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Posted by JoeRugby on Monday, February 6, 2006 2:20 PM

Hey there Jerry,

 

Nice fade job...too bad about the gloss coat though.  Subtle is better.  One questions/concern...how would one fade the national insignia to match the paint fade?

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Posted by dragonfly on Monday, February 6, 2006 2:39 PM
 JoeRugby wrote:

Hey there Jerry,

 

Nice fade job...too bad about the gloss coat though.  Subtle is better.  One questions/concern...how would one fade the national insignia to match the paint fade?

Hey Joe!  congrats on the Stillers win, was there ever any doubt? Good question. I have absolutely no idea. However, I normally use Polly scale flat for a final clear coat, and although it is very flat, it is also very clear. While in Florida, the LHS didn't carry Poly Scale products so I tried MM acryllic clear flat and it dried to a very flat kind of milky faded look. It seem to do a reasonable job of fading new decals. I've also heard of some model builders who mist on a very thin coat of sand at the end. Never tried it, but it sounds like it would work. BTW....I lost the bet. Where should I send your winnings?

Jerry

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 10:25 AM

Joe, I see by your comments in the 1st jets thread...you seem to be taking Seattle's loss quite well.

Finally got a chance to put in some time on the t-bolt.  Never been one for doing 2 builds at once but while the 190 is stalled for the moment I need to do something.  pit progress below.  I love the Eduards PE sets but all I can say is it is a real good thing they give you some extra levers and such for the ones that twang off into oblivion

 

 

Marc  

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Posted by dragonfly on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 10:52 AM

Marc...the cockpit looks great. Nice job on them tiny parts. The leather head rest looks real. Nice job.

Jerry

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Posted by gwaihir on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 11:18 AM

Jerry, Great job on the p-47 lineup. It looks excellent. I really appreciate your fading photos. They will definitely help when it comes time to try the effect! Thanks for posting them.

Marc, the cockpit looks great! Those painted eduard sets sure do add a lot of nice detail. A question for you, or anyone else, I also have a painted set and while putting on the seatbelts some of the color chipped off. Any ideas on a color match (I'm color blind and clueless Sad [:(] )

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 5:41 AM
Very nice interior wing_nut.  Maybe Im heavy handed but I seem to chip off most of the paint from those pre painted p.e. sets.  Maybe I just need more practice with them.  At this point Im more inclined to go with a resin set if I want to add detail to a kit.  Nicely done.
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Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 10:19 AM

Off to a slow start.  I've been busy getting my FW190A8 ready for airbrushing for the Battle of Germany GB.  I'm hoping to make some major headway on the P-47 this weekend. 

Very nice work all of you that have posted pics.  You're giving me something to aspire to.

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 11:59 AM

Thanks all for the comments.

 

Steve I know what you mean.  I got this and the set for a P-51 after using the P-40 set.  This one has a lot more stuff in it and some resin to just pick out the detail with a paint brush would be a welcome relief.

Marc  

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 12:55 PM
Hi gang,

just stopped by to see how everyone is doing and it looks like everyones doing a good job!

Marc, very nice work on the office, well done!

Jerry, thats one heck of a flight line you have there, those T-bolts look fantastic! I hope to have a simular line up in the future. Thanks for the pics.

See you all later,

Darren.
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Posted by Jabbe on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 7:15 PM

wing_nut: nice pit there. Looks sharp!

Jerry: Thanks again for the Alclad info. If it's nice out this weekend, I'll put a coat on.

I got the red trim painted. As always, I should have airbrushed it rather than hand paint it. It came out ok, with only one small leak. I just think it would have looked better airbrushed. Hopefuy a gloss Future coat will cover up all the small blemishes. I'm hoping to have this bird finished up rather soon, so I can work on my NMF 'bolt (and my 2 other projects).


Joshua

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, February 9, 2006 10:34 AM

Lookin' good Joshua.  Starting to like the look of the OD jugs... plus getting nervous about trying my 1st NMF on this build.  Thinking it may be better to try on something OOB... a little less painful if things go horribly awry.

Pits done and finished the engine last night. PE wiring harness and I chiseled out all the molded in push rods and replaced them with pieces of wire.

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Posted by espins1 on Thursday, February 9, 2006 11:09 AM
 wing_nut wrote:

Lookin' good Joshua.  Starting to like the look of the OD jugs... plus getting nervous about trying my 1st NMF on this build.  Thinking it may be better to try on something OOB... a little less painful if things go horribly awry.

I hear ya about the NMF.  I've never done one before, but I suppose it's time to bite the bullet and give it a shot.  I saw on another post that someone recommended putting down a coat of gloss black before spraying the Alcad II.  Anyone else do that same process? 

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Posted by dragonfly on Thursday, February 9, 2006 12:41 PM
 espins1 wrote:
 wing_nut wrote:

Lookin' good Joshua.  Starting to like the look of the OD jugs... plus getting nervous about trying my 1st NMF on this build.  Thinking it may be better to try on something OOB... a little less painful if things go horribly awry.

