F1 Group Build

Kyle, never too late to join! And multiple builds of the same topic is allowed!

I have the SMS Fw24 and F2002 superdetail sets and it is something else...
I know the foil is included in the Tamiya kit itself. There is also a point to remember in that they have a PE set only seperate from the "superdetail kit". But best is to check out their site (http://www.scalemotorsport.com) and you can send them an email as well, they are allways very helpfull. Have used some of their PE in past and it was allways good products.

Hello all new to the boards, I happened upon here doing research for the F2001 model I am planning on starting. I realize i'm too late for the group build, (and that the model is taken) but all the work done so far looks excellent.

Frostygirl-I read further up that you have the sms superdetail set for the f2001, i'm contemplating purchasing it and was wondering if you could tell me a little more of what's in it besides the pe parts/extra decals/ and carbon fiber overlays.

Does the sms kit come with any of these items:

racing seat belts and hardware for them
wiring for engine compartment
gold foil for rear suspension
temperature sensor decals for rear suspension
rear led light assembly

Thanks for any help you can give me and good luck to everyone with their Formula cars.

-Kyle

Il Leaone, glad to hear the move is over and done with and you're getting to you models again! Jeez, you won't believe the amount of topics I've read on the correct Marlboro red (non-Ferrari) through the years and the pain guys have gone through to accomplish it. One tin of Humbrol worked fine for me! Maybe I'm just not finicky enough. Pity you're only starting the 1:43 now, I could've done with some words of wisdom! But then, I still have a lot to do on mine...

We have a funny ad on the sport channel for Monaco GP as well. It show pics of a guy with Schumi, texted below as "Tomasz with Michael" and then likewise with Fernando and Kimi. The screen then blacks out with the words "Everybody wants the Pole..." ! (and of course followed by broadcast times)

So for Monaco GP weekend - good news... It looks like local weather is coming in. So no excuses to go outside. Which, of course, is bad for spraying.

  So much going on.  Hey Frosty, any cool photos from the NY Auto Show?  The local Ferrari place just had a F430 in and let me tell ya, that is way cool to sit in one of those.  But I digress...

SeaBee, you have chosen wisely.  The flou orange you are talking about is exactly the right color for the Marlboro McLarens.  They are very day-glo and in fact day-glo orange with a gloss coat works really well on those cars.  Make sure you put down a good white base before applying the color. 

Lots of Ferrari photos posted, very cool!   Meanwhile at Casa Il Leone a.k.a. Paragon West, the workbench has been returned to operational status.   Not fully as I need to finish the hook-ups for the paint booth, but at least there is work being done.  Deciding I couldn't leave well enough alone, and seeing all the 1/43 work being done here, I raided the closet.  Hey, build 1 McLaren might as well build 2 McLarens.  Same paint right?  So joining the S27 MP 4/19B on the bench is a Tameo MP 4/15.  I may regret this, but not right now.  I took a close look at the primer on the 4/19 and decided it was not up to par.  So it is getting another coat after I finishing the rub down.  The body on the 4/15 is put together but needs to fill here and there to look decent.  Look for pictures as soon as I can figure out this photo bucket thing again.  Time to get dinner on then it is off to the work bench! 

Monaco baby!  (I love the Villeneuve Intel Commercial)

Welcome Sir Drake! All I can say is good going! Nice work on that foil on the rear suspension - they allways give me a headache...

R25's tears has been smoothed out and received 2nd layer of primer yesterday eve. Thanks goodness for fine sanding paper! And I seem to have stumbled onto something of a holy grail - without decrypting the Da Vinci code! Picked up a tin of fluo orange by Humbrol at a glance of the name, deciding it's worth the risk. And lo and behold, a very nice match it seems for the Marlboro red decals on the MP4/4. Just thought I'd mention it. Can't remember the number off the top of my head - 309? Will update progress.

Ok, here some pictures. Frightening, those close-ups. Not I see all the pieces that need touch-up...

