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Fw190D/Ta-152 "Langnase" Group Build

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, September 9, 2005 11:54 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dragonfly

Nice tail Marc...reminds me of my X. Big Smile [:D]Evil [}:)]Tongue [:P] Sheet styrene?

Jerry


Ouch [:0]Wink [;)]Big Smile [:D]

Started with a piece sheet styrene glued to the leading edge cut to the exact shape of the extension. Took a red marker to color the font edge of that as a reference for all sanding... when I get to the red... STOP.


Some strip styrene to fill in then putty, sand, putty, sand, putty, sand.... well you get the picture.Smile [:)]


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Posted by dragonfly on Friday, September 9, 2005 8:55 AM
Nice tail Marc...reminds me of my X. Big Smile [:D]Evil [}:)]Tongue [:P] Sheet styrene?

Jerry
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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, September 9, 2005 12:01 AM
I decided to try to make my first mod to a kit. Not a major one but a mod none the less. My Tamiya 190 D now has a big tail.

Before…


And after…

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, September 5, 2005 11:32 PM
Thanks dragonfly.

Jon... how did the Eagle Parts TA tails work out? Good fit, etc?

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Posted by dragonfly on Monday, September 5, 2005 8:08 PM
Lookin real good Marc and Matt....can't wait to see these birds finished. I'm decaling as we speak, and should be done soon. I decided go with "Yellow 1" from the EagleCals Yellow Tailed D-9s sheet. I'm very impressed with this Tri-master kit. Cheers!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 7:27 PM
Thanks Wing Nut. I'll wait and see what others have to say, but I really appreciate your quick response. Personally, I'm leaning towards 23 (and by the way, I have MM 23), but I'll wait and see if anyone else weighs in on this. I built an FW 190 A8 some time back and the spinner tip was painted MM 23. It looks pretty darn red, so although I'm apprehensive about covering the entire bottom of my expensive kit with 23, I just think back to that spinner and the way it looks and I feel a bit better. MM 23 definitely goes on a bit redder than it looks sitting in the bottle.
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Langnase Group build
Posted by Cobrahistorian on Monday, September 5, 2005 6:36 PM
The KG(j) 27 bird is one of the ones I'm working on. There's a good quality profile shot on one of my ealriest posts on this thread. I'm working on that and Black 12 from the same unit. The two, with Ta tails and checker tailbands are just too cool!

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, September 5, 2005 6:30 PM
SNAFU

You don’t mention which Rot 23 does not look right. I thought the same for the Model Master 23. Seemed to be too light in color compared too finished models I had seen. While searching for 190 references online I did come across a finished model that looked to have used the MM 23 and it looked good, as if it a weathered, faded finish. That late in the war I just wonder if it would have enough time to get that faded.

The IMPS Stockholm site has a color chart that lists the usage of 23 as “Markings”. So going by that and what the red for all the numbers, etc. looks like, they don’t quite match. I have a very old, about 35 years, mixing chart for Floquil paint that shows 23 as pretty red. I know I have said what to use so hopefully some that has built that bird has a suggestion they are happy with.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 2:41 PM
Oh, and if it's ok, I'll stick around and put up some pics. I thought I was pretty good until I saw some of the pics on here. Sheesh! Anyway, I used an Eduard cockpit kit in mine and had trouble with the upper instrument panel. It didn't want to fit properly as supplied, so I ended up making do, and it's okay, but I'm disappointed in that aspect of the cockpit build. I've glued the fuselage halves together, and that's about where I am with the project. Pics to follow.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 2:19 PM
Hello...this has probably been addressed here before, so forgive me if so, but I'm having trouble figuring out what red is supposed to be on the bottom of my JV44 FW-190. My kit (Hasegawa 1/32) calls for RLM 23, but I swear that looks too dull or flat or something. Any advice? Thanks in advance.
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Friday, September 2, 2005 4:20 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by wing_nut

QUOTE: Originally posted by blkhwkmatt
[Question [?] for the group - other than buying the specific color from a online hobby shop how would you suggest making the straw color that is seen on the fusalage sides of some of the late war Doras? My revell kit gives a scientific method for doing it but I would rather not have to use their horrible paints to make the color. I thought that I had read somewhere - cant find it now, obvously - that you could use a Japanese army or navy color and add some white to it to get the correct shade?
found the thread that I was talking about:
http://hsfeatures.com/features04/fw190d9bigtail32ir_1.htm
but I have already ordered the Color of Eagles "RLM 84" from GreatModels so I'll use that but if I dont like the way it looks I'll use the method described in that review

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!!


Matt,

I was at the LHS looking for markings for my Dora and happened upon these. I remembered the post about the straw color and thought this might be helpful. It happens that I am going to use that scheme since I think the NMF under the wings will look cool.



