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AIRCRAFT - Battle of Britain Group Build (Jan 1st 2005 - May 31st 2005)

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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:58 AM
Well good news and bad news.... The good news is I got that Faiery Fulmar in yesterday... ::clearing throat:: the bad news is I already threw it away....

I spent 5 hours sanding ONE wing just to even get it to fit together and it STILL wasn't fitting... then I realized on of the exhaust manifolds somehow didn't make it into the box...(actually it came in a baggie) I had high hopes for it.. for although it lacked any interior detail whatsoever it did have white metal landing gear, seats etc... and it was something I've never built or seen someone else build before... I might fish it out of the trash can and have another go at it today but I was just so upset that someone could market this... it wasn't cheap either... 14 dollars for about 12 parts and a sheet of decals...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by KJ200 on Saturday, October 23, 2004 9:30 AM
I've done somemore research and found out that the Hasegawa kit that I had intended to use is now discontinued! Hoever Hannants have some in, so I'll hopefully get to buy one before they sell out. failing that it's standard Mk1 with AM decals for the night fighter version.

I fully understand the 'too many kits, too little time' scenario. I would have had 4 on the go this month, but ended up junking one, just not happy with it, and laying one aside for another day. That has left me to work on two very different machines in different scales. I'm now making progress and enjoying myself.

I can't wait to see the other builds as they develop, especially the more obscure machines.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 23, 2004 8:45 AM
Sorry Julio i don't know where you can get them in 72nd scaleSigh [sigh]

Here's a pic of Molders 109 prior to the BoB, The aircraft received the oversea camo scheme of RLM70,71 and 65 before the battle but the markings are the same with the exception of the victory bars which had grown a little, the one photo i have also shows some fueselage mottling.......

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Posted by jcsloureiro on Friday, October 22, 2004 12:04 PM
Thanks Harrison,
My kit is 1:72, I´ll try to improve wiyh other kits decals or asking for help at the forum.Banged Head [banghead]
By the way, does anyone knows where to find the decal´s sheets of the 109E-4 to print?Question [?]Question [?]
That´s our problem, we try to complicate the easy things...Eight Ball [8]
But we love this way...
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 22, 2004 9:44 AM
tho9900 so easy to do eh, i know what you meanShock [:O]BTW hope you feel better soonThumbs Up [tup]

Julio The decals your chasing come with the Tamiya 1/48 messerschmitt BF 109 E-4/7 trop item NO:63, the kit can be made as an E-4/7 or an E-3..........

QUOTE: Why can't i be normal and like the EASY buildsEight Ball [8]

I dunno Tweets, i been asking myself the very same thingConfused [%-)]Confused [%-)]Confused [%-)]
You must just like to test your limitsThumbs Up [tup]

BTW I checked it out and 1 and 111 StG2 attacked the Isle of White, on the same day stukas from StG77 attacked Ford and Thorney islands, i think it was on the 16th AUG...
So my Stuka wasn't the one that attacked your Fulmar TomSad [:(]
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Posted by tweety1 on Friday, October 22, 2004 8:42 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

Tweety yeah mate 1st, 2nd and 3rd JG54 took part in the battle as a part of Luftflotte2.

I can't imagine that they would have changed schemes in that time, the book i have tells me the last sorties made by the Germans was on the 31st Oct.....


Thats music to my ears Jules, thanks!!!Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

My research has given me a few 'quirks', for instance, the a/c I plan to do is from II/JG54, but was manufactured as a 109E-1, and apparently upgraded later to an E-3, during the BoB time line.
There are no noticeable diffferances between the 2 that I can make out, aside from a spinner cap, so, yeahConfused [%-)]Confused [%-)]

And there appears to be no designated pilot for the craft either.

Oooooooooooooohhhhhh, this is one of those phantom planes, I heard about them!
All evasive and stuffTongue [:P]Tongue [:P]

Why can't I be normal and like the EASY buildsEight Ball [8]
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:40 PM
I think that was my problem... I got here and saw all these cool GB's, all of them on kits I LOVE... well I start to building and building and BAM!!! one day I wake up and I have 5 unfinished kits on the couch in my modelling room... I ended up throwing one out and it discgusted me... (raised panel lines, etc... no detail, wrong scale detail etc... I'm not one of those accuracy buffs... but it didn't even look good.... I may redo the same kit in a different paint scheme without the PE and such... )

Anyway I have been under the weather the past few days and haven't built a single thing... thought about it... didn't do it. I think I needed it to get back into focus that this is supposed to be FUN!!!! So I am ditching a few builds for awhile... being my Fulmar hasn't even come in yet is nice too... it means I won't be tempted to open the box and start building before I know what hit me.,..
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by darson on Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:57 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

Ahhhh, I tried the 'multiple builds at once' thing, and it really got me down, and nowhere at all.

