

Tom your bird looks good from here. Hey I use the Vallejo paints myself but I thin it with dist. water when I (ab), dose the Vallejo thinner make a big difference?

Thad

Thad, I think it does.. on the side it lists "does not reduce adhesion or speed drying of acrylic paint" so I think it has some kind of adhesive additive as well as a retarder. (Just the fact they list is as NOT doing those things) I've mostly used it since the guy at the LHS recommended it... his stuff is real high quality so I took his word for it and can't argue to say the least! Plus at 3 to 10 drops being the most I have used so far each time I paint, it really hasn't used much at all!!!

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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tho9900

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July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 5:22 PM

oh yeah to clarify for Rick on what I posted yesterday... no prob with tip dry, the worse I have had happen is once in a great while I have to give it a little "extra heavy shot" of paint on a slip of paper to keep it flowing well... but I have looked at the tip and seen no paint build up there... and there's not any paint on the neddle itself really when I take the needle out for the nightly cleaning before I put it all up...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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Tankmaster7

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August 2004
From: Nowhere. (Long Island)

Posted by Tankmaster7 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 5:45 PM

OK so in the box of my dornier, not great to say the least. Raised panel lines, (but to give them credit they are very nicely and deliocately raised) barely any cockpit detail ( the instrument panel is a flat piece of plastic with a PAPER cutout to glue on). Being strapped for cash right now (allowance and all you know) I plan on building it out of the box anyway. It may not be great, but I hope I can make it look halfway decent at least...

-Tanky

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 5:46 PM

Joe, no problems at all, the build has a long time left to go and you can join in anytime you like. If you want to nominate your build I can add you to the front page.

Tom, the Martlet is looking very impressive and almost done!!!! Thanks again for the Future.

Tanky, another reason I Future over the top of my decals is to protect them from the panel line washes and weathering process.

Cheers
Darren

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 5:57 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Tankmaster7

OK so in the box of my dornier, not great to say the least. Raised panel lines, (but to give them credit they are very nicely and deliocately raised) barely any cockpit detail ( the instrument panel is a flat piece of plastic with a PAPER cutout to glue on). Being strapped for cash right now (allowance and all you know) I plan on building it out of the box anyway. It may not be great, but I hope I can make it look halfway decent at least...

Tanky don't sweat the quality of the kit you're building, the point of this GB was to get together build some models and have a bit of fun. Oh and I'm still looking forward to seeing your build!!

Cheers
Darren

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fightnjoe

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September 2011

Posted by fightnjoe on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 6:00 PM

darren problem is i am not sure which i want to do yet. as soon as i decide i will post it.

joe

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rjkplasticmod

Member since
February 2003
From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State

Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 6:31 PM

Tanky, the Monogram Do-17Z was a state of the art kit when it first came out. It is very accurate in outline, just lacking interior detail, and raised panel lines were all the rage when the kit was tooled. I am amazed that no one has yet to do a modern tooled version, but Rumours are ( I love Rumours, especially starting them) that Hasegawa will release a new tool kit in 1/72 sometime this year.

Regards, Rick

RICK

At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...

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Tankmaster7

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August 2004
From: Nowhere. (Long Island)

Posted by Tankmaster7 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 6:37 PM

Yeah it does seem state of the art when it was released. The raised panel lines are numerous and nicely done, and the exterior detail is quite nice. You're right, the outline looks dead on when I compared it with some pics. I wish I could buy the Eduard PE detail set for the cockpit but ahhh well... Interestingly enough the decals look VERY VERY old, but they have not yellowed yet. The whit is just kinda greyish.

-Tanky

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rjkplasticmod

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February 2003
From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State

Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 6:42 PM

Tanky, best not to use the old decals. They were poor quality when new, can't imagine how bad they would be now.

Regards, Rick

RICK

At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...

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tho9900

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July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 6:51 PM

Don't sweat it Tanky! Everyone knows Nurse Kremps took all your good kits when she got fired!

