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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 3, 2006 7:44 AM

There is one thing I cant stress enough.  What ever method you choose, try and establish the proper hull shape and dimensions.  There are templates that come supplied with the kit which you will hold up to the hull to determine that shape.  The only problem is that the templates are a little "off".  Especially the two templates used to establish the hull length and placement of the remaining templates along each station line. 

Place the templates over the plans after you cut them out and make any adjustments to them before using them.  You will probably have to change the reference marks that show the positions of each hull station.  These templates and plans have been printed and reprinted.  They no longer match each other. 

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Posted by Donnie on Saturday, June 3, 2006 10:03 AM
Hi Dan !
Welcome to the Sultana Group Build (SGB). If you haven't already, feel free to grab the Sultana Icon and put that in your signature like the rest of us to identify your association with the SGB

again, welcome aboard

Donnie

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Posted by Russ39 on Saturday, June 3, 2006 2:25 PM

Donnie:

That rigging line from Micromark is just a simple nylon and it comes in two sizes and two colors. At the Sultana's scale it would be okay for seizing, but I do not think I would use it for much else.

Model Expo sells some nice looking cotton/poly mixes in a wider variety of sizes. Bluejacket Shipcrafters sells some very nice linen line, but it would have to be colored as it comes in white. I have used their linen and it really works well for me.

Russ

 

 

 

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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, June 3, 2006 8:28 PM

Here's a link to the MicroMark line:  http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=82238

They claim the stuff is cotton with a "glace finish" - whatever that means.  I haven't seen it, but in the photos it certainly looks like cotton rather than nylon.  The two diameters are given as .008" and .010".  On the Sultana kit scale of 1/64, that works out to a little less than and a little over 1/2" in diameter, respectively.  Newcomers:  bear in mind that textbooks and rigging diagrams usually describe rope in terms of its circumference, with is pi x the diameter.  (For all practical purposes, the circumference is three times the diameter.)  So a line that's 1/2" in diameter would be described as about "inch-and-a-half line."  The standard size of ratlines, for instance, was about an inch.  So that Micromark material would be a little heavy for ratlines - but not much.  For most standing and running rigging it would be too fine.

I agree with Russ about the Model Expo/Model Shipways "cotton-poly mix."  I like the color, the texture, and the consistency of it.  I do wonder how resistant it is to changes in humidity; I always get nervous about anything with cotton in it in that regard.  But I did most of the riggin of my little Phantom model with that material, and after three years or thereabouts it's looking fine.

The Bluejacket linen is some of the best linen line I've encountered - and on a large scale like 1/64, linen is good stuff to work with.  If I were building that Sultana kit, though,I'd probably order one spool of each size of the Model Shipways stuff.  You can never have too many different sizes of line.

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Posted by Seamac on Sunday, June 4, 2006 1:29 PM

Hello everyone,

Like all of you I have been watching Chuck's postings of the Sultana - great job!  As far as planking, any thoughts on using veneer (.002') for hull and decking?  I plan on trying it for my build.  Very thin, easy to work with (bending, shaping, etc.) and comes in a variety of woods (pear, boxwood, mahogany, oak, etc.) as well as cuts/styles (straight, quarter sawn, curly, others).  As I see it, for those interested in leaving the wood in its natural state you can choose which type of veneer that wood most closely match what you wanted your finished model to resemble - as it would have looked as built all the way to a much modified "fancy" finish in unique patterns and woods.  One drawback might be that it is too thin and could warp when using a water based casein (wood, yellow, Elmer's, ...) glues - I will try to experiment with it later today and tomorrow, let you know what I come up with.  Also, "planks" will have to be cut from the sheets, eith with a knife or saw.  If anyone out there has tried it already, please let me know.

Another link to an online build of the Sultana is:

   http://www.ship-modelers-assn.org/webbuilding/webmain.htm 

This build is not complete, but very detailed as far as it goes.  I don't think there are going to be any more "lessons" as none have been posted in quite some time.

With all the posts so far, this looks to be a great project!

Seamac
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Posted by Donnie on Sunday, June 4, 2006 3:43 PM
Hi Seamac

I personally do not have any experience with Veneers, however I think that this certainly would be an alternative solution. I found this link http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?Offerings_ID=2216&TabSelect=Details
I am not endorsing any company or supplier. I just googled 'verneer' and this is a link that I came up with. I am familiar with Rockler as I do a little woodworking as well.