Maybe some people can have 4 or more kits on the go at one time, but I prefer not to have that much clutter in my mind at once, I have trouble remembering my PIN number let alone anything else.


I know what you mean, the absolute most I can have on the go is two and that is one main project and one that I can work on while I am waiting for something to dry, cure, set, etc.

There are a lot of GB's and personal builds that I want to do, but I'm trying to be realistic about what I can start (and then finish).

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by jcsloureiro on Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:48 PM
Thanks Darson,
I solve the URL´s problem. Now it´s working well.
Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:54 AM
Tweety yeah mate 1st, 2nd and 3rd JG54 took part in the battle as a part of Luftflotte2.

I can't imagine that they would have changed schemes in that time, the book i have tells me the last sorties made by the Germans was on the 31st Oct.....
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:44 AM
just gonna have a look at my book, can't recall but i think JG 54 took part.....
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Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:41 AM
Well, I have found a couple of 109 scheme's, but am having some trouble in researching whether or not they took part in the BoB.
The main group I'm looking at is JG54, now there are a few machines that played a part, but their dates are on the border line of October-November.

Hmmm, looking a tad difficult.
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:31 AM
Yeah iv'e done the same thing Tom, i have another 4 to finish before Xmas....
looking forward to a quieter year next year i'm only planning on building my CAC Sabre and a couple for this GB in the first 6 months of 2005......

Darson i've decided to do a 109 aswell as the Stuka, this one will have the markings of Werner Molders machine.......more on this when it's not 1:28 am

Oh Yeah tweety your right about the camo thing not all 109's carried that scheme, it's just a matter of finding the one you want to doThumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:24 AM
Ahhhh, I tried the 'multiple builds at once' thing, and it really got me down, and nowhere at all.

Maybe some people can have 4 or more kits on the go at one time, but I prefer not to have that much clutter in my mind at once, I have trouble remembering my PIN number let alone anything else.
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:38 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lucien Harpress

Just a little info on the Hurricane I might build-
As I said, this kit was stared a while ago. The only thing painted on it is the interior (all brushwork. It's not very pretty. I may shut the canopy, it's that bad!) Many of the major components- wings, fuselage, tailplanes- are already glued. I forsee this GB will just be me trying my hand at some RAF camo (first time!) and adding the final bits and pieces like landing gear, antennaes, etc. Call it, if you will, an "experiment in finishing!" Big Smile [:D]

Wish me luck!


Lucien,

Believe me no one will thing anything of your work than fabulous!!! I know people tend to be generous with their views on builds here, but I even get "great cockpit I wish I could do as well" from people I wish I could paint camo like etc...

Just post it and we'll like it!

On a different note... today I came home (I was sick so left work early) and almost decided to can everything I was in process of building... I got into to many builds at once and I feel smothered... thinking of starting over and doing a new build for each GB (not going to get into so many at once again!!!) except for this one as I haven't even got the plane yet... it shipped today from what I can tell, so maybe Monday I will get it....

It got to me that I had an OS2U, F4U, Av-8B and a HH-65 helicopter going on at the same time.. and really was getting nowhere with any of them.... think I am going to ditch all but the F4U for now and concentrate on one (or two) builds at once...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by darson on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:50 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Aurora-7

I'm in. I submit my Airfix 1/48 Hawker Hurricane.




Welcome to our little group Mike, I hope you have a good time and I'm looking forward to seeing your Hurricane.

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by darson on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:35 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jcsloureiro

Yeah Harrison,
Unfortunantely the RAF´pilot dies in that combat too.
I tought your photo was a real plane!
By the way I´m looking for the decals of my subject.Alien [alien]
Nice job.
Cheers
Julio


Julio, I think you have a bit of a permission’s problem with your icons.

I copied the URL into a browser and got the message "You do not have permission to get the requested URL from this server." . Which means that FSM does not have access and therefore cannot display them.

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by Aurora-7 on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:57 PM
I'm in. I submit my Airfix 1/48 Hawker Hurricane.

