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Posted by mph34 on Tuesday, July 4, 2006 10:34 AM

Just got the ol' Monogram P-40B!  Man does that bring back the memories! Big Smile [:D]  First built this one back in the early 80's.  This time, I will probably get a better end result!  I also have be True Details Cockpit set, and a set of decals from AeroMaster. Smile [:)]

The start of this will work out great as I can finish up some other GBs first. Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by PanzerWulff on Friday, June 23, 2006 1:58 PM
Hey tank I forgot to tell you I will be using the Tamiya 1/48 "South Pacific" buffalo as it has the option to build the Dutch Buffalos which is the aircraft the Japanese got their hands onBig Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 23, 2006 5:49 AM
After doing some research it looks like to do Barbie III Ill need to do some work.  Since there isnt a H kit made, Ill have to use a Revell J.  I didnt realize that G's were modified C or D models (looking at a picture shouldve been a clue...note to self).  So to avoid alot of working moving the upper turret forward Ill just try to mate the AM nose cone to the J body and drill 2 holes for the extra mg's Barbie has.  Im hoping this will work and look good.  Cant wait for all this to come out in the build.
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Monday, June 19, 2006 8:33 AM
excellent. it's always good to have more members.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 19, 2006 2:50 AM

Ok, since nobody is doing 1 I guess Ill have to.  Put me in for a AM B-25, Barbie III.  Maybe if time permits Ill do a AM P-51A Mrs.Virginia as well (unless others are doing her). Let me know.

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Posted by RadMax8 on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:40 AM
Hye Tanky, I just got my Verlinden detail sets today... WHY CAN'T WE START NOW?? lol, these pieces are pretty cool! how's everyone else holding up?
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Posted by Dave23 on Sunday, June 4, 2006 3:31 PM
Sign me up for a Nakajima KI-27 Type 97 "Nate" (Hasegawa 1:48). And with that, I think I'm pretty well booked until spring Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Sunday, June 4, 2006 1:41 PM
excellent. welcome aboard.
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Posted by jwb on Sunday, June 4, 2006 6:24 AM
Mind if I join? I have an Accurate Minis P-51A sitting in a box looking awful lonesome in it's unbuilt state?

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Posted by RadMax8 on Monday, May 29, 2006 12:06 AM
Glad you like it, guys! Tanky, I have everything that I need ordered now! My P-51A will be complete with a Verlinden engine and the Verlinden update set. I may include a Squadron vacuform canopy. as well!
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Posted by arki30 on Sunday, May 28, 2006 8:17 PM
The badge looks good to me.

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, May 28, 2006 9:48 AM

The Badge is fine with me.  Nice work.

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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Sunday, May 28, 2006 5:56 AM
badge looks great.

We'll go with it unless anyone has another suggestion, in which case we could vote on which one.

But as of now, we're going with this one.
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Posted by RadMax8 on Saturday, May 27, 2006 11:40 PM
Hello, guys, not to take away from the wonderful reseach done by our friends, but I have finished the badge.

Do you guys like it??? Let me know, and Tanky can make the final ruling!
P.S. Tanky, here's the details of my build... Accurate Miniatures 1/48th P-51A with Verlinden updateSmile [:)]

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Posted by cj95 on Thursday, May 25, 2006 11:14 PM

Torakaze,

 

Whoa!   Talk about some really top-notch research.  I am much oblidged sir.  Looks like I have a lot of serious reading to do before I figure out what i want to do.

It will most likely be some sort of Commonwealth armor, with me leaning towards a Grant or Lee....but i'll let you know.

Again....thanks a zillion.

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Posted by arki30 on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:05 PM

First torakaze, Sign - Welcome [#welcome] to the forum.  Second, great research from someone only 3 posts into the game!  Well done Thumbs Up [tup]!

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:35 PM
 torakaze wrote:
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/unitedkingdom/infantry/valentine.html
^^^This page, with pictures, about the Valentine says the 3rd New Zealand Division used some Valentines at Arakan in Burma.


Well it's looking like that's bad data. Doesn't seem like any New Zealand Tankers made it to Arakan. the 3rd NZ Div were consolidated into other NZ forces after getting bogged down in the Oceanic islands around the Solomans.

