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AIRCRAFT - Battle of Britain Group Build (Jan 1st 2005 - May 31st 2005)

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  • From: Edgware, London
Posted by osher on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:35 PM
About the Hurricane harness... try the Hannants website www.hannants.co.uk and look up the etched parts for the Hurricane. You can download the diagrams, which show how the parts look. I don't know if the Hurricane follows the same pattern as the Spitfire, but for early aircraft the 'Sutton' harness is needed. This is pale creamy yellow, with brass lined holes running all the way down it. Many built models I've seen have the later, more common, harness, including models of early aircraft, which is wrong. However, for a Mk.1 Spit (and I guess a Hurricane), the Sutton is right. (I have a part built BoB Tamiya Spit, and found that no one could tell me which Eduard belt I needed, hence having to research the subject). If you get really desperate, I have an Airwaves etched set for the Airfix Hurricane Mk.1 1/72, and I could scan it for you. (as an update: I meant to just order PE parts for my 110, but ended up ordering for the 109 too, plus a mask for German mottles, which I'd never heard of, but plan to use a lot of!)
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Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:00 PM
yeah Future has kind of a "flowery" smell for lack of a better word but real faint... hmmm could sell it for cologne next... I could become a Future mogul!

yeah with the right amount of future even dull paint will not absorb your washes, thery glide across and wipe off easy. Once dry they are fine though.... you don't need to coat it heavy, just a couple of light mist coats should do it. I always brush it on areas where large decals will go making it totally glossy... seems to help the decal sit down right without bunching or wrinkling.
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by darson on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:33 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

Hey Darren, whats the differance between Pledge and Future?????



Sean, the biggest practical differences that I found are;
The way Future takes a wash and by that I mean that say with my Spitfire when I Furtured the cockpit parts the other day and then applied a wash. The wash "whisks" along using a sort of capillary action, in other words it flows very nicely. You get a nice even flow of wash especially in panel lines which is something I found that One-Go does not do.

Future has much better self-levelling qualities than On-Go does once it is sprayed or bushed on to a models surface.

I have heard (this has never happened to me though) that One-Go can have an impact on some acrylic paint.

There is also the smell, One-Go is ammonia based which stinks, while Future has a pleasant sort of smell (to me anyway).

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by jboutin on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:32 PM
Whytwolf;
yes it is 1:48, I have always built in that scale and I like for the level of detail you can put on it and still see. Though with costs of things these days, I think I may have to try some 1:72, half the price of 1:48 is something to consider.

I am really disappointed that the canopy is all one piece, the kit has some good cockpit details to start with, a shame to cover it up! I am going to sctach me up a compass and gun site, the kit parts are kind of smallish and don't look right. About the canpy, has anyone tried to saw it in half so as to have an open canopy, I didn't really want to go AM for that part. Also, does anyone have pics of the seatbelt/harness for a hurricane? I want to make my own and haven't seen a good picture of one in my references or on the net.

thanks
JAY - fighting evil since 2:15pm, July 8,1976 -
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Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

Tom, as a trade for the Future, hows 'bout me and Jules get together and package up a nice small Red Roo for ya.
Think of it as a pony, you can take it for rides, and have it box Nurse Kremp.
And I dont have a thing for her, it's my eyesight letting me down!!


I dunno... can it wear a dress? I mean, I do like to go out dancing now and then... (It's gotta dance better than my wife! Wink [;)]) Hmmm might be worth an extra bottle just for the roo... although one of those big grey ones look almost big enough to ride! It'd be a lot cheaper ride to work and I am sure all the women would love my sporty new ride! And if someone tried to steal it... BOP!!! right in the eye!

If tomorrow goes like today it'll probably be the end of the week before I can post that to yall... whoever lives nearest a larger airport would probably be best to send it to as it will be air mail. Otherwise you'd have to wait for them to truck it out to ya then mail it back off to everyone...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by tweety1 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:36 PM
Jules CONGRATULATIONS on the big 1000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Party [party]Party [party]Party [party]Party [party]Party [party]Propeller [8-]Propeller [8-]Yeah!! [yeah]Yeah!! [yeah]

Nicely done mate, see, senseless drivvle can be rewarding huh!!Whistling [:-^]
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by tweety1 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:33 PM
Hey Darren, whats the differance between Pledge and Future?????