 

 

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Posted by jcsloureiro on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 9:00 AM
Yeah Harrison,
Unfortunantely the RAF´pilot dies in that combat too.
I tought your photo was a real plane!
By the way I´m looking for the decals of my subject.Alien [alien]
Nice job.
Cheers
Julio
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Posted by darson on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:58 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1
Ok, so would I be safe in assuming not ALL the 109E's got this camo scheme sloshed onto them???
Reason I ask, I plan to finish my E in a 'How the Censored [censored] did he do that!' scheme, obviously from the BoB era, and I would be kinda bummed if it didn't happen.Sad [:(]

Research time!!!!!


OK the scanner has been warmed up and here is an image of the Aeromaster BoB Eagle Day sheet that I plan to use as a bit of muck around build



The camo on the 109's is sort of the same but I believe that the mottling on the fuselage sides came in as the battle progressed. I'm sure one of the 109 experts could tell you exactly though.

I'm looking at doing either aircraft one or four. Aircraft one has a lot of personalized artwork including a pair of red lips smoking a cigarette under the cowling. Aircraft four I just like because I've always loved that line from the BoB movie "Yellow nosed bast***s coming down, now" and to me this plane is it.

On and Jules that Bf 109 is fantastic, a really beautiful job, no kidding.

Julio, I have read somewhere that the best way to apply the sort of camo that Wick had is to use a piece of sea sponge dipped in some paint and then dabbed on to the aircraft. I would have a practice on something else before committing this to the real model though.

QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900
Darson: I figure if nothing else I will win an honorable mention for the ugliest plane of the group build
Also, I might check out those masks, reusable you say? might be worth it for the money


Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D] No doubt about that.
Those masks are supposed to be reusable and I don't see any reason they wouldn't be, when they loose their stickiness I will just use a bit of Blu (Fun) Tac.

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by tweety1 on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 6:45 AM
tho9900, that is an awesome idea mate!Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

But, the logistics on such a project would be mind boggling.

I'd love to play a part in such an idea, but like you said, it's ways off, wait and see.
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by tweety1 on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 6:35 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

Tweety Tweety Tweety you of all people should know not to mention Cats around meShock [:O]Tongue [:P]Mischief [:-,]i'll just pretend i didn't hear thatHeadphones [{(-_-)}]Headphones [{(-_-)}]Headphones [{(-_-)}]Headphones [{(-_-)}]
Lucky iv'e just taken my MEDS mate or it'll be Kitty Pic time.....................................Wink [;)]


Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]
I knew that would get a bite!!!!!Evil [}:)][:0]Tongue [:P]


Tweets this is the Oversea camo scheme, sorry about the pic quality but i just can't seem to get a good pic of this model, it's from 3rd JG 26 based at Caffiers France summer 1940,and it was the first model i made since rejoining the hobby.....




Ok, so would I be safe in assuming not ALL the 109E's got this camo scheme sloshed onto them???
Reason I ask, I plan to finish my E in a 'How the Censored [censored] did he do that!' scheme, obviously from the BoB era, and I would be kinda bummed if it didn't happen.Sad [:(]

Research time!!!!!
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 6:24 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison


Darson now youv'e made me curious, gonna have to do some reading but i think it was StG 77 which attacked the FAA airfeild but i'm not sure which staffel it was....

Tom i just watched the BoB special features disc last night and they mentioned the Stuka problem, problem being there was no stukas left at the time of filming...
All the JU87's in the movie are R/C aircraft.....


Actually in ref to his Stuka bombing my Fulmar.. this is a recent idea I hit on for a group build, thinking about just that.. a dio of his stuka bombing my fulmar...

... it would have to have like a 6 month to a one year deadline. an international group build! Each person does one step of the instructions and then mails the kit to the next guy who does the next step etc... It'd be interesting to see... or course it would limit us to smaller kits with the cost of shipping and all... but if it only cost me 11 dollars US to ship an airbrush complete with bottles etc to Singapore it should be less for a single kit... a price I would be willing to pay! either that one person builds one part of a dio, the other the other part etc.. then everything goes to the last person who finds a way to put it all into the dio...

I just think it would be fun to see what it looked like at the end... if it even makes it through the postal system alive! I guess if a piece got broken or something we would have to improvise and scratch build, or go AM for it... each person would build, take pics then send it to the next... or as I mentioned in the post, two kits passed around the world could finally make it to a good dio person who could build it into a dio!

