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                        Battle of Midway Aircraft Group Build

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                        darson
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Melbourne, Australia
                        Posted by darson on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:04 AM
                        Tom, truth be told I've already got the Ultracast seat Wink [;)], it arrived a while ago from GM. Tell me (and I think I've asked this before) was your Martlet the Hase offering or the one from Tamiya?

                        Bob, great idea with the CO2 cylinder, just remember you need some way to fill it. On the spray booth, I don't have one myself I've never found the need. For ventilation I make sure the window is open when I spray and overspray is not an issue as the trusty ab operates at far less pressure than a rattle can which eliminates any issues. All I do is lay a piece of newspaper over my cutting mat and spray away.

                        Cheers
                        Darren
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                        tho9900
                        • Member since
                          July 2004
                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:50 AM
                        Darren - I got the Tamiya kit... if yours is the Hase kit would love to hear how it builds up for comparison...
                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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                        bobbaily
                        • Member since
                          November 2003
                        • From: Nashville, TN area
                        Posted by bobbaily on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:52 AM
                        Darren & Tom-thanks for the advise. I have the wheels turning-Father's day is coming up soon....unless my wife wants an air brush for Mother's Day....nah!

                        Bob

                         

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                        bobbaily
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                          November 2003
                        • From: Nashville, TN area
                        Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:40 AM
                        I'm going to toss this question out to the group 'cause I've seen your work and value your advise-Air brush-do I want gravity feed or siphon feed? I'm looking for something in the $60-$80 range, so any suggestions? What are the thoughts on Testors brand? LHS happens to have a couple of those in stock.

                        thanks

                        Bob

                         

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                        pmm736
                        • Member since
                          April 2004
                        Posted by pmm736 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 8:17 AM
                        The advantage to a gravity feed is that a lower air pressure is required to move air through the brush. The lower pressure, combined with thinner paint, allows you to paint finer lines, which will expand the types of camo patterns you can replicate. The disadvantage is the smaller amount of paint the color cup on the gravity feed brush can hold as compared to the jar on a siphon feed. If using the gravity feed brush just to put on a camo color, this probably won't become a problem, but if it's your only brush and you are also painting large areas with it, refilling it several times to paint one model might become an annoyance to you. It comes down to what you are using it for and weighing one advantage against another. Another solution might be the Badger 360 Universal. This brush functions as both gravity and siphon feed. It is the brush I have and I love it for its ease of use and cleaning. They usually go for a bit more than the $60- $80 that your looking to spend, but IMHO its worth it, especially if you're only going to have one brush.
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                        bobbaily
                        • Member since
                          November 2003
                        • From: Nashville, TN area
                        Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, April 7, 2005 8:45 AM
                        Thanks Pete-I appriciate the info. Now to Squadron for pricing..

                        Bob

                         

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                        Jeeves
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                          February 2003
                        • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
                        Posted by Jeeves on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:34 PM
                        Bob--

                        Try Dixie Art as they seem to have the best prices on brushes...definitely cheaper than Squadron's. I have the 360 and love it-- but it does not make a great gravity feed brush only because the cup is quite small....if you go with the gravity route-- might I suggest the Badger 100LG... cheaper and with a good sized cup!
                        Mike
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                        pmm736
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                          April 2004
                        Posted by pmm736 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 4:27 PM
                        Mike, You're right, I neglected to mention that the color cup on the 360 is smaller than the standard gravity feed brush. I think it's only because I've gotten used to it and I really don't notice it. That and it's the first I've owned and don't have anything to compare it to. I have found, however that I've taken to using the brush in the gravity mode more and more since refilling it a couple of times while painting seems to be less of a hassle than cleaning out the siphon jar every time I've finished painting or change colors. Just my preferrence, I guess.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 8:23 PM
                        I use the Badger 175 crescendo which cost me $400:00 AU, It's a siphon feed but it can spray a pretty fine line.....
                        Tom Has 2 A/B's And i know one of them is the 175 but i'm not sure whether he or Kremps uses itThumbs Up [tup]

                        BTW I'm still in the process of C/Pit construction, the interior of this Accurrate Minatures avenger is a model unto it'self................
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                        tho9900
                        • Member since
                          July 2004
                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 8:27 PM
                        Jules - just like the Dauntless... it is the biggest part of contructions...

                        I have a 155 (sister brush to the 360, doesnt do gravity feed but optherise the same) and LOOOOOVE it!!!!!!

