AIRCRAFT - Battle of Britain Group Build (Jan 1st 2005 - May 31st 2005)

QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900 yeah, I need to see what shipping would be for me to send you guys a bottle each of Future... I'll look it up on the postal service site tonight... if it's not too bad I will send 2 or 3 bottles to one person and they can divvy it up and send it out to the other guys... a little bit goes a long way! You can order it online at greatmodels.. but they want like $6 for a 4 ounce bottle... the entire 27 ounce bottle is only $4.50 at the store! It's robbery!

OK I'll admit it, I'm the fool that has ordered the 4 ounce bottle of Future from GM. I did as a bit of a test so that I could see if there is any practical difference between our Pledge One-Go and Future. Bottom line is that there is a difference and that I now use my little bottle of Future instead of One-Go.

Tom thanks very much for the offer but if the postage cost is a hassle for you then I would be more than happy to help cover the costs of sending a few bottles of Future to Aus. Let me know what you want to do.

Cheers
Darren

odd... I just went to look to see how much it would cost to send some Future y'alls way and found these prohibitions on what can be sent to Australia..

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Country Conditions for Mailing - Australia
Prohibitions (130)

Coins; bank notes; currency notes (paper money); securities of any kind payable to bearer; traveler's checks; platinum, gold, and silver (manufactured or not); precious stones; jewelry; and other valuable articles are prohibited.

Fruit cartons (used or new).

Goods bearing the name "Anzac."

Goods produced wholly or partly in prisons or by convict labor.

Perishable infectious biological substances.

Radioactive materials.

Hedgehogs, Gerbils, Squirrels, Mice and other small rodents.

Registered philatelic articles with fictitious addresses.

Seditious literature.

Silencers for firearms.

Used bedding.

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Used bedding? hmmm... I was just thinking about shipping "Old Mildred", my favorite pillow to Sean too... they would have got on just great too!

And what do you Aussies have against cute little squirrels and hedgehogs??? (okokokok I added that one myself )

I'll post when I can find out how much it is to ship.. there are about 15 ways to ship it to you and I am trying to balance speed with cost here...

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wonder about the prohibition against goods labeled Anzac? can anyone help me out with that one?

yeah, I need to see what shipping would be for me to send you guys a bottle each of Future... I'll look it up on the postal service site tonight... if it's not too bad I will send 2 or 3 bottles to one person and they can divvy it up and send it out to the other guys... a little bit goes a long way! You can order it online at greatmodels.. but they want like $6 for a 4 ounce bottle... the entire 27 ounce bottle is only $4.50 at the store! It's robbery!

Jules, I told you that's not ointment.. It's turpentine, so she can smell you coming next time you try to sneak up on her!

Yeah we use Pledge one go here in Aus, apparently it's a little different from Future but i wouldn't know cause we don't have Future here unfortunatlyBut anyway i've all but ditched useing gloss clear in preferance of pledge, it always seems to dry alot smoother and flatter

TOM The smell isn't my fault it's the ointment Nurse Kremp insists on applying......

Tweets Billiard balls, I dunno it kinda just popped in there, makes for an interesting mental picture though eh

You asked for it Jay, here it is!

http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html

GREAT for canopies and the like, used to clear coat your model before weathering, seals decals (I even use it for instrument panel decals to make sure they stay)

Great stuff and arguably the cheapest thing you'll buy for your modeling hobby! At $3.50 a bottle that seems like it never runs dry it's a bargain!

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ditto on the photobucket thing... it's free, easy to use.. and it already puts the correct link in under the photo (the last link out of the 3) so you just copy and paste it here!

QUOTE: Originally posted by jboutin This must be a recent thing as 10 years ago I never hear of it. I've been reading on tips and stuff and I even heard others in this GB talk about using future floor polish as a clear coat before applying decals and even as a sealant. I was looking at my cleaning supplies cupborard and found some future, how is it used in modelling? Will it work over acrylics which is what I try to stick to. If I can get some digital pics of my hurricane, who could I send them to for posting? I've just started so there's not much to see.

I use Future to coat clear parts, some times use as a base for decals. However, I'll let the experts give advise on this one. However, for posting photos, I use photobucket. Go to www.photobucket.com and you can set up a free account. Post your pics there, copy the last link in under the photo into your message and you have pictures! Technology is a wonderful thing.

This must be a recent thing as 10 years ago I never hear of it. I've been reading on tips and stuff and I even heard others in this GB talk about using future floor polish as a clear coat before applying decals and even as a sealant. I was looking at my cleaning supplies cupborard and found some future, how is it used in modelling? Will it work over acrylics which is what I try to stick to.