Front view:


Engine:


brakes and suspensions:



See the nasty red chassis parts? I forgot to put them in place when I was putting the wheel suspension and brakes together . Wwll, it was kind of difficult to do it afterwards - like one of these 3d-puzzles... When I had them in, I realizd that the holes in the engine block where to small for the struts, so I had to get them out again, sand them, and do it all over again. Now they just need some repainting.

wheel suspension


All comments welcome,

SD.

Good golly, there's a F1 group build going on and I didn't even know about until half way through with my Tamiya F2000. My first F1 kit, well, actually my first car kit... I'll try to post some pictures soon to make you laugh .

SD

Hey Frosty, nice to see you getting some time on the Ferrari again! Lookin' good! haha, you're getting like me - getting excuses (detail set...) to build another one!

Pictures, sadly no... Tears, sadly yes! Not real tears, though. Just one word lacking... patience! Argh! Rebuilt as much of the R25's main body as I could figure would need the light blue, filled and smoothed to my heart's content. This afternoon I took it out for the first layer of primer. And just had... to... get some more into the side air intakes... Of course I took it too close to the body and caused some running primer! Which will of course lead to me spending much more time on sanding before layer #2 goes down!


Just alongside, much harder to see, the MP4/4 is also coming along - with it's fair share of hickups! Had to build up a part of the nose due to the cast apparently not having gone all that well. The agent was prepared to order me a new body, but I was sort-of in the mood for the challenge. (Much more so than waiting for a new body!) That came out okay, body is painted in white. Rear wing ready for decals. Just have to test whether the Fluo red I got matches the decals, because I saw a small part of the body needs to be painted red, no decal supplied. Right in the middle of the decal... So I may still go the paint-it-all route if there's a major missmatch. Wheels also mostly done.

Very nice, F1 season has been good!

Il Leone wrote:

Frosty, you are one brave modeler for taking on that Heller kit.  If I did that I would be ready for serious therapy after getting it done.  They are really nasty little devils.  Good work!!!

 

Il Leone:

thanx 4 the kind words, the heller kit was actually quite fun 2 build, there wasn't much 2 itbut i added a few little details & the tire logo decals went on perfectly, i was afraid they would silver on me....

here r some WIP pix of the ferrari F1 kit, i'm going to build it OOB this time & save the SMS detail set 4 when i have more time (like after graduation, LOL )

i mite even get this finished before the F1 season ends, too !!!

anyone else got any pix yet ?

 

have a good weekend, all !

 

frosty

 

Answer to (2) above:

And it's go-go-GO... every 2nd weekend (virtually) in F1 season...
Very closely followed by numerous Murray-isms...

On the R25 - I am at the point of starting to break it all up. *sigh* Did the final assembly and first primer coats on both the front and rear wings. When all is apart, I have two places I have to improve - the front suspension needs larger holes to fit better (even more so after painting!) and the area on which the rear wing "rests" need to be squared up a bit. But to do the latter (decently) I need to take it all apart anyways.

So the real fun is about to begin!

"DANGER TO MANIFOLD" on the laptop screen in the Fast and the Furious... 

First:  Frosty, you are one brave modeler for taking on that Heller kit.  If I did that I would be ready for serious therapy after getting it done.  They are really nasty little devils.  Good work!!!

I remember reading in F1 Racing that "Grand Prix" was due out in September.  Doesn't really matter when they bring out, as long as they do it!    

  Ok folks, pop quiz.... what is your favorite line from the movie? 
Question 2  All time favorite racing movie line...  come on, be creative! 

To answer my own: 
1)  Tie:   Yamura:  Mr. Aron, if giving you the job would have meant firing one of the other dirvers, would you have still taken it?  (Silly question to ask a RACER)
Sarti:  I'm STILL the best!

2)  "What's behind me is not important!"  The Gumball Rally

Back to the workbench, we now return to your regular programming.