                        The 175 is Kremps' brush as Jules let on... I use it for bigger overage and for all over painitng with Vallejo Acrylics (for some reason I get a better coverage with that paint with the 175)

                        I imagine the 360 would be just that much better.. any fine detail I would want to do would be small areas anyway...
                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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                        Jeeves
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                          February 2003
                        • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
                        Posted by Jeeves on Thursday, April 7, 2005 8:29 PM
                        Pete---

                        I hear you-- I love my 360 and use it most of all. The 100 is perfect for doing enamels and NMF using Alclad though so that's when I break it out. It also does the lines a bit finer than the 360...although I imagine if I practiced, I could get along with the 360.

                        Jules-- Looking forward to seeing pics of your interior-- I can't wait to get some of these GB's out of the way so I can try my hand at an Avenger kit!
                        Mike
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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 4:39 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Jeeves

                        Pete---

                        Jules-- Looking forward to seeing pics of your interior-- I can't wait to get some of these GB's out of the way so I can try my hand at an Avenger kit!


                        Jeeves It might take me a few weeks to get the interior all done due to other builds but i'll make sure i take plenty of pics of this puppy when doneSmile [:)]
                        BTW If your going to do an Avenger I fully recommend the A M kitThumbs Up [tup] it's a great kit with fantastic detailTongue [:P]
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                        bobbaily
                        • Member since
                          November 2003
                        • From: Nashville, TN area
                        Posted by bobbaily on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:00 AM
                        Once again, thanks for all the input on the airbrush selection. Definatly some options.

                        Thanks again.

                        Bob

                         

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                        tho9900
                        • Member since
                          July 2004
                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:54 PM
                        Mike --- why is the 100 your brush for Alclad? just curious... I am about to embark on my first Alclad experience with a P-47 for the LAtin American AF GB... was wondering if my 175 or the 155 would be better... would like to hear your ideas on the 100... actually I am wanting to purchase an Iwata HP-CS so may wait on that to come to do it... have seen several people do spectacular effects with that brush and Alclad...
                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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                        Jeeves
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
                        Posted by Jeeves on Friday, April 8, 2005 11:02 PM
                        Sounds good Jules...I actually have three of the AM kits on the pile Smile [:)]

                        Tom-- I only say that as opposed to using the 360 for one reason-- easier cleanup....I can fill the cup of the 100 up and easily finish spraying without having to stop. If I use the 360, I either am constantly pouring more Alclad into the tiny cup OR I have to clean not only the brush, but also the jar and siphon tube if I go with the siphon route....so really I prefer the 100 for lacquers and enamels out of sheer laziness LOL
                        Mike
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                        pmm736
                        • Member since
                          April 2004
                        Posted by pmm736 on Sunday, April 10, 2005 11:06 AM
                        Quick question about the Dauntless. The AM instructions call for the pre-war tricolor prop tips but don't list what colors. I looked at a couple of the on line builds but am having trouble making it out. Is it red, yellow , blue?
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                        tho9900
                        • Member since
                          July 2004
                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:13 PM
                        Pete - yup that's it... here's a pic of an early NMF one...

                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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                        bobbaily
                        • Member since
                          November 2003
                        • From: Nashville, TN area
                        Posted by bobbaily on Sunday, April 10, 2005 3:13 PM
                        Made little progress the last week-polished the wings with toothpaste to smooth out the paint a little. Still not what I would like it to be, but should be ok after the chalk weathering. Did a little touch up via brush and installed the engine. Major work is done-just a lot of little detail things to do.




                        Just hate to cover that engine up. Almost as bad as having most of the interior detail not visable....oh bother...

                        Bob

                         

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                        tho9900
                        • Member since
                          July 2004
                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, April 10, 2005 4:38 PM
                        looks great Bob!!! Looks like it went together fairly well in the end... the paint looks great from my angle... the dull coat and whatnot will help level out any high or low spots (or reduce the noticability of them anyway)

                        Looking forward to see this one finished!!
                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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                        bobbaily
                        • Member since
                          November 2003
                        • From: Nashville, TN area
                        Posted by bobbaily on Sunday, April 10, 2005 7:50 PM
                        As always, thanks. Looking forward to finishing this one so I can move on to North Africa.....

