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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Friday, October 29, 2004 5:11 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

Darson Tweety's got it right it all depends on the A/C, most of the camo was field applied so there's a huge variation in camo schemes........

Mate you had better add the Do17 to the list, i'm remaining optimistic about the 109 hopefully i can get it done but you should take it off just in case.......Jules......

BTW whats all this modellers burnout stuff, i just tell myself GET OFF YOUR
AND DO SOMETHING, seems to work....................most of the time..............not all the time

phew, thanks mate I needed that.

I got back to the bench and made some progress on my pre-GB 109 last night. This is a 1/48 Tamiya 109 E3 OOB (except for Ultracast seat and Areomaster decals). I will post progress here as I go.

Cheers
Darren

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Friday, October 29, 2004 9:38 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

Darson Tweety's got it right it all depends on the A/C, most of the camo was field applied so there's a huge variation in camo schemes........

Mate you had better add the Do17 to the list, i'm remaining optimistic about the 109 hopefully i can get it done but you should take it off just in case.......Jules......

BTW whats all this modellers burnout stuff, i just tell myself GET OFF YOUR
AND DO SOMETHING, seems to work....................most of the time..............not all the time

Love to get off my Censored [censored]

, but I have to squeeze it inbetween my 13 hour days at work.
Oh to win lotto, maybe tommorrow Big Smile [:D]

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 29, 2004 8:42 AM

Darson Tweety's got it right it all depends on the A/C, most of the camo was field applied so there's a huge variation in camo schemes........

Mate you had better add the Do17 to the list, i'm remaining optimistic about the 109 hopefully i can get it done but you should take it off just in case.......Jules......

BTW whats all this modellers burnout stuff, i just tell myself GET OFF YOUR Censored [censored]

AND DO SOMETHING, seems to work....................most of the time..............not all the time

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Friday, October 29, 2004 1:22 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

it's a bit crude, but it kind of gives you an idea.. here's the three basic schemes I've seen for that period craft (with some variation) but it gives you the idea... the one with no camo and the sharp demarcation line is the most prevelant, the one above it second (in my experience) for BoB camo for the Bf109. but it shows the demarcation (or lack of in the top instance) for each

Thanks Tho & Tweets.

BTW, that pic wouldn't happen to be from one of my all time favourite PC games Secret Weapons Of The Luftwaffe would it? Cool [8D]

Cheers
Darren

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nmayhew

Member since
July 2003
From: Kent, England

Posted by nmayhew on Friday, October 29, 2004 12:54 AM

it's available here, but the price will shock you guys stateside[:0] Black Eye [B)]

....welcome to my world.... Disapprove [V]

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=CF471

regards,

Nick

Kind regards, Nicholas

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, October 28, 2004 7:16 PM

went to Classic Airframes and they still have the Defiant listed as "Future", same with great models... Squadron didn't even list it at all...

I will get it when it comes out tho.. might call the guys at the new LHS I am frequenting see if know anything about it.. they have a LARGE selection of Classic Airframes there...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, October 28, 2004 7:11 PM

it's a bit crude, but it kind of gives you an idea.. here's the three basic schemes I've seen for that period craft (with some variation) but it gives you the idea... the one with no camo and the sharp demarcation line is the most prevelant, the one above it second (in my experience) for BoB camo for the Bf109. but it shows the demarcation (or lack of in the top instance) for each

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 28, 2004 4:41 PM

I take it that the Fw190A wasn't in squadron service at that time, eh? Oh well, put me in for a Ju87B, Hurricane Mk.II, Spitfire Mk.I and a Messerschmitt Bf109E3.

All in 1/144 scale of course!! ;)

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:42 AM

Depends on which a/c, era, JG etc.

Most of the a/c pics I have seen show the demarcation line starting to 'creep' up onto the fuselage, and a semi soft/hard edge.
Found a few pics showing a squeaky clean edge, and some showing a mongrel overspray edge.

Depending on the scale, lke 1/48 that I do, I make my edges a little soft but mostly hard, using some Mask It, and spraying at an angle to suit.