Now it's bugging me. If there were commonwealth Valentines at Arakan... Who the heck were manning them.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:19 PM
Here's a link to a recount of some men that were part of the 255th Independent Tank Brigade in Burma.
http://www.burmastar.org.uk/hannah.htm

Covers their training on Lees and Grants and then their usage of Shermans in theater.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:47 PM
CJ,

The Brits used M3 Lee's and M3 Grant's and Valentine tanks in Burma, near the Imphal front. And the British India Army used shermans in Burma.

Check out the three pictures of Burma M3's in this message thread over at Sandman and Overlord's Small Scale AFV Forums:

M3 Lee Mk.1 - Burma
http://www.smallscaleafvforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=639

Cool thing is the sections of late type Valentine tracks attached to the hulls to provide protection against shaped charges and RPGs.

There's a little blurb in George Forty's old M4 Sherman book:

    "The British XIVth Army in Burma had both Lees and Grants in small
    numbers, continuing to use them against the Japanese, long after the
    tank had officially been declared obsolete (April 1944)."


On that same page, pg 35, there's a small picture of 3 Grants crossing a stream on the way to the Imphal front.

There's also another Burma pic in the George Forty book, on page 79, here's the caption:

    "A Sherman belonging to A Squadron of the Deccan Horse in Burma
    (Author's collection)."


    ^^^neat thing about that one is the Indian crew are all wearing red turbans. And there's a badly faked gunbarrel on the lower right corner of the hull front, to make it look more like a Lee/Grant tank.

On page 43 of the Osprey - New Vanguard book Sherman Medium Tank 1942-45 by Steve Zaloga, there's a photo of a column of Chinese manned M4A4's, here's the caption:

    "A column of M4A4 Shermans of the Chinese 1st Provisional Tank Group in
    action in Burma in 1944. This unit was trained and raised with American
    support, and later fought in the Civil War against the Communists. Tiger
   faces were popular decoration on the turrets of there vehicles."


On page 53 of Motorbook International's M4 Sherman book by Michael Green, there's a picture of a row of M4A4 shermans in Burma, here's the caption:

    "Because the M4A4 Sherman was longer than other sherman tank models,
    Chrysler was forced to install longer tracks and lengthen the spaces between
    the vehicle's bogie wheels. This particular M4A4 Sherman is in Burma in
    February, 1945. Operated by an American crew, the vehicle is being used
    to support Chinese troops fighting the Japanese Army."


In Squadron/Signal's M3 Lee/Grant in Action book by Jim Mesko there's this text about M3's in Burma, from page 41:

    "In Burma, the British and Indian troops of the Fourteenth Army were
    finally able to go on the offensive in early 1944 after nearly two years
   of see-saw battles with the Japanese. A number of armored units were
   equipped with mostly Lees, with the commander's cupola removed and
   these proved instrumental in helping the troops route out the entrenched
  Japanese defenders. One special modification made to the M3's was the
  addition of a wire screen over the engine deck to defeat magnetic mines.
  In the dense jungle conditions, close infantry support was a necessity to
  forestall suicide attacks against the buttoned up tanks, and the various
  infantry units fought ferociously to protect the tanks from the equally
  fanatical Japanese. Tank commanders were especially vulnerable to
  infantry and sniper fire. During the battle for Mungshigum Ridge, every
  officer of B Squadron, 3rd Carabiniers was lost to enemy fire while moving
  up the ridge. During the campaign, the M3 also set a record for the highest
  operation of armored vehicles when Lees of C Squadron, 3rd Carabiniers
  captured the 9,000 foot high summit of Kennedy Peak during the capture
  of Tiddim. This record lasted until Indian tankers fought at elevations of
  12,000 feet years later against Pakistan."
   "When the Burma campaign ended with the capture of Rangoon and
  subsequent mopping up operations in the Spring of 1945, the M3's had
  proved to be instrumental in helping the Commonwealth troops root out
  the dug in enemy troops. They accounted for thousands of Japanese troops
  and knocked out hundreds of bunkers and gun emplacements. Without
  their support, the advance would have been far more costly, if even possible,
  given the conditions, enemy strength and disposition."

   In the M3 Lee/Grant in Action book, on page 49, the top right pic is a M3 Lee in Burma.