If I can get some digital pics of my hurricane, who could I send them to for posting? I've just started so there's not much to see.

Hey Bob it was me looking for some pics of the HE 111 thanks for the help. Me and my 2yr old son went to the flight museum this weekend here in Dallas to look at the one they have. it helped but they have it stuck in a corner and you really could not see the whole plane, but it still was fun to see all the war birds.

Thad

cool! thanks Bob! I'll check that out from my build when I get ready for it... getting close enough to done on this build I neec to start thinking about the next!

Yeah, in the fall I used to like to open up the windows on my old 260Z and ride down the Blueridge Parkway -- all the way into Kentucky sometimes... THAT was freedom!!! open road, all the colors on the trees... leaves swishing into a little vortex behind you on the road... ::sigh:: Down here we have 2 seasons... hot....and hotter! for 2 weeks every Jan it gets down in to the 20's which to us is cold, as you don't buy a lot of cool weather gear for only 2 weeks of misery... in Feb there is 1 week of even a little colder then it's in the 70's again, hitting in the 80's by march!

I forget who else was looking for reference photos of He111's (it was soooo many posts ago) but here is a link-there are some decent pics and drawings at the bottom of the page. On the web page you can click on the link and get a decent .jpg

http://www.europa1939.com/luftwaffe/bombarderos/he111.html

QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900 QUOTE: Originally posted by bobbaily I'm still debating on the best way to handle the canopy-the framing lines are not raised in the Monogram kit. Difficult to pick them out. I have an E-Z mask but I'm thinking about cutting some masking tape to lay on the frames, then use liquid mask over the whole thing, scribe and remove the tape. I wish outsourcing were an option.... hmmm are the framing lines etched in? as in sunken? if so Tweety's idea of using Bare Metal Foil would work like a champ. If you can get us a pic of it and we'll see what we can come up with!

I need to take a look this pm when I get home. If memory serves me correct, the outer surface if smooth (or close to it) with only a faint line that appears to be in the inside. Again, I confirm and advise tomorrow. Thanks. And fall is wonderful here-unfortunatly, it doesn't last until spring. It's 12 degrees F here today-down to 6 tonight.

Rick - looking forward to it! I know the feeling --- got industrious decalling my SBD yesterday, then noticed it was 4pm and hadn't done a thing to the Martlet!

Tweety --- I will not dignify such accusations with a reply... It's a conspiracy I tell ya.. all this talk of flouride in the water! It's goverment mind control at work! Good luck on the overspray.. noticed a tiny bit at the trailing edge of the wing root last night but hoping to cover that with the dk sea grey so won't worry about it...

Got sidetracked finishing up another build, so not as much progress on my 109 as I had planned. Hope to finish the basic painting this week. Will post some pics later.

Regards, Rick

QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900 Cossack - we're always berserk! It's Sean's fault though.. he comes in here all hyperactive and stuff and the mood just transfers over to Jules and I! We were innocent lads till he came along and made our aquaintance... now he's drawn us to the bad...

OHHHHHHHHHHHH, thats rich!!!!
Here I was, minding my own beeswax (of which I have alot of, it's a medical thing!), and now this Tom character goes blaming ME for his imbalance.
Tch Tch Tch.
Me and Jules can blame the stuff they put in the water, with Tom, it's hereditary.

Well, got the camo all finished on the 109
Removed the Blu Tak, and noticed a fair bit of overspray that shouldn't be there[:0]
Thats what you get for 9 hours at work, 4 hours playing sport, and then trying to airbrush without zoning out
Ah well, some gentle love with the blade should see her right.
Will post some pics after I Pledge this pidgon in preparation for decaling.

I have to admit I love the Aeromaster decals.
This will be the third set I have used, and I will keep using them.
They just go on so well, snuggle down with some Sol, and don't tear when I trim them with a knife to settle them into panel lines.
I'll stop ranting now.

QUOTE: Originally posted by bobbaily I'm still debating on the best way to handle the canopy-the framing lines are not raised in the Monogram kit. Difficult to pick them out. I have an E-Z mask but I'm thinking about cutting some masking tape to lay on the frames, then use liquid mask over the whole thing, scribe and remove the tape. I wish outsourcing were an option....

hmmm are the framing lines etched in? as in sunken? if so Tweety's idea of using Bare Metal Foil would work like a champ. If you can get us a pic of it and we'll see what we can come up with!

hmmm.. we need to do away with time zones then we could all be on at once and there wouldn't be so much to answer in one message!