Actually some of the good quality older kits don't build into bad models... the revered Monogram OS2U Kingfisher is one... yeah it lacks any interior detail but sitting on a shelf it's allright!!

Just sit back, sip on a cold glass of Future and enjoy yourself!

Darren thanks for the compliment... I realy am anxious to do another now that this one is nearing completion... I may put finishing this one off for tonight as I am very tired and the puppy had no plans of letting me have a quick nap when I came home...

Rick - ooooohhh now THAT would be nice! (a Hasegawa mold of the Do-17)

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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tho9900

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July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 6:58 PM

Tanky, measure the size of the crosses on the decal sheet and give them to me.... if they are close to any of the ones I have I can at least get you that much from a new decal sheet. (have some for a Bf110 and an He111 so one of the two should match fairly close)

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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rjkplasticmod

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February 2003
From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State

Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 7:12 PM

Short progress report on the 109. Got the washes for the panel lines & light weathering done today. Now its final assembly & flat coat time. Have a couple of other projects as well, but should finish the 109 this weekend. Spent about an hour drybrushing the Hurricane IP. It came out pretty good.

Regards, Rick

RICK

At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...

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Tankmaster7

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August 2004
From: Nowhere. (Long Island)

Posted by Tankmaster7 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 7:37 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by rjkplasticmod

Tanky, best not to use the old decals. They were poor quality when new, can't imagine how bad they would be now.

Regards, Rick

Hmmmm.... can you direct me to a source for AM decals then?

-Tanky

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rjkplasticmod

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February 2003
From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State

Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 7:43 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Tankmaster7

QUOTE: Originally posted by rjkplasticmod

Tanky, best not to use the old decals. They were poor quality when new, can't imagine how bad they would be now.

Regards, Rick

Hmmmm.... can you direct me to a source for AM decals then?

Well, you'll probably have to use generic sheets for codes & National Insignia. I doubt there are any AM sheets for this old kit. Or some sheets for He-111 or D0-217 might be useable, with a little modelers license.

Regards, Rick

RICK

At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...

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Tankmaster7

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August 2004
From: Nowhere. (Long Island)

Posted by Tankmaster7 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 7:43 PM

Man oh man!!!!!! You come thorugh in spades every single time tho!!!! (even if you don't have the decals this statement still holds true.) Does this generosity run in the family? anyway tis 1/72 scale. Comes with 2 BIG crosses and 4 little crosses. The 2 biggies measure 2.6 cm each way. the 4 smallies measur just under 1.5cm each way.

-Tanky

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Tankmaster7

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August 2004
From: Nowhere. (Long Island)

Posted by Tankmaster7 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 7:45 PM

rick, would squadron have these sheets?

-Tanky

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Tankmaster7

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August 2004
From: Nowhere. (Long Island)

Posted by Tankmaster7 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 7:52 PM

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=MS720040 I know there's no pictures but does seem about right? They match pretty close I think. Are the measurements referring to the width of each individual letter?

-Tanky

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tho9900

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July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 8:24 PM

let me check the He111 decals Tanky... I forgot but my Bf110 is 1/48 so probably too big... I'll measure them too just in case! I'll also check around for other AM decals that might be of use to me and if they are order them and cut off some for you too!

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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razordws

Member since
September 2004
From: Vernon, BC, Canada

Posted by razordws on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 8:29 PM

Tanky:

If Tom can't salvage what you need for markings from his spares box let me know because I have some Italeria Ju 188 markings that still look nice and may fit the need if Tom doesn't have enough. Also, what about the swaztika? What size is it? And do you know what code letters you need (what came with the kit)? You may have to stick with the original kits unit markings(badge?) though unless you are really lucky.