I would say go for it. The size that they have specified is 1/64" thickiness (also that comes to .0156")

Let me say as a side note that it is a good thing that everyone is taking pride and ownership of how they want their Sultana to be build, painted and so forth. I think now we have about 4 methods mentioned here (enough choices to keep my head spinning for a while Wink [;)] )

In about 5 days the official start date will begin. All I can say is that I am so glad that there are alot of resources here to draw from -

The only thing I have done is study and look over the plans. So far I just stare at the hull and say to myself plank or no plank, leave the builwarks or cut them off, good greif so many decisions (fun decisions)

By the way can someone address what is going on page 10 FIG 13 (Bulwarks Option) ? It seems that they are wanting you (as an option) to build up the Bulwarks with the planking laying down flat.

Donnie


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Posted by Russ39 on Sunday, June 4, 2006 4:21 PM

Donnie:

The bulwarks option they mention involves removing the bulwark that the hull has and then cutting or bending wood to the same profile as the bulwarks outline and then gluing them onto the deck one on top of the other until the desired height of the bulwarks is achieved. This is an alternative to thinning the bulwarks thickness with a chisel. You can cut the planks so they have that desired thickness already.

If you want to bend thin strips, say 1/16" square around that deck outline to form the bulwarks, the key would be to make sure they do not break during the bending process. One good way to do this is create a bending jig that would match the outline of the deck you want to create. You can saw out that curve in a piece of thick basswood with a hand saw or a scroll saw. Soak the strips in hot water and clamp them around that jig and leave them to dry overnight. Soaking them will lessen the possibility of them cracking or breaking. For clamping, I use several of those mini sliding bar clamps you can get at the home improvement store. When the strips come out the next day, they should hold that general curve and they will be much easier to glue down.

Russ

 

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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, June 4, 2006 5:55 PM

Rockler is a fine company and gives excellent mail order service.  For a really wide assortment of veneers, though, the best source in the U.S. probably is Constantine's (formerly Constantine's of the Bronx, now Constantine's of Ft. Lauderdale).  Here's the website:  www.constantines.com.

Maple and birch veneers work well for the sorts of things you folks have been discussing.  My all-time favorite, though, is holly.  It has an extremely fine grain (with a little fine sanding it literally squeaks when you rub your finger across it), is extremely hard (generally a virtue in modeling woods - up to a point), and is almost white in color.  A little bit of stain makes the grain pop out in a way that makes you think you're literally looking at a piece of miniature wood.  Holly is tough to find (most of my modest stock of it came from a tree that got chopped down in a friend's yard), but Constantine's sells it at quite reasonable prices - in carving slabs as well as veneer.  It's wonderful stuff.

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Posted by Seamac on Sunday, June 4, 2006 7:08 PM

Hi Russ,

Your sugestion is, in my opinion, the best way to bend in general.  There are other ways which will work and I've outlined some of them here.  There are probably other methods, in some cases the wood can be so flexible and the bending so slight, none of them are needed.  On the other hand, depending on the wood, warping or shrinking can happen.  But, for almost all application, wetting and clamping is the accepted norm.

soaking in water - you do not need to leave the strips in water too long - depending on the type of wood and its thickness anywhere from a minute to a few minutes should be enough.  The idea is not to soak the wood all the way through, just have it absorb enough to prevent splitting.  Down side it the wood must dry to take on the permanent bend.

steam - putting the planks into a tube and passing steam through is one method; personally I don't see any advantage over wetting, in fact this method takes more time, can be dangerous and is more parts/labor intensive.  Remebering that we are working with thin stock this method  might be better on thicker wood than we will be using.

combination heat and steam - is accomplished by first wetting the wood then using a tool that is heated to bend the plank.  The bend takes it shape almost immediately as the heat dries out the wood imparting a permanent bend.  The tool is available from numerous modeling supply stores that specialise in wood kitsboth on the Net and, if you're lcuky enough, locally.

sliting the back side of the plank to be bent - this method involves making a series of slices, fairly close together, part way through the wood on the back side of the plank which releaves some of the stresses when bent.  There are a couple of tools on the market that do this job, but it can also be done with a straight edge and knife - be careful not to make the slits more than 1/2 way through the wood or your bend, instead of being smooth, could turn into a series of flats along the arc.

As for the wood itself, most commericial strip wood used in model building is clear, grade "A" - the grain is tight, runs the length of the board and is fairly straight.  The grain, and type of wood, determines how successful your bend will be.  Not always the case, but if you find it hard to see the grain pattern it probably is a good piece to use.