On larger scales, I'd go a hard edge, lapping up onto the wing root/fuselage, then apply a little blending.

My 2 cents [2c]

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Thursday, October 28, 2004 6:32 AM

Ok, I've got a question for all you Bf 109 experts. Is the fuselage camouflage demarcation line (between the RLM 02/71 camo and the RLM 65 fuselage side) a hard edge or a soft edge on E model 109's?

Thanks
Darren

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, October 28, 2004 6:07 AM

Tweety, I love doing the cockpits... it's everything else that gets in the way haha

Darren, yeah I think a combo of work and how many builds I've been trying to get done etc has just got me wanting to take a break, so I am... I'll give it a coupla days and I think I will be longing for the old bench again..

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:03 AM

Yeah, kinda got the same here.
But it's not total burnout.
Suffering a bit of 'cockpit block'.

Once the 109 c/p is done, the rest will be childs play.
But getting the c/p the way I want it is getting to me.

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:34 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

I've been contemplating it Jules.. but if you wanna take it over be welcome! I have too much on the table as it is... plus I am in a kind of "modellers" block right now so not building too fast.. think I have too much on the table at once...

Tell me about it Tho, I am suffering from modeling burnout at the moment. I am trying to make a start on my next project and just cannot get the energy up at the moment to do anything. If the kids let me and I can drag my backside into the model room tonight I might make a start on my pre-BoB GB OOB Bf 109.

Here's hoping
Darren

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:54 PM

I've been contemplating it Jules.. but if you wanna take it over be welcome! I have too much on the table as it is... plus I am in a kind of "modellers" block right now so not building too fast.. think I have too much on the table at once...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:53 AM

OK so is anyone planning on doing the Do17 Question [?]

As far as i can tell it's not on anybody's hit list, it would be a shame if it's not covered here in this GB, i would like to see all the main combat aircraft covered very much Thumbs Up [tup]

If nobody's gonna do it by Feb i'll take it on Wink [;)]

but i'll have to ditch the 109 Sad [:(]

until a later date.......Jules.....

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:03 PM

Rick

The Hase Bf109E is a sweet kit, good purchase!

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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rjkplasticmod

Member since
February 2003
From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State

Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:27 PM

Went to the LHS today looking for appropriate kits for this GB. Picked up the Hasegawa 1/48 Bf-109E-1 & 1/48 Hurricane MkI kits. I'll do the Bf-109E-1 for sure & the Hurricane also, depending on my schedule come February. Markings are TBD, as I have to see what decals I have in my stash or can pick up between now & the start date.

Regards, Rick

RICK

At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:45 AM

It depends on how critical we will be on accuracy.
The BoB Ju was the A-1 version, and from my research tonight the tail rudder was different, the wing span was shorter by 2 metres, and the overall wing area differs by 3 sqft.

I can't beleive I'm looking this far into it Shock [:O]

Gotta get a life!

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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KJ200

Member since
July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:36 AM

Thio & Tweety, if you're a real gluttons for punishment, there is always the Revell offering in 1/72. You'll need to rescribe all the panel lines though! Having said that it does come with lift off engine covers and engines. Good for a Dio with some Airfix Luftwaffe groundcrew! Almost feel like doing that myself.

Nick, that Defiant looks like an interesting build.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:17 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

Ok, I tell a lie.
5 minutes research revelaed the diff between the BoB Ju, and the c-6 version.

For starters, the nose isn't solid, it's glass, and no antenna array.

Might just stick with the 2 I've selected, but that would be woosing out.
Hey, it's a Sabre thing!

actually Tweety, the Monogram Pro modeller Ju-88 C-6 Nightfighter kit comes with everything to build several versions of the Ju88, including the glass nosed one.. it has the 4 cannon nose mount, a solod metal nose mount and the clear parts... also different moldings on the plastic parts too... you would have to probably research to see which go to which but they are there... I might do another Monogram instead of looking around.. it's a nice fitting kit with a fair amount of detail...

I think I saw that Defiant down at my LHS... I might do it.. can't hurt! I'll let ya know!