Edit

Ok the pic won’t get big so you can’t read it… here is what is says:
A/C 3 FW 190D-9 of III./KG(J). This very late war A/C wears a scheme consisting of RLM 82/83/76 plus that elusive late color used on some 109’, 190’s and 262’s (called by some books RLM99?) This color has been described as very close to the British SKY color, and many experts believe there were perhaps 2, 3, or 4 different shades. Mixing RLM 76 and a little RLM 02 will give you a close shade wile allowing you to control the hue. Bottom of the wings is believed to be Natural metal with RLM 76 ailerons. Other sources indicate the front half of the bottom of the wings was RLM 99?. A/c shot down Apr. 1, 1945

Drop me an email if you want the that pic file sent to read it.





I was able to read it by right clicking on it and then zooming in on it. Thanks for the great info. I have ordered the Color of Eagles RLM 84 ( which it turns out was not a genuine RLM codeing but is supposed to be the Green blue or straw color that is on a bunch if the late war planes.) If I dont like the shade that the paint gives me I will definitly use the method that is mentioned in those instructions.

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, September 1, 2005 7:55 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by blkhwkmatt
[Question [?] for the group - other than buying the specific color from a online hobby shop how would you suggest making the straw color that is seen on the fusalage sides of some of the late war Doras? My revell kit gives a scientific method for doing it but I would rather not have to use their horrible paints to make the color. I thought that I had read somewhere - cant find it now, obvously - that you could use a Japanese army or navy color and add some white to it to get the correct shade?
found the thread that I was talking about:
http://hsfeatures.com/features04/fw190d9bigtail32ir_1.htm
but I have already ordered the Color of Eagles "RLM 84" from GreatModels so I'll use that but if I dont like the way it looks I'll use the method described in that review

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!!


Matt,

I was at the LHS looking for markings for my Dora and happened upon these. I remembered the post about the straw color and thought this might be helpful. It happens that I am going to use that scheme since I think the NMF under the wings will look cool.



Edit

Ok the pic won’t get big so you can’t read it… here is what is says:
A/C 3 FW 190D-9 of III./KG(J). This very late war A/C wears a scheme consisting of RLM 82/83/76 plus that elusive late color used on some 109’, 190’s and 262’s (called by some books RLM99?) This color has been described as very close to the British SKY color, and many experts believe there were perhaps 2, 3, or 4 different shades. Mixing RLM 76 and a little RLM 02 will give you a close shade wile allowing you to control the hue. Bottom of the wings is believed to be Natural metal with RLM 76 ailerons. Other sources indicate the front half of the bottom of the wings was RLM 99?. A/c shot down Apr. 1, 1945

Drop me an email if you want the that pic file sent to read it.


Marc  

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Thursday, September 1, 2005 2:31 PM
Update

Here are a couple more in progress pics of my D-9 that will end up being "black 6" once I am able to finish it.

The radio compartment - before painting and other small details added


View of the same from the rear


View of the left wing root cannon bay (the only one that will be open)


Image of the Eduard PE landing flaps ( wow what a great PE set )


I have closed the fusalage and attached the wings and cowling assembly. I am also going to have the top Maching Gun bay open, found that the Verlinden resin gun cowling is a bit to small to position closed on the Revell kit. (dont know that it is because i cut the panel lines wrong or if it is based off of another older mold. It wont really be noticeable because it will be positioned open anyway, just an observation )

I'll post pics of the newest progress sometime this weekend!!!!Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, September 1, 2005 7:11 AM
Thanks Jerry.
In the event you are doing the Tamiya JV 44 D-9 kit…. The dry fit of the wings was not too good. But I glued the upped wings in place first then the lowers went in much better with something solid to glue to take care of a warp in the lower section.

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Posted by dragonfly on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:14 PM
Marc....I thought I was the only one with sausage-like fingers. PE parts are great, but really try my patience. Your CP looks outstanding. Can't wait to see more. My 190 is coming along slowly, but will soon move up to priority status since everything else is pretty much finished. Anyhoo...vacation is over....time to get busy.

Jerry
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Monday, August 29, 2005 1:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by wing_nut

Thanks Matt. It took a couple hours on and off. A lot of the time was spent getting the littlest pieces to stay in the tweezers to get them glued in place…. Pick it up… drop it… pick it up again… drop it again. It went together pretty easy though… the bending was easy with nice deep score lines to bend on. Almost all bending was done with my big sausage fingers.


I can totally understand the frustration of having the tiny pieces refusing to be picked up!!! I have only used PE in 1/32nd scale so i can imagine how tiny they are. Good job!!

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, August 29, 2005 9:03 AM
Thanks Matt. It took a couple hours on and off. A lot of the time was spent getting the littlest pieces to stay in the tweezers to get them glued in place…. Pick it up… drop it… pick it up again… drop it again. It went together pretty easy though… the bending was easy with nice deep score lines to bend on. Almost all bending was done with my big sausage fingers.