Well, I'm on the losing side of a battle with free time.
Trying to make headway on my model is proving difficult, but have managed to get the upper camo scheme done, now it's a final spray of 65 underneath, Pledge and some decals.
With luck I'll have that sorted by the end of this weekend.

Tom, as a trade for the Future, hows 'bout me and Jules get together and package up a nice small Red Roo for ya.
Think of it as a pony, you can take it for rides, and have it box Nurse Kremp.
And I dont have a thing for her, it's my eyesight letting me down!!
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:38 PM
Hey Jay, is that Hasegawa that you're building a 1/48? I think I may have been bitten by the Hurricane bug....

Sean
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Posted by jboutin on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:53 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by razordws

QUOTE: Originally posted by Aurora-7

Originally posted by KINGTHAD
For you guys down under it does get cold in Texas sometimes......

Thad


HA! You want cold, try New England now! High noon and 11 degrees F!


PBBBFTTTT!!!! Don't even start complaining about cold weather until you've spent a winter up here.


Sign - Ditto [#ditto]

Don't complain about cold until you come to Canada in the winter, remember last week I was complaining about -33C, thats -27 F to those south of the 49thDisapprove [V]. But today it has turned around to a balmy +8C (46F). Which makes for a real mess out on the roads!Calgary gets weird weather with all our Chinooks melting everything periodically (no, not the silly looking double chopper thingy) we get periods of lots of snow then no snow, then more snow then no snow ...

A little off topic, sorry.

My Hasegawa Hurricane is starting to look good (I started painting the cockpit pieces yesterday!) after 8+ years away it sure feels good.Big Smile [:D] It is a very nice kit with not much fitting problems. I can't remember who mentioned it but the ejector pin marks in the wheel wells will be nasty to fill in, probably the only major thing I'll have to worry about. Like I said, this is going to be an almost OOTB.

Yes gentlemen, (I hope that is the correct term) I agree with Whytwolf, this has been a fun and interesting group so far I'm glad I joined. Propeller [8-]

JAY - fighting evil since 2:15pm, July 8,1976 -
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Posted by razordws on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 1:17 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Aurora-7

QUOTE: Originally posted by KINGTHAD
For you guys down under it does get cold in Texas sometimes......

Thad


HA! You want cold, try New England now! High noon and 11 degrees F!


PBBBFTTTT!!!! Don't even start complaining about cold weather until you've spent a winter up here.

So how many people are now doing He 111's? Last time I looked it was just me but now it seems like there are 3 or 4 other people doing them. Hope to start on mine later this week.

Dave

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 1:15 PM
Got back to work on the 109 after a sidetrack to finish another build. Got the RLM 65 & 02 painted. Gonna let it cure befeore I mask & spray the RLM 71. Going full speed ahead slowly Smile [:)]. Hope all your builds are coming out great.

Regards, Rick
RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by KINGTHAD on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:33 PM
I may have to put on a coat when I walk out to the shop, I think it is going to get down to 40 this afternoon. I may even wear one of those big hats.

Thad
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Posted by Aurora-7 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:26 PM
Wow! 20 degrees for Texans must be tough! The tumbleweeds must be shattering when they bump into each other Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

As for modeling, my Hurrucanes radiator assembly in nice and shiny after being doused by a liquid glue spill. Will try to sand and rescribe tonight and again will try to post an as-of-now pic. Only one side of the fuselage has been glued at the wing root because the wife called me away for non-modeling duties Angry [:(!]Sad [:(]

 

 

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Posted by KINGTHAD on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:21 PM
I think it got to 20 degrees last nite, you need to move down here where it is hot.