Another thought - although not commonly used today, strathmore board, a form of heavy paper in various thicknesses, can be successfully used.  Resembling post card stock it is easy to work with and can be sanded, although carefully.  Its chief advantage is no soaking - or any preparation - is needed as is is as pliable as paper.  Downside is it must be sealed prior to painting and doesn't take stain like wood as it has no grain.  But remember, at the scale we're working with in this build no grain would be visible on the model.   This paper used to be included with many older models, often being printed on for replicating fine details (doorways, windows - on the older Model Shipways tug it was the wrapper for the wheelhouse).  Available in art and craft stores.

By way of explanation - I have been a model railroader for most of my life and am just getting into ship modeling now.  I have lurked at alot of ship modeling sites over the past year and most of the above information comes from those sites and my RR modeling (strathmore board) - it is presented here for what its worth to the group.

OK, back to the modeling room (basement) to try the veneer thing - let the group know what I've come up with in a couple of days.  Another source of veneer is ebay -  the usual disclaimers apply and you take your chances when purchasing .  I have no interests here except that I know it is a source.

Seamac
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 4, 2006 8:11 PM

Seamac,

Thanks for the link on the other online build.  Nice to have lots of resources.

With respect to cutting veneer into strips for planking, when I was at my local hobby shop last weekend I was put onto a little rig called a balsa stripper.  It is for cutting strips of a sizes that would be ideal for this build.  Low tech and inxpensive but the hobby shop owner said he has one and uses it quite often.  I picked one up but have not tried it yet.

Here is is link with a description and picture.

http://www.mindspring.com/~thayer5/ffpages/tools/balsastrip/masterstrip.html

Bruce

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 5, 2006 8:03 AM

Bruce

  I was finally able to open the file that Chuck posted.  If you go with the 1/32 on the outside it looks like a buildup of the 1/16 planking on the inside will give it the strength.  With the glue set and then sanding the the bulwarks to 1/16 I imagine it would be strong enough, especially since this model doesnt require any cutting into the bulwarks, such as gunports.

Another thought I had was a that a long sanding block with lets say 60 grit may be able to get the hull dimensions decreased the 1/32 inch above the wale if you dont want to carve it.  A long sanding block would keep the sanding even.

 

Dan

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, June 5, 2006 9:36 AM
Hi everyone, I'm back from a vacation and trying to catch up at work, and on my model bench.

Chuck, thank you very much for your time and efforts on the praticum.  Your tips and pictures are worth a lot to us.

I use veneer quit a bit.  My advice is first, do not use laminated or composite veneer.  This stuff is cheap grade and doesn't form or bend.  It will crack and break apart over time.

Like Mr. Tilley, I use hardwood veneer. I make most of mine on my table saw so I can cut it to my desired thickness.  I like using oak, walnut, apple, hedge, pine, maple, and cedar for accents over boxwood.  I use contact cement or thin when attaching veneer.  Water based adhesives will casue bow and twist in thin veneer.

Still havn't ordered my Sultana, trying to finish my Endeavor which has been sitting on my vise for the past two years.  Just a few finishing touches and I can get it ready to take off the vise and make room for the Sultana.

Scott

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 5, 2006 8:15 PM

Dan,

In addition to a sanding block, I have some cabinet scrapers.  I haven't used them enough to develop any real expertise with them but I think that they may be really useful in doing something like taking off a consistant amount of wood all around.  I may start off taking off 1/32 above the wales and end up with 1/16th as a result of some unbridled enthusiasm.  Time will tell!

Bruce

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 5, 2006 9:02 PM
A little off the subject, but how do I get the Sultana Group sign into my signature line?
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Posted by Donnie on Monday, June 5, 2006 9:49 PM
ok, I take this one !

You need to open up your "update your profile" link and scroll down close to the end of your profile settings and you will see "signatures"

In that setting, you will have to put this link
[.IMG.]http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d174/****/****/sultanagb65.png[./IMG.]

If you notice that there is a (dot) that is before the IMG and a (dot) after the IMG - REMOVE the (dot)
If I were to remove the (dot), then the FORUM would be posting the image. This is so far the only way I can think of in helping.

Of course, you need something like http://photobucket.com to host your images.