I hear ya about the NMF.  I've never done one before, but I suppose it's time to bite the bullet and give it a shot.  I saw on another post that someone recommended putting down a coat of gloss black before spraying the Alcad II.  Anyone else do that same process? 

Scott,it is absolutely imperative that you use a base coat under Alclad. Alclad is a laquer,and if you spray it on by itself, it will literally eat the plastic. The enamel seves as a primer to protect the plastic and to provide a smooth glossy surface so you get the most out of the metal look that Alclad gives you. Black is recommended under the more shiny Alclad shades (polished aluminum, chrome, etc.) Future also is an excellent primer coat for Alclad. Just apply what ever you have confidence in to give you a very smooth glossy finish. And make SURE your base coat is cured completely.

Just for fun....this is what Alclad chrome looks like over gloss black enamel. I know, I know,LOL, way too shiny. I ended up starting over on this one. Just an example of how far you can go. Put on your shades.

Here's another model using regular Alum., Dark Alum., polished Alum., and Magnesium. All Alclad shades over MM gloss black enamel.

I don't know why everyone freaks about nmf's. Alclad is a wonderfull product that is easy to use. Just don't skip any steps. Good luck guys.

Jerry

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Posted by KINGTHAD on Thursday, February 9, 2006 12:47 PM

Espins 1, Im doing mine in NMF. I first shot future as a base coat then I did some pre shading. I let that dry 48 hrs and then shot the Alcad. I sprayed light coats down but it covered almost all my preshading work. Other than that every thing went well. One problem I did have was I got a burst of water out of my a/b during my Alcad session, I have a moisture trap so I dont know why that happened. I will try to post pic soon.

 

Thad

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Posted by espins1 on Thursday, February 9, 2006 12:57 PM

Awesome, thanks for the tips gentlemen.  Now I'm not quite as nervous about doing a NMF.  :)

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Posted by Gilmund on Thursday, February 9, 2006 1:50 PM

Very nice work guys, all of you.

Well, I've got maybe an hour of free time after work so my build moves slowly. After a lot of cutting and sanding, I've managed to make one of the Aires wheel bays fit inside the wing and fuselage half.

I haven't glued it in place yet becouse i don't know if I should paint it first. What do you guys think?

Keep up the good work /Johan

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Posted by dragonfly on Thursday, February 9, 2006 2:06 PM
 Gilmund wrote:

Very nice work guys, all of you.

Well, I've got maybe an hour of free time after work so my build moves slowly. After a lot of cutting and sanding, I've managed to make one of the Aires wheel bays fit inside the wing and fuselage half.

I haven't glued it in place yet becouse i don't know if I should paint it first. What do you guys think?

Keep up the good work /Johan

Paint and weather it now. It would be difficult to get up inside there once it's installed in the wing. The Aires set has outstanding detail BTW. Nice choice.

Jerry

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Posted by Jabbe on Thursday, February 9, 2006 9:35 PM

Those are some nice looking builds there Jerry. In fact, everyone's builds look really good, from what I've seen. I'm glad to see such progress in this GB.

Question: What's the order for Lacquers, Acrylics, and Enamels? I know you're supposed to paint them in a certian order, but I can't find anywhere what that order is. Anyone know?

I think I'm finished with the red trim on the OD Tbolt, and I don't know if I like it or not. For starters, I should have airbrushed it and not hand painted it. Also, it still dosn't look like the correct red color. It just seems a little off. I've been to both LHSs looking for other shades of red with no luck. If I decide I like it I'll Future it tomorrow, since I'm skipping class anyway :-D

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Posted by KINGTHAD on Friday, February 10, 2006 9:09 AM

Here's some pic's of my jug in NMF.

In this pic. you can see some of the preshading.

Thad

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Posted by dragonfly on Friday, February 10, 2006 12:58 PM
 Jabbe wrote:

Those are some nice looking builds there Jerry. In fact, everyone's builds look really good, from what I've seen. I'm glad to see such progress in this GB.

Question: What's the order for Lacquers, Acrylics, and Enamels? I know you're supposed to paint them in a certian order, but I can't find anywhere what that order is. Anyone know?