Grand Prix is coming out on DVD in july here's a link.

http://www.putgrandprixondvd.com/

Interesting tip about the epoxy, will try it out next time... Yes, I say next time, because I went ahead and did it. Completely fearless after what turned out to be a bit of root canal "surgery"... Went very much the same route as yourself, first doing the base, the the two top wings. For glue I used Testors' metal glue in a green tube. Works okay for an initial glue, you have some time to play before it sets. Let the Bottom set overnight, then did the two top ones, "sliding" them in. Let that settle for a day. For good measure added some CA glue after all was set properly. Came out much better than I thought it would! Decided beforehand to got the assemble before painting route... Maybe that will turn around and bite me, but we can double-cross that bridge when we get there.

I know what you're going through with the kits taunting you...

SeaBee:
The WCT kits from Tameo are awesome, but a little overwhelming.  I did the WCT87 Williams FW-11B, something like 5 parts to build up 1 shock.    I really can't say there is a negative on them, the fit of the parts is excellent and the end result is unreal.  The only problem I had, and I have heard this from others, is the seat sits to low and you need to grind some off the bottom to get the pan to fit to the chassis. 

For your rear wing phobia.  Others may have a better solution, but here is mine.  First, there should be a main element that sits on top of the transmission.  Glue that on first and MAKE SURE IT IS LEVEL!  Yea, I missed that step once.  Okay, at that point glue on an endplate, then the other endplate.  Now carefully, glue on the top two elements.  You may need to gently flex the endplates to get these on, but at least it will be straight when you have them done.  Here is another trick.  After final painting and clear coating, I use 5 minute epoxy as my glue.  Several reasons, but for our purposes this is why I do this.  Mix the epoxy until it is starting to set up, just starting to get gummy.  Then apply the glue to the part, say and endplate, and attach.  Notice there will be a little slop where the parts meet. Wait until the glue has started to get firm, but not hard!  Now carefully take your scribe or other soft tipped tool and peel away the excess glue.  You should be left with a really nice joint with no glue showing.  Careful pulling away to much glue that you don't pull it all away.  Because you clear coated the parts, you should get no glue marks on the paint from where you did this. 

On the Marlboro orange.  During the days when McLaren ran the Marlboro colors, it was very orange.  Most people I know use Day-glo orange as their color and I think it is pretty close to what I remember the cars looked like then.  The Ferrari Marlboro is a strange beast indeed.  I have heard the factory actually uses a two part process, but I think the paint is actually a single stage color.  Tamiya has an ok color for the cars.  The best I have found is Finisher's Paint out of  Japan.  Get it from Rainbow 10.  This is a 2 step process, red over orange with a clear top.  The real cars have a very orange look in bright light at the right angle.  On TV they look bright red, but they really have an orange tint to them that is impossible to replicate.  I've done 6 of the Schumacher Ferraris and I still don't have it right. 

On my front the workbench is being resurrected and with luck should be operational within another few weeks.  I hope so, I'm really sick of looking at all my kits and not being able to build something!

Having great fun on that, yes! In retrospect I feel 1:43rd F1's is actually a must-do before attempting a multimedia 1:20! Improves the skills and the eyes a lot - once you've gotten used to the 1:43rd building, the rest just feels so much easier!
Having said that, I am "stuck" on trying to gather the confidence to assemble the rear wing of the R25. It's been cleaned up, individual parts have been test-fitted. Now I must just go ahead and do it. Won't happen tonight, though - have a visit I am dreading at the dentist this afternoon and will most likely be feeling very sorry for myself tonight!

Yes thats the one I built (the wct88) and its a great kit. The Marlboro red has definately changed over time. No flourescent and more red now. 

It is Tameo's WCT88, I think. Used to be part of their "World Championship" series, but has since been replaced with a super-detailed kit, number WCTN88. I got hold of the basic (old) one - got it to try out 1:43rd. I think it's the Japan race version.

Which kit is the MP4/4? I have most of the early McLarens and built many years ago.

