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WWII Carrier Aircraft Design GB (Starts Now -- Ends November 30, 2006)

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:37 PM

Looks as though you applied one rather heavy coat of Future.  While Future is self levelling, over zealous application can cause runs or pooling, which is what you have.  I always spray Future in 3 light coats about a 1/2 hour apart & let it build up gradually.

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Posted by TryintoModel on Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:05 PM
Another hard lesson learned....  I've never had this problem before and I didn't think I had applied it to thick.  However, the results are that you are right. 
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Posted by gwaihir on Friday, March 31, 2006 3:44 AM
Bummer TryingtoModel. I know there are tons of people who love future. I'm getting closer to figuring it out, but still have troubles with it. Was your paint coat enamel or acrylic? The future would come off with some windex lightly rubbed, but if the paint is acylic that would likely come off too. I don't know if I would try it - someone's bound to have a safer solution...
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Posted by TryintoModel on Friday, March 31, 2006 8:21 AM
I used enamels, so the windex should be ok.   I'm going to try both the windex and wet sanding method in the less noticable areas to see which works best.  I'm sure others know better than me, but it seems if I used enamel paint, the windex would be the easier solution.  I'm afraid that if I use sandpaper, I'm going to scratch up or scratch off the paint underneath.  At least it seems like a solvable problem.  I'll try to fix it tonight.  I wanted to let the future cure another day before messing with it.
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Posted by espins1 on Friday, March 31, 2006 11:16 AM
Made a lot of progress on my Wildcat last night.  The engine mounts, firewall, cockpit etc. are completely painted.  Tonight I'm doing an oil wash on them and finishing up the engine painting as well.  If all goes well, I will be putting the fuselage, wings etc. together and should be able to lay down the exterior colors Saturday evening or Sunday.

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Posted by TryintoModel on Friday, March 31, 2006 1:27 PM
The way I'm going, espins1, you'll be caught up with me soon.  :)  I was hoping to start decaling last night, but now I have to fix this future problem.  Maybe I can get around to decaling Saturday night if I can fix the future tonight.

Lets see some pictures, espins1.  What paint scheme are you going to do?  I really thought about doing the tri color scheme, but finaly decided to stick to the blue-gray/light gray scheme.  Of the decal choices for that scheme, I'm going to do the one that doesn't use the red and white striped rudder.  I think there are two choices, if I recall correctly, that doesn't use the striped rudder, but I haven't decided which of those to use.

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Posted by espins1 on Friday, March 31, 2006 2:10 PM

I'll post some pics tomorrow or Sunday after I've done the oil wash and it's dried a bit.  As it stands right now, I'm going to go with the red and white striped tail, and red dot on the star insignia i.e. the one that flew on the USS Ranger.  I picked that one mostly because it's colorful and makes an otherwise pretty plain looking aircraft have a little pizzaz.  Cool [8D]

I just hope the rudder decals aren't too fiddly, if you know what I mean.  I'm toying with the idea of masking and spraying the tail, but after all my problems with the mottling on my FW190A8 in the Battle of Germany GB, I'm leaning towards a nice, simple project.  Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by TryintoModel on Friday, March 31, 2006 7:16 PM
LOL, that is exactly why I chose the simplest paint scheme.  I really need to get my confidence up with a an easy scheme.  But I even screwed that up!  haha   However, the windex and q-tip method seemed to have worked wonders for my future spots.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed.  I rinsed the areas off pretty well, so I shouldn't have a problem.  I'll apply another light coat tonight and hopefully start decaling tomorrow. 

I would just like to complete a nice clean build for a change and then I'll start working my way up to more challenging stuff again later.  :)

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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, April 1, 2006 12:11 PM

That's the way I started (not that I have advanced that far) but I did the simpler schmes until I got a feel for the airnbrush and future etc... then went to something a little more up (like the disruptive camo for RAF WWII kits) then on till I started tackling the German mottle for the FW-190 and such... at least my flops are kept little this way instead of "oh my....  now what went wrong there...."  haha..

Looking forward to seeing the Wildcats... that is one of my favorite planes to build as they go together relatively easy but still look nicely detailed when done.  If you like them and decide to do one a little different I can send the instructions how to mod the kit to a FAA Martlet... it looks funny to see them in British markings but they look just as good.  There's not much to the conversion, just sanding off the outer hood scoop, cutting the sides off the floor panels and a few other things...

Oh yeah, on the future thing, if anyone uses acrylics you might want to try it on scrap first.. but when cured and futured over, I simply spray the windex directly on the wings or what not and use my fingers to work the ammonia in.. I've never had it strip acrylics on a model with cured paint.  Mind you I don't let it soak, I apply, work it in for about a minute, rinse.. check the progess, apply some more if need be etc...  Again, might want to try it on plastic due to differences in plaint brands...

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Posted by TryintoModel on Saturday, April 1, 2006 4:44 PM
Here's the before and after.  The q-tip/windex technique worked great.

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Posted by TryintoModel on Saturday, April 1, 2006 4:48 PM
hmmm, can't seem to edit that post

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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, April 1, 2006 4:49 PM

Looks good!!!  you can't even tell it was puddled before!