Thad
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Posted by Aurora-7 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:16 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by KINGTHAD
For you guys down under it does get cold in Texas sometimes......

Thad


HA! You want cold, try New England now! High noon and 11 degrees F!

 

 

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Posted by KINGTHAD on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:12 PM
Hey everyone I got the fuse of my HE 111 stuck together last nite, but I had to stop because my heater was in a losing battle with the cold so I had to call it a nite and go back in the house. For you guys down under it does get cold in Texas sometimes. I'll post pics soon.

Thad
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Posted by bobbaily on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:15 AM
Hey all. After reviewing the canopy(s) last night (He111), I not in quite the state of panic I was prior. The upper canopy (directly over the pilot) has nice raised panel lines-eazy to mark off. The nose canopy is a little toughter-no raised lines. However, they are easier to see if the piece is held up to a light. I plan on taking some old address label scraps, cutting down to width and then laying that over the lines/frame. Then I will either use the E-Z mask (at least I hope its eazy) or liquid mask. Of course, work won't start until the weekend, so I've got time to review suggestions/input/offers to have someone else do the work...just kidding on the last one.

Bob

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:51 AM
Thanks for the info on the blue tac Darren. I've not used it before, and although it's working good on my paints now, knowing its limitations and fixes for them is mighty helpful. This is the number one reason I choose this group build as my first--you guys are talented, hilarious and above all, helpful.

Thanks again all for making this one hell of an enjoyable experience.

Sean

On Edit: Damn, I wish I could spell Tongue [:P]
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Posted by darson on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:50 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

OK seein as though we're on the blue tac topic i have to say that i have noticed a little bit of residue on the Hellcat when i pulled it off to make the sausage longerSad [:(]I stuck it over a coat of pledge that i had let dry for 24 hours so i don't know what happened.....
Do any of you learned gentlemen know of a nice gentle way of rubbing it off without damaging the underlying paintQuestion [?]

Tom thanks a Whole bunch for offering to send us Aussies some Future, And i don't care what Kremp says about you i think your a real champThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Darren i have A FAVOUR to ask, as you know my digital camera is a real piece of s- -t that can't take a decent closeup shot to save it's self so i was wondering if i sent you some good pics of the completed Stuka pit taken with my Pentax could you scan them into your system and send them to me via email or upload them so i can copy them into my computerQuestion [?]


Jules are you kidding, that's not a favor!!! It would be my pleasure to scan your photos for you. Consider it a little payback for the some of the favors you've done for other people on this forum, me included. If you've lost my address I'll send it again when you're ready.

OK, with the Blu Tack issue are you seeing a bit of Blu Tack left on the aircraft or is it some other oily residue stain thing? If its little bits of BT just get a big ball of the stuff in your fingers and tap at the residue until the bits come off. If it's the oily stain then Bosticks web site recommends
"On some surfaces BLU TACK may leave an oily mark but this can sometimes be removed by lighter fuel or dry cleaning fluid (White Spirits)"
and
"Remove as much as possible mechanically and then use mineral turps to remove residue"

If you have an acrylic coat like One-Go down it should protect the paint.

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:26 AM
Psssst... Jules, don't say anything bad about Kremp... I think Sean has a thing for her, if ya know what I mean! Wink [;)]

Well nothing new to report... just gotta go back to work today... bummer a 3 day weekend is always nice! Of course that makes THIS a 4 day week! Big Smile [:D]

Will update yall when I get something done tonight...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:08 AM
OK seein as though we're on the blue tac topic i have to say that i have noticed a little bit of residue on the Hellcat when i pulled it off to make the sausage longerSad [:(]I stuck it over a coat of pledge that i had let dry for 24 hours so i don't know what happened.....
Do any of you learned gentlemen know of a nice gentle way of rubbing it off without damaging the underlying paintQuestion [?]