Aaah Easter weekend... Nice time for some momentum on the R25! Completed most of the appendages, left one side's front barge board off due to problems with the front suspension fit, which I've identified and will rectify in the final build. Front wing built up - which went easy against all expectation... Will see when I try to fit it whether it was just the beginning of a new struggle! After that, rear wing build-up and addition (do we really want to do that?) and then mirrors and wheels. Then take it all apart and start over, this time with permanent glue and painting added...

Also started fiddling with a 1:43 (also my first) MP4/4. Sheesh - it's soooo small! The length of the thing is about the width of the R25!

OMG what should I do....

All is still ok with the car, but I can't find the charger for my batteries anymore, that means no progress pics> I won't be able to get a new charger for at least a week. Should I continue building (without taking progress pics) or should I wait till I can get a new charger ???

Another "need to know" item I've ordered one of the "new" Tamiya releases, it's the Raybrig NSX 2005, looks real cool, but I'll try to find someone who can make decals to do the Epson GT racer and even more, I'll get myself a truck and trailer kit to make the complete racing team trailer
wich should look something like this :



What you see on the picture is actually a papermodel you can download for free

................  typographical error..........  =P 

my mind was drifting among those tamiya bikes and F1 cars at work debating on which one to build next.  as of right now i hate myself for building up such a big stash.  it is kinda sad that Tamiya stopped doing 1/12 large scale beasts after the MP4/6 and FW14.  i want a 312T4 but it's so hard to find one aside from paying a huge premium on ebay.

archangel571 wrote:

oops, my bad I forgot you are working on the 1/12 P34.  lousy email notifications...

Actually it's the 1/20 P34 I'm working on, so were closer at your first attempt

Dan:
I've got a double action Paasche that seems to only like the jars designed for it.  I get real pick-up problems with anything else.  Unfortunately, most of the local places only stock Badger, Aztek or something of the single action ilk. 

The 70s/80s Tamiya kits were meant for small motors and I think some kits came with them then.  The most obvious of these is the Porsche 956-962 kits.  Clearly a slot car body and tray.  If you look at some of the early 1/12 from Tamiya, also pretty obvious they were meant for motors, the Lotus 72 comes to mind. 

BTW, nice work!

DanCooper wrote:

I'm not sure, but given some strange "things" on the bottomplate of the car, I have the impression that this orriginally was a "motorized" kit although I had no idea those little F1-kits ever existed motorized, but there clearely is a "box" that has the exact proportions to hold a AA or AAA batterie...

wow, details in 1/24.  that looks cool.  i have two 1/24 gunze kits that are motorized.  those "reinforced" suspension on the revell kits actually look alike. hmm... time to go home and take a look at the F-2003GA and see if it's the same case.

EDITED:

oops, my bad I forgot you are working on the 1/12 P34.  lousy email notifications... 

I did Melbourne in 2004.  That town knows how to put on a show!  What an awesome event.  If the USGP was half as good as Australia it would be awesome.  Four days of cars on track, the V8 series, plane flyovers, you name it.  The classic collection is pretty impressive as well and great to see them get track time as well.  And in the evening there was always something going on and it was usually free admission.  If you want to get spoiled at a race, Melbourne would be high on the list.  I hear tell Montreal is much the same way, haven't made that one yet.

Well, here's my first progress pic in this build...


I'm not sure, but given some strange "things" on the bottomplate of the car, I have the impression that this orriginally was a "motorized" kit although I had no idea those little F1-kits ever existed motorized, but there clearely is a "box" that has the exact proportions to hold a AA or AAA batterie...

Hi fellas,

Sorry for neglecting this GB a bit lately. Been too busy. I'm not even close to starting my build, but hopefully I should be able to do something sooner or later.

BTW, I went to the Australian F1 GP last weekend. Had a great time. Got thousands of pics too, Let me know if you want to see any. Brought home some interesting souvenirs too, Massa's car crashed right near me, so I got some chunks of carbon fibre off his car. Got some good samples of modern Ferrari red too. Good for matching the colour if I ever do a  modern ferrari build.