So you will have:
 [open BRACKET IMG BRACKET close](your URL) [open BRACKET then FORWARD SLASH IMG BRACKET close]

Hope this helps

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Posted by Donnie on Monday, June 5, 2006 9:55 PM

See if this helps any better - I just created an image in my paint program. Click on the graphic to make it larger. Again, put this link in your Profiles and Signatures section. You presently have the SGB in your Avatar section  :-)



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Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 11:37 AM

The SGB is only 3 days away and will officially start this Saturday. I must confess that I still not sure how I want to approach my build, but I have some ideas at hand.  I know that everyone has different building pace that they work at and I don't think there is any particular need to address any schedule here. I do think however, there are different experience levels, kitbashing, OOTB (out of the box builders) and the list goes on.  I need to build a cradle as per instructions and I still need to get a block of wood to attach to underside, but this will follow shortly.

I do have some wishes though. I wish that as many as can, post pictures of your progress so that we can all share and learn on this. For those that are new at wood, we can benefit from those that have more talent in this area.

Even those that are new at wood, please post pictures as well at your progress. I want all to share and have enjoyment.

Again, I hate to put schedules on things becuase I don't want anyone to feel pressured that they for various reasons not be able to keep up. I notice that in some other GB's people seem to be attaching schedules. But, I am a participant in this build and not in control even though I have mentioned a few guidelines like the preference of not haveing a contest and other things of interested that was posted way early on.

If everyone here wants a schedule for the sake of keeping themselves on track - that is fine with me too. This could be a positive thing in the fact that it kinda helps stay focused on the build and not wander off - but I am not inclined to wander off - I have pretty much cleared off my bench of all projects and I do not possess the talent of being able to work on multiple projects at the same time - this is something that I just can't do - but, that is me - I envy those that can work on multiple things at the same time - "how do you do it ?  Wink [;)]

Like I said, I am open to a plan of action and schedules if that is the concensus here. If I had to cast my vote, it really does not matter to me, but it would kinda be good if we were to lets say break down the construction of the Sultana into phases or sections. Hull, Masting, Rigging

The hull into several sub-catagories. #1shaping the hull,  #2 planking or OOTB (out of the box),  #3 staining or painting,  #4 decking and deck fixtures. These mentioned components #1 thru #4 could span out to like 2 months. (#1 and #2 for first month and then #3 and #4 for second month ------Again, this is just ideas. Nothing written in stone. I guess I am choosing this time line only in thinking about my personal building time alotments, ect.

(the rest is too far out for me to think about what would be next, but it is obvious about the masting, yards and rigging into the other phases)

Please don't throw me overboard, but you know, some people like organization, some people do not like scedules but just diving in.

My intention here is to drive ideas, that is all.

It is almost time to start !Make a Toast [#toast]

Donnie

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Posted by scottrc on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 2:02 PM
I'm one of those who has about four projects going on at the same time, which is part due to my attention deficite disorder.

I can start my Sultana in July.  It is on backorder right now.  My project for Nationals should be about done as well and I will have room on my bench.. My mother in law has been wanting me to build her a ship for her new fireplace mantel and the Sultana should make a nice model for her.  It would also be nice for me to give it to her for Christmas, say 2008?

Geez, why do I do this to myself.  At present, I'm building a new master bedroom that needs to be done by the end of July, and I just was awared another huge contract at work that should keep me gainfully employed for the next three months without a day off.

Anyway, this should be fun and relaxing.

Scott

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Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 2:15 PM
 scottrc wrote:
I can start my Sultana in July.  It is on backorder right now.

Yikes ! That is not good.  Sounds like you do have alot going on though

Donnie


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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 4:02 PM
Hello everyone,

Mind if I jump in? I am totally new to ship modelling. I just made use of the 30% discount modelexpo.com were offering, so I bought the Sultana kit, paint kit and the basic tools I need for the build. I've been studying the PDF of the instruction manual for about 2 months now.

I got my boxes of stuff 2 days ago, although I can't start building for 1-2 weeks, since I need to clear some space to put a desk in our guest bedroom to be my modelling space. :)

I'd love to follow along with everyone and share tips, and learn from those of you who are not newbies like me!

thanks!
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Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 4:39 PM
Well,
welcome aboard Fippy to the Sultana Group Build (SGB). I am delighted that you got your kit and almost ready to go. The offcial start date is this Saturday so be quick and clear off a space !
You have come to the right place and the right time - good timing on your part. I hope that all the combined experience here will help not only you but will help me as well.

Again, Welcome !