Tom thanks a Whole bunch for offering to send us Aussies some Future, And i don't care what Kremp says about you i think your a real champThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Darren i have A FAVOUR to ask, as you know my digital camera is a real piece of s- -t that can't take a decent closeup shot to save it's self so i was wondering if i sent you some good pics of the completed Stuka pit taken with my Pentax could you scan them into your system and send them to me via email or upload them so i can copy them into my computerQuestion [?]
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Posted by darson on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:20 AM
whytwolf, I am fairly certain that the residue problem happened when a combo of Maskol and Blu Tack on Acrylic paint.

Darren
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 17, 2005 10:04 PM
LOL Tom. Can I sign up for an all inclusive vacation there in the near future? I think I fit the bill ::pulls out mental health certificate stamped 'insane':: I got this after spending $100 US on a Yak-141 resin kit from Hong Kong (including after market stuff for it too). After building it, I let my 18 month old daughter play with it--but not to worry, she's very gentle Big Smile [:D]

Sean -- Oh the pain! ::grasps temple a la Monty Python::

On Edit: I'm actually masking my camo with blue tac now, and finding no issues with residue. I am spraying with gloss paint though, so maybe that makes a difference....
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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, January 17, 2005 9:05 PM
I beg your pardon? ASYLUM???? We at Happy Acres like to call it a "Rest Home for the Mentally Weary" ... just mind your tongue, and you'll not be the wiser!

Hurrrrmmmppphh! If Old Billiard Ball Kremp heard this she's have her panties in a knot for sure!!!

Well forgot to tell yall... the old blue tak (white tak in this case) left a slight residue when I tried to mask with it... so making my mind up to do the masking tape thing but only burnish down the edge and try to not let it touch elsewhere... even if it pulls a bit of paint up I can hand paint it back... after future and dull coat no one will be the wiser!!! Will let you know the outcome!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 17, 2005 8:40 PM
Well, I had a good modeling weekend. Was able to rescribe all my panel lines and scratchbuild the exhausts and some of the other detail I sanded off with the raised panel lines and rivets Big Smile [:D]





Have now moved onto doing some pre-shading with a fine tipped Gundam Marker and then camo on the horizontle stabalizers (testing some techniques).

And speaking of testing techniques, instead of doing all the difficult masking of the fuselage codes by hand, I took a page from an issue of Millitary in Scale and picked up some Woodland Scenic Dry transfers to use as masks for the code letters. FYI, MG744 is the product number for the sheet I'm using. It's 45 degree USA Gothic Black--and the 3/8 size is a perfect match for my fuselage codes. I'm painting the section of the fuselage I'm masking vodoo grey (yes, it maynot be authentic to the BoB camo, but every model I paint has a touch of voodoo grey on it somewhere Mischief [:-,] ) and then putting the dry transfer over. Over the transfers I'll spray my camo green and brown, and then peel off the transfers, and voila--I should have my code letters. I'll show some pics as I proceed.

This weekend, I also orders my AM from GreatModels and await with bated breath their arrival so I can start on my cockpit (which strangely enough, save for some seam and touch-ups when I close this little beast up will be the last major bit of work).

So things are trucking along quite nicely. Needless to say, I've been quite enjoying the tales of the asylum over the last couple of days--not to mention the progress reports too. Thanks for the moral boost folks--makes a busy life seem less hectic in comparison! Tongue [:P]

Sean
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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, January 17, 2005 8:13 PM
Well typical Colombian food.. very Mediterranean in style... thing a cross between Spanish and Greek or even farther east style food.

Arroz con Pollo: braised seasoned chicken pieces in a bed of saffron rice, celery, carrots, peas and olives mixed throughout.

Bandeja Paisa (paisa is a term for people from the mountains of Colombia like my wife) a marinated steak with rice, a fried egg on TOP of the rice (it took me a bit to adjust to that sight, but once you stir the yolk in with the rice it is DELICIOUS!!! With a Colombian style bacon called chicharrones(instead of being in strips it is a deep cut of meat from the pigs back with stripes of meat in between the fat stripes, hard to describe) Fried Yucca ( a cactus from mexico and south, tastes a lot like a very light french fry) and seasoned beans..