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:04 AM

Ok, I tell a lie.
5 minutes research revelaed the diff between the BoB Ju, and the c-6 version.

For starters, the nose isn't solid, it's glass, and no antenna array.

Might just stick with the 2 I've selected, but that would be woosing out.
Hey, it's a Sabre thing!

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:57 AM

Tho, I had the Ju88 on the short list of things to buy, it's a Dragon 1/48 Ju88C-6, and with some research, and a little revesre engineering, won't be too difficult to back date it to the BoB time frame.
Only 6 months diff between the 2.

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Monday, October 25, 2004 9:52 PM

Whoops tho9900 I almost forgot, it's not too late to change your mind (back) to the Boulton Paul Defiant if you want too. Here is the link to Hannants
http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=CF471 they have both the day and night fighter versions available, which means that a release to Greatmodels cannot be far away.

Cheers
Darren

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Monday, October 25, 2004 9:45 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by nmayhew

hi guys,

can i join please?

i'd like to do a day fighter Defiant, just re-released by Classic Airframes and available in UK..

regards,

Nicholas

Hi Nicholas, welcome aboard our little group build. I have already added your name to the participant’s list on the first page.

Even though we haven't started building yet, there is still a lot of discussion happening on all things BoB.

Cheers
Darren

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nmayhew

Member since
July 2003
From: Kent, England

Posted by nmayhew on Monday, October 25, 2004 12:21 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

ok tentatively this is my build: Boulton Paul defiant of 151 Sq. Night Fighters... hope to find an individual AC to model but might just use the example pic below:

hi guys,

can i join please?

i'd like to do a day fighter Defiant, just re-released by Classic Airframes and available in UK..

regards,

Nicholas

Kind regards, Nicholas

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 24, 2004 10:20 PM

Yeah Yeah Yeah great choice Tom JU 88 Thumbs Up [tup]

now all we need is for someone to do a DO17 and all the main combat types are covered........Jules.........

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:08 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

Don't get downhearted just yet Tho, there is ALOT of time between now and the finish date.

I have a 1/48 Airfix Catalina I've been 'working' on for around 5 years now.
And yes, the fit IS that atrocious, but hey, no rush.

yeah strangely enough I kept the kit and maybe that was the thought... something to work on in a rainy day.... this just isn't atrocious... the right wing upper and lower halves were at least 1/2 inch different on the trailing edge, so I had to start sanding at the joint where the wings and flaps join and still have at least 1/4 inch and 4 or 5 hours into it... I might even scratch build the other exhaust... if only because this is an odd kit...

Announcing my new build, not real different, but no one else is doing it... the Ju-88 is I can find a kit period accurate...

Also a Spitfire MkI or MkII done in 71 Sq, ... Eagle Squadron decals if I can get them.. Working in VA and military hospitals I got to meet 2 members of the eagle squadron... one of them I wish I could remember his name... William (Bill) was his first name... anyway I digress... he was the first Lt. Gen who asked me to call him by his first name and I was 18 and an E-1.... so thats it.. a kit I can find and is fun to build... probably 1/48 as I like the scale...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:11 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200

Tho, sorry to hear about the Fulmar, it was one the builds I was intending looking out for!

Hope your search for an alternative goes well.

Karl

I'll photo the unbuilt kit and add some reference like the wing that is WAY out of shape for its lower half to fit right etc... just so you can see if you wanna tackle the job.. There is a 1/48 coming out, actually 2 if I am not mistaken... one is the Warrior resin kit, the other I cannot remember for the life of me who it was.. great models had it listed as "Future" on their site but I searched for it today and it was gone.. so don't know if they canned the kit or not.

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Sunday, October 24, 2004 9:08 AM

Don't get downhearted just yet Tho, there is ALOT of time between now and the finish date.

I have a 1/48 Airfix Catalina I've been 'working' on for around 5 years now.
And yes, the fit IS that atrocious, but hey, no rush.

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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KJ200

Member since
July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:03 AM

Tho, sorry to hear about the Fulmar, it was one the builds I was intending looking out for!

Hope your search for an alternative goes well.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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