Donnie

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Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 4:51 PM
    Updated list -June 10th Roll Call:  A List of SGB'ers

  1. schoonerbumm *
  2. Donnie *
  3. BCS *
  4. cthulhu77 *
  5. radguylvn
  6. scottrc *
  7. Seamac *
  8. Dan Giossi *
  9. Fippy *
  10. jgonzales ?
  11. radguylvn ?
The members that have the (*) are the ones that are basically ready to go or are in steady preparations. I have not heard from jgonzales or radguylvn
If I have missed someone, please forgive me and let me know so that I can add your name to the list.
Donnie

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  3. Russ39

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 7:08 PM

Hello folks,

I am just trying to figure out how to post an image here.  I think I have it figured out.  I have been working on the rails towards the stern. I am almost ready to start building the masts and start rigging.  I will keep you posted and want you know that I have pictures of almost every step along the way and can post them if you need to see them.  I had to reduce them for the PDF guide but can enlarge them here if you need more details.   This might be too big though.

Thank you so much for allowing me to participate. 

Chuck

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 7:33 PM

This might be a good start.  Here is a picture of the original draft for the Sultana.  Look at the Headrails and stem.  It is different than the way it is presented on the kit plans.  Also, the sizes of the hatches dont match.  Specifically the 3 smaller hatches.  They are all the same width on the origanal draft but not so on the Model Shipways plans.  This might be splitting hairs but I dont know how accurate some of you want to build her.  I sized the image to fit nicely on an 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper but set you printer to landscape.  It is an enlargement so it is a little blurry but will do when you are comparing it to the kit plans.  There is a beautiful image of this plan in Harold Hahn's "The colonial Schooner" which you can take out of the library.  The book is out of print and I cant scan from it because the image spans two pages and falls into the gutter of the book.  You can see every last detail of the draft.

Chuck

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 10:31 PM

Fippy, welcome aboard.

Chuck, thanks for the drawing.  The latest photo is really something.  You are certainly setting the bar high for all of us.  I have found the photos in your building guide incredibly helpful and any you care to share would certainly be welcomed by me.

Donnie, my thoughts are I don't have any problem with setting up some sort of schedule as a goal to keep things moving along but I hope that it would not be thought of as anything else.  No need to take any of the fun out of this by putting any kind of pressure, even if it is self imposed, to get things done according to a time frame.  There is enough of that going around in the rest of life. 

Tomorrow evening I hope to have some time to plan out what I need to get lines up to be able to start off when this weekend comes.  The next problem will be to find the time on Saturday to get things rolling! Can't wait to start and to see what everyone else is doing. 

Bruce

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Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 10:53 PM
Bruce,
I am very excited about this project and you are correct. I certainly do not want to discourage anyone from having fun and getting excited about the build.

Chuck has really done a fantastic job and you are correct in that he has really elevated the bar and has given us a fine example indeed !

This afternoon, I was getting my wooden block made so that I can have something to screw the hull to in order to put the hull in my vise. I picked up some basswood at Hobby Lobby and plan to try and make that cradle too.

Donnie

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 8, 2006 2:08 AM

I was looking online for images of the rebuilt Sultana and found a site that has quite a few very large pictures of the Sultana http://ship25bsa.org/images/03081923_HMS_SULTANA/HMS_SULTANA.html

 

Dan

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Posted by Donnie on Thursday, June 8, 2006 1:48 PM
Dan,
that is excellent material ! Wow!! [wow]

Thanks
Donnie

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Posted by Donnie on Friday, June 9, 2006 10:24 PM
Tomorrow June 10th, Saturday, starts the SGB ! 
Let the building begin.

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:43 AM
I like to sometimes plan ahead and select my deck colors so that I can get that settled in my mind and I believe that I have done so. I believe that I have matched as close and I can get to the decking based on the photos I have seen of the ship. This is my recommendations (my opinion only) at least this is what I plan to do. These are the two colors that come to the closest match, but I am only going to sect one:

Polly Scale Railroad Colors: Aged Concrete F414320

Model Masters : SAND 33531

I have some wooden sticks that I have tested and I personally am going with the
Model Masters SAND 33531. It is just a tad bit brighter than the Aged Concrete.

As someone said "Ignore the names and numbers" just go with what is best - a color is a color.

Now I can't find any planking locally for the hull. I noticed that my favorite online store is out of stock, But I did manage to build in about 2 hours a "wood stripping tool". I can now take a sheet of basswood or whatever and adjust my jig and stip the wood width to what ever I want. 




If anyone wants a parts list to this thing, they are welcome. I scratched built this in my head and drew it out on paper. When I got home from work, I made it in about 2 hours.  A #11 blade would not be as big.

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

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