Dave

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 8:37 PM

Tanky, what you linked to was squadron markings.. no crosses or swastikas or anything... good news is I have set of crosses at 13mm on one of my sheets... not those are going to be for the wings or fuselage only... there should be another set of crosses for the other.. which in 1/72 I imagine are smaller... let me know what those are too... if I dont have them maybe Razor has them.. we can piece together what we have and make something decent for ya.. now as far as markings for squadrons and such you might have to stick with the kit offerings.. I will see what I can come up with and between all of us maybe we can get you set up! those markings you linked to might work if the originals were in yellow too..

Stay tuned!!!

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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Tankmaster7

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August 2004
From: Nowhere. (Long Island)

Posted by Tankmaster7 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 8:38 PM

well this is a revell of germany kit so no swastikas were provided at all. I like the swaudron badge though. It's a little devil witha rocke coming out off his @*$. The code letters that came with it are F1+FH with the seconf f in white. You guys are so helpful!!! I love this forum!!! I love you guys too (breaks into tears and starts sobbing)!!!!

-Tanky

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Tankmaster7

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August 2004
From: Nowhere. (Long Island)

Posted by Tankmaster7 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 8:39 PM

oh yeah the other littler crosse are 1.3 cm each way.

-Tanky

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tho9900

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July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 9:08 PM

Tanky - sorry I didnt recall from your earlier post... will see if I have something near 2.6cm in my stash... definitely have the other ones though...

Rick - looking forward to your build getting closer to done! I want pics!!! hahah....

this has been a great group build and am happy to have shared it with yall... now if we can get Tweety off the Future we can go back to business!!!

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 3, 2005 12:35 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Tankmaster7

well this is a revell of germany kit so no swastikas were provided at all. I like the swaudron badge though. It's a little devil witha rocke coming out off his @*$. The code letters that came with it are F1+FH with the seconf f in white. You guys are so helpful!!! I love this forum!!! I love you guys too (breaks into tears and starts sobbing)!!!!

Tanky don't let Ol Kremps catch you in an emotional state or she'll stick that ruddy great big horse needle in yor butt Wink [;)]

i'm speaking from experience here Black Eye [B)]

Darren Maaaaate if you not gonna use that Tamiya C/pit door then by all means send it up, i taxed the one i had for the Has MK 8 and didn't have one to put in the Tamiya MK1 when i built it Disapprove [V]

but only send it if your not intending on useing it Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom your Martlett is coming along very nicely Cool [8D]

great subject choice to stay on the fringe Tongue [:P]

Looking forward to seeing it finished Thumbs Up [tup]

BTW i prefer my Future warm with a pink and white marshmellow on top Wink [;)]

Rick 400 finished builds........Holy S- -t[:0][:0][:0][:0]Soooo what do you do in your spare time Question [?]

But i can't talk i'm slowly catching up, the F6F iv'e just finished is no 6 only 394 to go Wink [;)]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 3, 2005 1:19 AM

Rick That P-51 Mustang that you did in Tuskegge markings, Bunnie do you remember what Aeromaster code the decal sheet is Question [?]

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Thursday, February 3, 2005 1:49 AM

I just found a half finished Airfix 1:72 Spitfire MkIIa (this kit has the fuselage out of true between the cockpit and the tail). I was brush painting it with Humbrol Enamels for some reason. Cannot even remember when I started this, but as a quicky build it is just the ticket....

So, I am finishing it up as part of this GB, would that be ok Darren?

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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KJ200

Member since
July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Thursday, February 3, 2005 2:21 AM

Tanky I bought the Warpaint Do217 profile for my 217K build, but it has a load of pictures of BoB period machines.

Let me know what version of the 217 your building, and I'll scan some suitable photos and profiles for you.

Tom Finally got on the PC at home last night, so got a look at the Martlet, looks great.

Rick 400 builds!!!!!!! At my current build rate that works out at around 40 years worth of work!!!!

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Thursday, February 3, 2005 6:20 AM

Jules, no problems mate one Spitfire door on its way up, I'll chuck in some reference material as well that you may find useful.

Mike, yeah no issues on the 1/72 Spit, but I had you down for a 1/48 Spit Mk.II as well, are you still doing that?

Cheers
Darren

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