-=edit=-

yeah I tried to reply to the previous one and it had me locked into black letters with a black background.. needless to say I had to redo it!  Wink [;)]

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Posted by gwaihir on Saturday, April 1, 2006 6:02 PM
Looks great! What a great feeling when something finally goes right, huh? Now I'm looking forward to the decals... :)
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, April 1, 2006 6:20 PM
Good save Tryingtomodel, glad it worked out well.
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Posted by TryintoModel on Sunday, April 2, 2006 9:34 AM
And she is decaled!  :)



You can't tell from the photo, but the decals finally snuggled down nicely.  Those tamiya decals are thick and hardy, but I kept applying microsol and poking holes in the bubbles (for the rivet areas) to help them settle.  They finaly recessed even into the smalled spots nicely.  Some of the decals started with a little cloudiness around the clear edges that had me nervous, but it finally went away.

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, April 2, 2006 10:26 AM

Nice job on the decals.  Looking good.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by gwaihir on Sunday, April 2, 2006 2:02 PM
Looks great! Those Tamiya decals tend to drive me crazy, but they look really nice on your build. I often end up with wrinkles that never seem to go away...any trouble with that? or advice to avoid it?
Anyway, looks good.
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Posted by TryintoModel on Sunday, April 2, 2006 9:24 PM
I am definately far from an expert on anything to do with modeling.  However, I found that if I just kept applying microsol, like every 5-10 minutes or between each decal I applied, I could work out the wrinkles and bubbles.  I have no idea if it is necessary to do it like that.  Maybe they settle by themselves if you leave them alone, but this technique has worked for me on Tamiya decals.  I have heard people complain because they are so thick, but after I finally get them like I want them, they look pretty good to me. 
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Posted by JoeRugby on Monday, April 3, 2006 11:02 AM

Nice progress on all of those that have posted, I should be getting back to my Hellcat later this week.  I have replaced the small aft windows on the Italeri F6F-3 with some "scratch built" ones.  I won't really know how they will turn out until the painting is done. 

I picked up the Academy kit as a back up just in case...

 

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Posted by espins1 on Monday, April 3, 2006 12:25 PM

Nice work on the decals Tryintomodel, it's starting to look like a Wildcat!  Thumbs Up [tup]

Very productive Sunday afternoon on my Tamiya 1/48 F4F-4 Wildcat.  I finished the engine, cockpit, firewall and internal landing gear area.  When I get home from work tonight I'm going to do a very light oil wash to grunge things up just a bit.  I would have posted some pics last night, but the battery ran out on my camera. Shock [:O] I'll post some pics tonight.  Smile [:)]

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Posted by PanzerWulff on Monday, April 3, 2006 12:45 PM

well my buddy came down and took some pics of my hurricane I just need to edit them (cut,crop&resize) then i will post them I still have not received my FAA decals yet so she looks a little plain but I hope you enjoy them nonetheless TTFN

BTW how do you like my new avatar lol a FLYING TIGGER LOL i still need to add a flying jacket thoughWink [;)]

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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 12:52 AM

Here is a photo of the cockpit, engine and firewall with gear assemblies.  This is before the oil wash and dry brushing.  I'll post another pic when the wash dries. 

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Posted by TryintoModel on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 8:28 AM
I should have painted those struts, or whatever they are called on the cylinders, black like you did.  It really sets them off.  Looks good!

I applied another coat of future last night over the decals.  I should be able to start the weathering tonight. 

Question:  Do you guys apply another coat of future after you weathering but before your dull coat?  Or do you just use the dull coat to seal your weathering?

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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 9:09 AM

Ok, here are the engine, firewall landing gear area and cockpit after the oil wash.  Tonight I'll do some dry brushing and make some metal showing through worn paint (but only very lightly). 

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Posted by gwaihir on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 4:14 PM

 TryintoModel wrote:

Question:  Do you guys apply another coat of future after you weathering but before your dull coat?  Or do you just use the dull coat to seal your weathering?

Personally, I do - Gloss. Decals. Gloss. Wash. Flat. Further Weathering. Flat. (Honestly lots of time I am too lazy to do the final gloss to seal in pastels and such - some eventually rubs off...Stupid me)

 

Scott - Progress / wash looks good.

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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 5:02 PM

 TryintoModel wrote:
I should have painted those struts, or whatever they are called on the cylinders, black like you did.  It really sets them off.  Looks good!

Thanks TryintoModel.  I think they are chains on pullies that are used to retract the landing gear, and they look a lot like bike chains.  I couldn't find any good photos of that area so I just figured they'd looked similar to greasy bike chains.  The pullies were painted like bare metal.

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 7:09 PM

Nice work so far Scott.  Looking good.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by PanzerWulff on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 7:45 PM

Ok gang here are the first shots of my Sea Hurricane II C "Hurricat" pre touch up decals,weathering and canopy

hope you like her more to followBig Smile [:D] TTFN

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Posted by TryintoModel on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 11:20 PM
Good work, Panzerwulff!  Is that 1/72?  What kit is that?

I've started my weathering.  Just the wash for the panel lines and such.  I'll start on the chipping, exhaust stains, gun stains and such tomorrow hopefully.

Dave


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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 9:56 AM

Looking good Chris.  Don't see many Sea Hurricanes modeled.

Regards,  Rick

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