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Monday, August 29, 2005 1:12 AM
wing-nut - sweet looking pit!! How long did it take you to assemble it?

Question [?] for the group - other than buying the specific color from a online hobby shop how would you suggest making the straw color that is seen on the fusalage sides of some of the late war Doras? My revell kit gives a scientific method for doing it but I would rather not have to use their horrible paints to make the color. I thought that I had read somewhere - cant find it now, obvously - that you could use a Japanese army or navy color and add some white to it to get the correct shade?
found the thread that I was talking about:
http://hsfeatures.com/features04/fw190d9bigtail32ir_1.htm
but I have already ordered the Color of Eagles "RLM 84" from GreatModels so I'll use that but if I dont like the way it looks I'll use the method described in that review

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!!

BTW I have the fusalage assembled - details inside the radio compartment complete, am going to have one wing root gun bay opened with the cannon inside and the top cannon cowling will be opened as well. Pics are soon to follow.

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, August 26, 2005 11:29 PM
If you have been following the “P-47 PE Hell” thread… WOW do I know what he is talking about. Talk about some really tiny pieces. I can’t believe I didn’t loose any. First time trying a full PE cockpit. Its Eduard’s 190D detail set and put it together is really straight forward…. No snags. I didn’t put anything in for reference but the whole tub is barely 1¼ inches long. Only thing I added was to take the levers on the IP and give them some dimension by dipping the handles into thick CA and them kicker.






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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Friday, August 26, 2005 1:54 PM
Well I have recieved my Verlinden FW-190D detail set and, wowCool [8D] it is an amazing set. I dont think that I'll use half of it and still will have a wickedly detailed dora!! I think that the first one that I am going to be complete will be a D-9, perhaps "black 6" . And then I'll convert the second one that I have ( the bad Hasegawa kit ) to a D-11 using the rutman conversion set. Big Smile [:D]

Hopefully I'll make a bit of progress this weekend and will be able to post some pics.

and oh yea! BUMP!!!! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:08 PM
WingNut,

Welcome, and thanks! We left the GB open ended and everyone seems to be progressing well. I just wish I had time to build more!
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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:28 PM
I was like a kid in a candy shop today. Was at the LHS trying to decide what to spend my birthday gift certificates on. (A BIG one a couple of weeks ago). I am going to do the Trumpeter 1/24 190D for the Battle for Germany GB that starts in Dec. so I picked up the Verlinden detail set. I started to peruse all the Eduard sets and found a nice 1/48 FW 190D set for the Tamiya kit… so figured it will be god practice for the 1/24 bad boy so I got both of those and a few other goodies. So I came here to see what the end date is…. And there isn’t one. I went through all 10 pages and read ‘em all. Nice work so far everyone... Welcome back Jon and congrats LT… Pix, thanks for the great ref back on page six. Is there a badge yet? JS Harrison had one a bunch of pages back that looked good. I will take a stab at one if you want. And oh yeah…. I guess you figured by now… my hat is officially in the ring. Like JS H. said back on page 1” OK i'm in with the Tamiya D9 1/48 with the eduard coloured pe set, not sure on the scheme yet, have to do some research” Gonna try doing 2 planes at once, never done that before…. Give me something to do when something is drying.

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Posted by pingtang on Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:44 PM
They're good pics mate. Thanks for posting them. That small scoop on top of the cowl is interesting. It's something I've never noticed before. It's there in the wartime photos of Yellow 10 as well. I'll have to add that to my model.
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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:13 PM
Hey guys,

Sorry for the delay, but here are the pics I took of Yellow 10. Hope you like em.




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Posted by luftwaffle on Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:05 AM
Wow! Looks great Matt, looking forward to seeing the completed project.

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Posted by dragonfly on Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:37 AM
Very nice pit Matt...You've definitely spent some time there. Can't wait to see more.

Jerry
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Posted by pingtang on Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:58 AM
That looks great Matt. I like the look of your seat. The only thing I'd suggest is that you give it a coat of flat clear to get rid of the shine. Great work.Thumbs Up [tup]
-Daniel
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Friday, August 12, 2005 3:16 PM
Here are a couple of shots of the 'pit for my revell germany kit. I used the eagleparts seat and PE rudder pedals other than that it is OOB.







I have the Eduard PE flaps also installed but am currently waiting on the Verlinden detail set to get here so I can continue. I will be building this as a D-9 but not sure what number yet. By the way the PE flaps are awsome - a bit of a challenge to assemble but once they are WOW!

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Posted by luftwaffle on Friday, August 12, 2005 3:02 PM
Thanks for the compliments guys!

Mike

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Friday, August 12, 2005 1:12 PM
Luftwaffle -

Looks great, the weathering is very impressive. I hope that my Dora looks as good as yours!!

Thanks for sharing!!

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