There's also a colored markings plate in the center of the book, of:

     "COSSACK was a Lee of C Squadron 150th Regiment, Royal Armoured Corps
     at Mandalay, Burma, during March of 1945."



 The Wikipedia links to look at:

 - Battle of Imphal:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Imphal
 - Battle of Kohima:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kohima
 - Burma Campaign:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma_Campaign#The_Allies

 Also, it seems the Australians used Matilda II's. And even made a amphibious landing with them in Malaysia of somewhere there abouts.

Just found this page with pics about Australian armor:

http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/aus/Australian.htm
^^^says the Aussies used the Matilda II in New Guinea and Borneo, and Lee/Grants in Burma. Some of their Matilda II's were flamethrower tanks! FROG Mk. I's it calls them. Cool pics of them. It says the 8th Australian Infantry Division used Marmon-Herrington MK III Armored Cars during the Malayan campaign. cool.
 
This page, with pictures, about the Valentine says the 3rd New Zealand Division used some Valentines at Arakan in Burma.

http://www.wwiivehicles.com/unitedkingdom/infantry/valentine.html

Really cool, I just found this link with an excerpt about Duplex-Drive Shermans almost getting used in an amphibious invasion by brits:

Secret Training on DD (Swimming) Tanks. Preparations to retake Singapore
extracted from TELL THEM OF US: The Forgotten Army – Burma by John Leyin
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/52/a1311652.shtml

^^^Could still model a DD Sherman in Madras after the cancelation of Operation Zipper. Would be a an unusual subject. Is pretty funny when he describes his sherman DD sliding sidewise down the camber of a harbor road, and almost crashing into a bullock cart.
 
   


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Posted by RadMax8 on Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:50 AM
P.S. Tanky don't forget to add me to the list. I'll start work hopefully today on the badge. This build should be pretty exciting!
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:38 AM
A badge would be great!! Thanks for the offer. It's great that you won the kit too.
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Posted by RadMax8 on Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:36 AM
Hey Tanky, just wanted to let you know.... I won my P-51A on Ebay yesterday. I wasn't even thinking about this GB when I did it, I just wanted my shipping to be more reasonable for another kit I bought. But, since I got it for $8, I figure I can enter it here and spend money on aftermarket goodiesBig Smile [:D]. Also if you guys want, I can make a badge, I've got this neat animation program and a good idea for a badge. If not, that's ok
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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:27 PM
Tanky - thanks!  I'll sure stop by and post pics here now and then... also as I find more about my great uncles career in the S Pacific/ CBI I'll be sure to post it for historical reference's sake... If anyone is interested in some of the bombing units action in the CBI I've come across a few sites with some unit histories and such on it.
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Posted by arki30 on Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:55 PM
Put me down with a Hasegawa P-40N, 1/48th.  Maybe, just maybe I'll also do a Ki-27 Nate.

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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Saturday, May 13, 2006 9:22 PM
Tom, feel free to post pics and such of it here anyway. I'd be happy to see them anyhow.

Besides, since most of my GB's seem to run without badges anyway, you'd be just like a member. Smile [:)]
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, May 13, 2006 7:31 PM

Tanky, put me down for a Hasegawa 1/48 P-40K.  Thanks.

Rick

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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, May 13, 2006 6:26 PM

Cj95 - I'm looking for references but Soviet T-34's are the only true armor I have come on yet (Russian intervention on the behalf of the Chinese).. the rest I have seen is all jeeps and deuce and a half's etc...  I'll see if I can find something more later...  I could almost bet M4's are going to be in tere as the Chinese were aided with American armor as well... plus the Commonwealth and US troops int he area had to have had some too.

Here's the link on the Russian support:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Campaigns_in_Chinese_War

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:56 PM

Curses Tanky!!!  I was all excited till I saw the "cannot be combined with other GB's" clause... "may your tablecloth develop the stains of 100 spilled wine glasses!!!"  haha kidding... I was all excited as I found the perfect model for this but I already commited it to the Memorial Day GB because my uncle flew in it...

I'll just come in now and again and check it out...

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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Friday, May 12, 2006 7:30 PM
I'm not sure what armor units. to be honest, I don't know too much about this theater. This GB will be a good way for me to learn.
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Posted by arki30 on Friday, May 12, 2006 6:24 PM
With those dates, I'd probably be in on this.  I have no idea what to build yet.

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