Bob, believe it or not that SBD 2 is gonna be an easier build that that He111 I bet... a more detailed kit but it goes together sweet! no gaps... when ya get to it ,the only parts you'll have to spend time on are the cockpit and the landing gear need a little tweeking to go in right... I also recommend either using Microset on the decals, or buying aftermarket ones as the AM decals seem a little thick and don't settle into the panel lines very well. Feel free to ask if you run into any problems when you get to it... I've built 3 so far and know someone who has built 6 so I'm sure we've seen anything you might come up on!

P.S. I went to college with a couple from Charleston.. great people! unfortunately we fell out of touch.. such is the life of the military! One of the girls I dated was from Morgantown... One of these days I'm gonna make a fall trip up there to see the leaves turn again... I miss that here. (they turn brown and fall off in 1 week, hadly any color at all)

Tweety actually I decided the flowers on the wall look pretty there... it's the bugs I don't like... oooh! watch out there's one on your back! yeah I decided against the masking tape and liquid mask both.. going for the blue tak.. maybe cut the blown up camo and place between the blue taks to guard against overspray..

Darren thanks for the tip on the frisket.. didn't think about the body yet was thinking about wings, good thing someone's thinking ahead of me!... gonna use the blue tak idea though,.. and thanks for the analogy... sausages... now I am hungry!

Karl - I've had a lot of holidays the last few weeks so have had some concentrated build time in... believe me I wouldn't be surprised to see it sit there without the masking another week or so if I don't get it done today!

Cossack - we're always berserk! It's Sean's fault though.. he comes in here all hyperactive and stuff and the mood just transfers over to Jules and I! We were innocent lads till he came along and made our aquaintance... now he's drawn us to the bad...

QUOTE: Tom Are those Vallejo paints acrylic? If they are, I would not advise putting a liquid mask on it other than Humbrols Maskol or similar. Stuff like Micro Mask stick to acrylics and NEVER come off. Use the Blu Tak method, it'll give a better 'natural' looking edge IMHO

I used Humbrol's Maskol with Blutak last month to mask off the camo on my PZL 24G...........

.........BAD MOVE!!!!!

Little purple squiggles everywhere. Distinctly non-standard camo.

As for my Hurricane I've done nothing so far, still have a Dornier 217, the aforementioned PZL and a Ju 287 to complete, before I dare start the Hurricane. Was it May this year the GB ends?

Love the work everyone else is doing, you all seem to acheive so much so quickly!

Karl

Hey all!!
Jules Billiard balls!!!!!
Man, what made you think that one up!
I'm praying I don't get a visual of that, I can't afford the therapy.
Tom Are those Vallejo paints acrylic?
If they are, I would not advise putting a liquid mask on it other than Humbrols Maskol or similar. Stuff like Micro Mask stick to acrylics and NEVER come off.
Use the Blu Tak method, it'll give a better 'natural' looking edge IMHO
Bob This is a great crowd to build with mate, everyone is a wealth of knowledge, and we all get along pretty well.
Except Tom, we just let him in cause Wall Flowers make the place look untidy.
Darson Thanks for the Zero comment, as for the paint, I layed down some silver paint, then painted Humbrol Maskol onto it, then sprayed over with a lighter shade of the base colour.
Ripped up the Maskol, and wore the edges a bit more with my fingernail, scratching the paint off as required.
Next time I'll dab the Maskol on with a scourer, looks a bit better from what I hear.

Ok, off to apply the second colour for my splinter camo
Post pics soonish

QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900 QUOTE: Originally posted by bobbaily btw-thanks all for the encouraging words. This is a pretty fun group to hang around (and build) with Whew! Not making light of your situation Bob, but I thought you had the Hasegawa kit... about $41.00 US... that's the one I will be building... the thought of paying that much for problem fits had me ready to sell it to some unsuspecting person (sideways glance at Tweety) for 35.00 and cut my losses!

Tom-no light taken. I can rationalize the gaps better in a $17.- kit. At this stage, I'm still working on techinique, building up for the Accurate Min. SBD-2 waiting on the shelf after the He111 is done. I'm still debating on the best way to handle the canopy-the framing lines are not raised in the Monogram kit. Difficult to pick them out. I have an E-Z mask but I'm thinking about cutting some masking tape to lay on the frames, then use liquid mask over the whole thing, scribe and remove the tape. I wish outsourcing were an option....

btw-I'm in southwest West Virginia-right between Charleston & Huntington. Yes, it is a small world.

You turn your back for five days, and the Group goes berzerk!!! I am truly impressed with the comapny I am keeping - all the builds are truly impressive.