This would be a ways off before I could start something like this as we all have so many GB's going at present but you guys mull it around and see what you think!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 6:14 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

Tweets this is the Oversea camo scheme, sorry about the pic quality but i just can't seem to get a good pic of this model, it's from 3rd JG 26 based at Caffiers France summer 1940,and it was the first model i made since rejoining the hobby.....



Shock [:O] your first since returning to the Hobby? Disapprove [V] hmmm... actually... ummmm... well they called and said my kit got lost... yeah, that's it... can't build my plane... sorry guys!

haha kidding... that is AWESOME!!! great looking plane! I'm doing pretty good but you're a natural!!! Don't worry, as my buddies used to tell me when went clubbing... I have no shame and will post whatever I have here!

that's a real looker Jules!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:13 AM
Tweety Tweety Tweety you of all people should know not to mention Cats around meShock [:O]Tongue [:P]Mischief [:-,]i'll just pretend i didn't hear thatHeadphones [{(-_-)}]Headphones [{(-_-)}]Headphones [{(-_-)}]Headphones [{(-_-)}]
Lucky iv'e just taken my MEDS mate or it'll be Kitty Pic time.....................................Wink [;)]

Tweets this is the Oversea camo scheme, sorry about the pic quality but i just can't seem to get a good pic of this model, it's from 3rd JG 26 based at Caffiers France summer 1940,and it was the first model i made since rejoining the hobby.....


Darson now youv'e made me curious, gonna have to do some reading but i think it was StG 77 which attacked the FAA airfeild but i'm not sure which staffel it was....

Tom i just watched the BoB special features disc last night and they mentioned the Stuka problem, problem being there was no stukas left at the time of filming...
All the JU87's in the movie are R/C aircraft.....

Julio Good subject choice buddy Helmut Wick was the highest scoring Luftwaffe pilot of the BoB..Ironicly he fell to the Guns of Seargent Ginger Lacey one of the Raf's highest scoring pilots of the battle.........

BTW there are no DO 17's or JU 88's in the movie either.........
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Posted by jcsloureiro on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:05 AM
Hello guys!
Thanks for the welcome! I´m glad to be here.
Sorry Tweety1, I like cats, I had a siamese a few years ago...
I´m thinking to paint the 109E-4 as the 5344, of the Major Helmut Wick, Kommodore JG2, nov 1940. I found a draw of it at a web site and I thing it was interesting.
There are draws, the history and photos of Wick´s 109 in the link: http://www.luftwaffe39-45.historia.nom.br/ases/wick.htm
Thanks again!
Read you soon.
Julio
Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Cruzr on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:04 AM
Originally posted by darson

Cruzr, I am making the assumption you meant the Bf 110 not 100.

ya i did Smile [:)]
it was a long Monday
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Posted by tweety1 on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:43 AM
Ok Jules, you got me.
What camo scheme did the 109's get?????

Julio, Sign - Welcome [#welcome], your with a good crowd here mate.
You don't happen to like cats do you?Tongue [:P]Wink [;)]

The decal set I have coming from the US didn't mention anything about alternate camo schemes, but haven't done a bucket of research on this yet.
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:31 AM
yeah I was on the BOB website last night and looked through the day to day diary of the war... the highest losses, especially mid way through the battle were Me109's and Me110's. Sometimes as many as 15 or more of each per day...

Darson: I figure if nothing else I will win an honorable mention for the ugliest plane of the group build Clown [:o)]
Also, I might check out those masks, reusable you say? might be worth it for the moeny...

Jules: I seem to remember seeing some good resources on the subject.. it's a shame they don't show a little more of the Ju87 in the movie BoB. Just for a little reference. I'll post it when I can remember where they are.
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by darson on Monday, October 18, 2004 11:45 PM
Cruzr, I am making the assumption you meant the Bf 110 not 100.

jcsloureiro, Sign - Welcome [#welcome] to the group build. Nice to see some Brazilian modelers on the forum.

Tweety, Don’t forget with your weathering that these aircraft were turned over at a pretty rapid pace. All the photos that I have seen show them dirty and grungy, but the paint is not that faded because they are still reasonably new.

tho9900, MMMMMMMM, Fairy Fulmar Tongue [:P]

J.S, I wonder if your Stuka managed to destroy tho9900's Fulmar???
Also, the Cutting Edge masks are available for the A & B scheme for Spitfire Mk.I & Mk.V. They are basically reusable versions of the canopy masks you can buy. As I build the odd Spitfire or two I figured I could save myself some time in applying camo in the future.

Cheers
Darren


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