I think I'm finished with the red trim on the OD Tbolt, and I don't know if I like it or not. For starters, I should have airbrushed it and not hand painted it. Also, it still dosn't look like the correct red color. It just seems a little off. I've been to both LHSs looking for other shades of red with no luck. If I decide I like it I'll Future it tomorrow, since I'm skipping class anyway :-D

Jabbe, your question is a little complex. There really isn't any order of useage. To be on the safe side, the rule of thumb is, once you start with a particular paint, you should try to stay with that paint.  Enamels over enamels, acrylics over acrylics etc. you'll never have problems painting that way. However, there are many exceptions. Alclad laquer for instance, must, and I mean must have an undercoat. The solvent in Alclad is very aggressive, and will craze bare plastic. Both MM enamels and Future, which is acrylic, are excellent undercoats for Alclad as long as they are fully cured. Also, generally speaking, I've used just about any combination of paint types over one another with no ill effects as long as the previous coating is dry and cured. All types of paint have advantages and dissadvantages. If I wanted a high gloss finish, I would choose an oil based enamel over acrylics because of it's superior bonding abbilities and it flows and levels better than acrylics for a gloss finish. The downside is, it takes longer to dry, and you run the risk of picking up dust, and you can't handle the model for at least 24 hrs. If I wanted to do a multiple camo finish in one day, and was not concerned with sheen, I would choose acrylics. Acrylics will bond well as long as the surface is clean, dull, and dry. They are also safer to use, and dry very quickly. As for a natural metal finish, Alclad is hard to beat, but it's toxic to breath, and must have an undercoat as mentioned above. I've seen some beautifull realistic NMF's using other products as well. SNJ and Floquil old silver for instance. Either one of these products you can apply right on the bare plastic safely.

So you see, there really isn't any set order for painting. It all boils down to what you're trying to achieve. I hope this rambling has answered at least part of your question.

Jerry

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Posted by Chatterer on Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:40 PM
I almost forgot this GB till I found my Thunderbolt box today and started back on it here is a shot of the cockpit http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/Char-88/IMG_1262.jpg its almost done I am not going to crazy painting it up since in 1/72 scale you are not going to see much anyway. Btw Great work every one hope mine turns out half as goodSmile [:)]
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Posted by espins1 on Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:22 PM
I just sprayed all the cockpit sub assemblies with Tamiya XF5.  I took a few photos of them but I can't find my USB cable to upload the pictures from my camera.  When I find it, I'll post the pics.  So far, the 1/48 Tamiya P-47D Bubbletop is a very nice kit.  No flash, lot's of detail and the parts fit together very nicely and I must say the kit is very well engineered.  The instructions are also very clear and well laid out. 

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Posted by gwaihir on Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:53 PM
Catch up post...

Joshua Your build looks good. I know what you mean about the difference between brush painting and airbrushing. The very first time I used my airbrush I fell in love with the results. Now I hate to brush paint anything, but alas some details are just to hard to mask and airbrush :-(

wing_nut Your engine looks great! I really like the wiring and the work you did adding the posts; it makes it all look really sharp.

Thad looks good. I'm trying to remember, you used future as a base coat under the alclad, right? Do you like that better than the gloss black? Anyway, which kit is it?

Jerry Wow! Some beautiful builds. I have to admit I really like the super shiny mustang. It looks very cool.

Espins1 I know what you mean about the tamiya kit. I have build both of their 1/72 t-bolts and loved them. This is my first 1/48 tamiya t-bolt and wow, it is even better! Just an awesome kit all around!

Well, I hope all is well with everyone. I hope to have a little progress of my own in the next couple of days. Leon
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Posted by KINGTHAD on Monday, February 13, 2006 8:37 AM

gwaihir, I have used both, gloss black and future. They both seem to work well as a under coat, I dont have anything bad to say about either. In the end I will go on using future because it is cheaper.

the kit is a Tamiya 1/48 P-47  bubbletop

Thad

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Posted by espins1 on Monday, February 13, 2006 11:27 AM

Progress report Tamiya 1/48 P-47D Bubbletop.

The cockpit is completely painted and I must say I think it's my best cockpit work, ever!  I'm very pleased with the way it turned out.  If I can find the USB cord for my camera, I'll upload some pics. 

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Posted by Chatterer on Monday, February 13, 2006 5:30 PM

Ok got the Thunderbolt built up today lots of filling in some parts wing joints bottom was bad also, and drilled out the guns.Here are some pics

After I took the pics washed the airplane and plan to paint the bottom tomorrow.

David
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Posted by dragonfly on Monday, February 13, 2006 6:56 PM

Looks great Frogfoot, can't wait to see some paint!

Jerry

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Posted by Chatterer on Monday, February 13, 2006 7:44 PM
Thanks Jerry, Just remembered that I have to paint red on the cowl then mask that out then start the camo. So the most I will be doing tomorrow is masking out parts of the plane and painting red and maybe painting the bombs.
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Posted by gwaihir on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:51 AM
Looks good FrogFoot. It seems you did a nice job taking care of the parts you mentioned were bad. Which kit is it?

Looking forward to more.
Leon
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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:43 AM
Ran into a little snag with the decals for the instrument panel, it just would not get in position correctly nor would it hunker down on the panel as it kept getting stuck on the raised details of the plastic instrument piece.  Eventually, the decal just disintegrated as I was trying to position it.  I think at this point I'm going to have to very carefully dry brush the instruments.  I hope that works since I feel really good about the way the rest of the cockpit looks.

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