LHS still hasn't got my build in ... and my thumbs are wearing down from all the twiddling they are dooing

Tom, I have tried Frisket film in the past and as a masking material on models it blows (IMHO of course). The stuff will not conform over even the slightest bump even on a basically flat surface.

You could try my current favourite which is Blu Tack (I think it's Fun Tac in the US) formed into thin sausages and layed down in the pattern you want. Works a treat and you don't have any issues with lifting.

Joe, cool looking progress on the 111, please post more pics.

Tweety, that Zero is awesome, how did you do the chipped paint job it looks great

My Spitfire is coming along although I did nothing on the weekend as SHMBO has a bad tooth that needs root canal work and is in a lot of pain so I'm playing nursemaid and child minder.

Cheers
Darren

QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison Tom a word of warning............Don't mess with nurse Kremp.........She was on the East German Wrestling Team and can split a billiard ball with her thighs

ok you're lucky I didn't have a mouthful of coke when I read that... lol! I was a Respiratory Therapist in my past life (when I was in the Navy) and working in the hospital there was always someone we called "Nurse Kremp" behind her back... some big ol gal with a moustache thicker than we could grow, arms bigger around than our legs... Always had her hair permed real big and one of those 1950's Nurse caps on... stockings stretched so tight they were glossy... (oh yeah and bright red lipstick and the gaudy blue eyeshadow, for those from the states, think "Mimi" from Drew Carey Show) same attitude too!


Bob --- just noticed you are from WV.. what side of the state are ya on? Went through your state a lot back in my Navy days (Stationed in Washington D.C.).. dated several WV girls and married a girl from Erie, PA, so stopped many a time in West B'Gawd Va.
Ahhh the memories! I need to get back to your area of the country one of these days...

QUOTE: Originally posted by bobbaily btw-thanks all for the encouraging words. This is a pretty fun group to hang around (and build) with

Even my dear friend Jules... he smells a bit odd, but the guys got a heart of gold!

(Sorry Jules, been picking on Sean too much lately, t'was your turn! )

Whew! Not making light of your situation Bob, but I thought you had the Hasegawa kit... about $41.00 US... that's the one I will be building... the thought of paying that much for problem fits had me ready to sell it to some unsuspecting person (sideways glance at Tweety) for 35.00 and cut my losses!

Well here is tonights effort (which I already removed, was unsatisfied with the look)



re-thinking how I am going to mask this, maybe sheet frisket, and cut from the diagram itself, or even contemplating using liquid masking and paint it on then spray over it... any ideas?

It's the first RAF/FAA pattern I have done since about 1988 or so... (in my previous modeling life) Back then I remember I would use wide masking tape and looking at the pattern cut it with my xacto, then the strips would just lay in where they were supposed to.

Problem is the only wide masking tape I know of or have would probably pull this delicate looking Vallejo right off the body (even though it was primed)

Hmmm... maybe if I future it THEN lay the masking tape... well I think I will sleep on it all the same...

(As you can see I have even resulted in talking to myself online now... )

btw-thanks all for the encouraging words. This is a pretty fun group to hang around (and build) with. So much so that I've already started scoping out prospective North African theater planes.....

Looking good Bobhave fun masking the greenhouse

Tom a word of warning............Don't mess with nurse Kremp.........She was on the East German Wrestling Team and can split a billiard ball with her thighs

Tweety nice ZeroLove the weathering, i get to do an easy one for the Pearl Harbour GB it's all IJN grey and the zero's were fairly newish......
As Rick said it's the older Tamiya kit that i have and i'm going to have to add some c/pit detail, but i'm not complaining i only paid $20:00 for the kit.......

QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900 Bad gaps you say? That's bad news to hear, I had such high hopes for the one I am going to build either for this or just for fun... yours is the Hasegawa kit right? What I found most interesting about your pics isn't the build, which is looking good so far, but your stand! It's one of those "why didn't *I* think of that" type things... instant stand, readily conformable to whatever shape model you want to put in it! Might go to the store later and pick me up a set of them just to play with! Well, going to go back to the decals, the microsol whould be dry by now...

This He111 is a Monogram kit-nice recessed panel lines, bigger gaps on all the main sub-assemblies!

As far as the Legos, my son has a zillion of them which we have played with over the years. Once, when I needed a third hand, the light went on and the rest is history.

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1 Bob, nice 111!! And thats a novel way of using Lego!!

Novel, but very clever!

Bob, nice 111!!
And thats a novel way of using Lego!!

Watch that pink diet lemonade can, Bob! Don't spill it!

Progress looks great from here Bob.

Regards, Rick