Paella - same saffron rice base but with every type of seafood imaginable in it.. clams, lobster, shrimp, squid... etc... same olive, carrot. pea type mix in with it.. DELICIOUS again!

Anyway you get the picture... top this with some wonderful desserts (Tres Leches, a light white cake with condensed sweet milk, half and half and cream over it... with fresh whipped cream on top and strawberries or some type of fresh fruit adorning it) and their fruit juices, from fruits only found int he amazon and S. America and you leave a VERY full person!!! It's not spicy, just flavorful... a hint of the Middle Eastern/Greek type foods is recognizable...

Anyway a bit off topic.. back to the RLM colors... basically I look up a few either war time photos of even builds of kits, if I can get a bit of consensus then I go for that color... if it comes down to it I pull in the "there could have been some painted this way" rule and do it like I can... of course with RLM colors there was a stricter limit but US and UK colors had some variation....
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by osher on Monday, January 17, 2005 7:56 PM
Thanks Tom! Yep, I used that one, and the SMAKR one, and a few others! The problem of course is that sometimes opinion is divided, and, due to variations, all could be right! I remember seeing this picture of a US bomber (I forget which one) in 3 strong variations of olive drab.

Actually, I live a 5 minute drive from Hannants London branch, so normally most things are in stock, but in this instance, the PE kit I need is only at their other (main) branch, a 3 hour drive away. No nice restaurants, but there is a greasy spoon cafe next door, and the RAF museum and restaurant a 5 minute walk away.

What is typical Columbian food?
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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, January 17, 2005 7:46 PM
Osher... here's one of the charts touted to be one of the best... I'll let you make your mind up on its accuracy.

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_humbrolauthentic.htm

I understand your dillema, I hate waiting to get something and would rather order it any day! And usually (if not always) I always forget something I needed... luckily there's a hobby shop near with almost everything I could ask for... incuding PE for a lot of the more popular builds! It's a 1.5 hour drive there but worth every second! Plus there is a Colombian restaraunt across the street so my wife doesn't mind me going as long as I take her so she can eat!!! (She is from Colombia)
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by osher on Monday, January 17, 2005 7:31 PM
I personally use www.myonlineimages.com I find it better than photobucket, but then, where would the world be without choice?

OK, as an update: my bf-110C-4 finally has decals (yippee), but I'll only get the PE to finish the cockpit next Saturday. Which leaves me with the choice of either starting the bf-109e-4 or working on the bf-110 engine nancelles in the meantime. What modeller cannot resist starting a new kit though...

Spent the last 2 hours checking various references for Humbrol paints to RLM colours (as I am without enough supplies of Xtracolor until Saturday). OK, so H.65 is RLM 65, H.154 is RLM 04. After that things get hairy! Is RLM 71 H.30 or H.116 (most say 116, and some say 30 is RLM 83)? RLM 02 seems to be 92 (mostly). Then of course, different factories in Germany produced different variations, and in the field things changed too. I suppose, in short, if it approximates to a colour, then it probably is it. The colour schemes for the bf-109 and the bf-110 are 71/02/65
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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, January 17, 2005 7:17 PM
naww I don't mind. I figure 2 bottle divided between a few of you will get you on a couple of months until I can send some more...

I wouldn't call you a fool for ordering it... I would have done the same thing to see if it was better. It's that people HERE order it from them and it is in the cleaners section at the supermarket for about 200% less.

Will let you guys know when I get the Future and a box for it this week... I guess too, how many Aussies do we have here? Jules and Sean I know of because they talk too much... you... If it's not too expensive I can put one more bottle in. If it's just you three though I can send 2 bottles ever 4 or 5 months if it runs out that fast... shouldnt though!

there's 800ml in a bottle so 1600ml/3 = 533ml each... about 2/3 of a bottle each.. should last you all a decent time! I've had the same bottle for about 9 months now and it's still over 4/5 full! I keep a little in a spray jar with a lid for brushing, and the rest I pour to coat windshields and just pour it back in the bottle when done.
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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