                        Bob

                         

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                        traintrak
                        • Member since
                          March 2005
                        • From: Mableton, Georgia
                        Posted by traintrak on Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:39 PM
                        I feel for ya Bob, hate to see that engine disappear. Looks like your going to leave us rattle can guys behind here down the road. I've enjoyed the tips from the group on A/B. There is also a pretty good supplement issue included in the May FSM on the basics of A/B, if you get the chance check it out. Never tried it myself, maybe one of these days, for now I'll just keep shaking & dipping. My paint order from Great Models arrived, & I've gathered the remaining colors I needed. Got the Kate all washed down, time to get serious on the interior.

                        Phil
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                        darson
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Melbourne, Australia
                        Posted by darson on Monday, April 11, 2005 12:20 AM
                        Tom I have the Iwata HP-CS and I love it[ tup]. When I bought it through Dixieart I got the .5MM needle and nozzle at the same time for an extra $20. I couldn't be happier with my choice as now I just change needle and nozzle depending on what I'm wanting to spray.

                        Bob WOW, your SBD engine looks great, you're right it is a shame to cover it up.

                        Cheers
                        Darren

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 11, 2005 7:15 AM
                        Bob I agree with the other guys, Looking Good, Engine came out greatThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]
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                        bobbaily
                        • Member since
                          November 2003
                        • From: Nashville, TN area
                        Posted by bobbaily on Monday, April 11, 2005 7:39 AM
                        Thanks all. Overall, the Accurate Min. SBD-2 has been a fun build. Detail I have not experienced up to this point (Monogram products up to now & one Polar Lights funny car which was an effort in futility). Looking forward to the Accurate Min F-6A for the NA build.

                        Bob

                         

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                        tho9900
                        • Member since
                          July 2004
                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Monday, April 11, 2005 6:35 PM
                        Bob - I actually like the SBD-5 build a little better than the dash-2 even though they are almost identical... maybe the kit had time to mature and they fixed some of the small issues I noticed with this one.. (the trailing surface of the wing not wanting to mate up good to the fuselage etc...) Maybe sometime this coming winter we'll have to do a dive bomber GB... give us time to finish some of the others...

                        Darren --- maybe for my birthday at the end of the month I'll get a surprise in the mail Wink [;)] (especially if I am the one who ordered it haha)

                        Phil - good to hear about the Kate nearing a start! Looking forward to seeing your work!
                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 11, 2005 7:09 PM
                        Thats not the only suprise you'll be getting on your birthday Tom
                        We've talked old Kremps into doing something special for you............
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                        tho9900
                        • Member since
                          July 2004
                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Monday, April 11, 2005 8:49 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

                        Thats not the only suprise you'll be getting on your birthday Tom
                        We've talked old Kremps into doing something special for you............



                        Shock [:O]Shock [:O]Shock [:O]Shock [:O] not her famous all nude rendition of "Swan Lake"????? I'll have to make sure I charge my camera...
                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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                        traintrak
                        • Member since
                          March 2005
                        • From: Mableton, Georgia
                        Posted by traintrak on Monday, April 11, 2005 9:27 PM
                        Yeah Tom, that sounds good for the winter time blues, an all dive bomber GB. With this group it would be one big SBD feast !! I say lets keep that in mind.
                        The Kate cockpit is underway! The kit has pretty good detail. Hope to have some photos by next week.

                        Phil
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                        pingtang
                        • Member since
                          April 2003
                        • From: NSW, Australia
                        Posted by pingtang on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:02 AM
                        I got some good work done on my Dauntless today. I glued the top of the wings on, and glued the cowls together. It's all going together nicely so far. The problems started when I decided that those wires on the engine front were too thick for my liking. So I started cutting them off, Then I decided that the push rods were also too thick.......So, off they came too. I've now replaced the pushrods with some styrene rod, and I'm gonna start on the wires soon. I think it should be worth it though (I hope).
                        -Daniel
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                        bobbaily
                        • Member since
                          November 2003
                        • From: Nashville, TN area
                        Posted by bobbaily on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:02 AM
                        Tom,
                        Knowing that you can be readily found here (or where ever Kremps may be), thanks for the response over in the Painting forum. I found the article very informative. I think what I'm sensing from the group is to go ahead and start with an internal mix double action AB. My thought after discounting the Aztek was to go external/single for ease of cleaning & skill building.
                        Does the Badger 155 give the user the ability to do overall coverage & camoflage (basic) type work without changing tips or does that require a tip change?

                        Thanks again.

                        Bob

                         

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