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Posted by Russ39 on Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:47 AM

Donnie:

Do I understand you to say that you are going to paint your deck planking? If so, why? Just curious.

Russ

 

 

 

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Posted by Donnie on Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:19 AM
Well,
I call myself trying to duplicate an actual deck that has been treated, painted, stained or whatever on the real ship. I was just going by some images that I saw on a previous link. After studying those pictures of the deck, it "seems" as if the color of the deck is a very light whiteish cream color.
It seems the 'deck' topic has been covered on the "ship forum"  here more than I can dream of by experts far beyond my abilities, but just for the sake of curiosity and that is all for entertainment, I looked at the cutty sark home page and the USS Constitution home page just to probe around. It looks as if the same "color" of this washed out faded grayish, whitish, cream color is used on both of those ships. Now again based on some images that I have seen of the Sultana and looking at those very closely, I was able to 'match' what I saw on those images and came up with that Model Master "Sand #33531" color.
I certainly have entertained all avenues of what to do with the deck and this is a hopeful scenario that I am coming up with - but my mind can change based on a good discussion about it.
Most likely, I will paint a darker coat (aged Concrete) and then wash with the Sand color and lightly buff the deck to give more lifelike appearance than just a simple coat of paint.
But, before I do that , I will probably "mock up" a small section to see how it goes before I commit to anything,

Donnie

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:19 AM

Donnie,

That tool looks great, can you send me the parts list d_giossi@yahoo.com  .  Thanks Dan.

About painting the deck,  I was looking at the photo's and noticed the same thing, I wil try some different techniques to get the washed look without painting just so that there is other options for those who don't wisht to paint the deck.  I recently was on a cruise ship and noticed that the decking was the same washed whitish look for the decks.  This was a relatively new ship too. 

 

 

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Posted by Donnie on Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:46 AM
Dan,
I will try my best to get to you some documentation on that Wood Sheet Cutter. I will go back and take measurements and all to see if I can explain it with parts and directions. Just give me a while and I will email it to you. There is a possibility that I can make that drawing and do a PDF for you and anybody else that may want that. FYI, I used a table saw and a Drill press. The materials are made out of Popular. I am not a wood materials expert. I do like working with Popular becuase you can "mill" it with Fortsner bits for a nice clean look. Popular keeps it shape. Any hardwood would work too. As a matter of fact, I think that you can go to the local hobby store and pick up a piece of basswood plyboard. I could have done that, but I just used what I had around the house. I do think the basswood plyboard would really be better for all occasions though due to the fact that not everyone has a table saw or whatever.
Until I find out more info, you can use 1/4 " (.25") or 7mm thick basswood plyboard, ect.  The guides that you see on top are 3/8" square stock.

Donnie
I will do my best to get the drawing done later today for you and I will also post it here for those interested.

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Posted by Donnie on Saturday, June 10, 2006 11:01 AM
I have the build notes and parts layout on PDF of the Wood Stripper for those that are interested. It is mostly pictorial instructions with some notes.

Donnie
Just PM me with your email if you want to. I hate to take up a forum reply with it becuase not everyone might be interested.


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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, June 10, 2006 11:03 AM

Like Russ, I was initially a little taken aback when Donnie started talking about painting deck planks.  After a little reflection, though, I concluded that it might not be such a bad idea - if done carefully.

Give some thought to how the deck of a sailing ship was built.  The planks probably were pine or fir (there were plenty of exceptions), and did indeed turn a dull, greyish color after they'd been stomped upon and exposed to the weather for a while.  (Beware of restored ships in this regard; they frequently have distinctly non-authentic finishes applied to them for the sake of durability.)  Most basswood has a color (it does vary somewhat) that looks quite a bit like miniaturized, freshly-cut pine.  (My own preference for deck planking is holly, but it's hard to find.)  But baswood  probably is too light and pristine-looking to represent a deck that's been in service for a while.  If you apply paint to it like you'd paint a plastic model, you'll cover up the "wood-like" appearance that, presumably, is one reason you're making the model out of wood in the first place.  But if you dilute the paint and use it like a stain, to highlight the grain, that probably will work pretty well.

I believe Model Shipways kits come with scribed basswood sheet as a decking material.  That stuff isn't bad.  You could paint/stain it to taste, then (when it's thoroughly dry) run a pencil or something along the scribed lines to represent the caulking.  (Don't, for heaven's sake, use the sort of "wash" technique you'd use to highlight countersunk grooves on a plastic kit.  The wash will soak into the wood, and you'll have a mess on your hands.)  If, however, you're going to sheath the hull and bulwarks in individual planks (as I gather some participants in this project intend to do), you may want to think about doing the decks the same way.  The difference in appearance between the scribed sheets and the individual planks is likely to be pretty obvious - and hokey.  Laying a deck from individual planks isn't particularly difficult or, in the case of a small model like this, time-consuming.

For what it's worth, here's how I normally do it.  1 - cut the planks to length.  (In the case of the Sultana, this is easy.  In a bigger ship you need to be concerned about the locations of butt joints in the deck, but the Sultana is so small that you can assume all the planks of the quarterdeck, for example, ran its full length.)  2 - run a fairly hard pencil around all four edges of each plank.  (The graphite from the pencil will represent the caulking.)  3 - lay the planks.  Hold them down with Franklin Titebond or Elmer's Carpenter's Glue (my recommendation for virtually all wood-to-wood joints).  4 - sand and/or scrape the surface of the deck smooth.  (The manufacturers of those basswood strips do a remarkably precise job, but there will be some slight irregularities in the surface of  your deck.  Here's where the pencil trick shows its worth.  You can sand or scrape that deck from now till doomsday, and the fine, dark grey lines between the planks will still be there.)  5 - apply the stain.  My personal preference is the "Driftwood" colored wood stain from Olympic Paints, but I imagine diluted acrylic hobby paint will work.  Just don't slather it on so thickly that it soaks through the planks and softens up the glue underneath.  6 - when the deck is dry, give it a thin coat of diluted white shellac.  A can of shellac (places like Lowe's and Home Depot carry it) is an excellent investment.  While you're at it, pick up a quart of denatured alcohol to thin it.  Shellac is wonderful stuff.  It's a good, fast-drying gloss finish for ornamental woodwork, and when diluted (about 50%, I'd suggest) and applied to a stain deck it's virtually invisible - but will do a great job of protecting the deck from anything you accidentally spill or smear on it during the rest of the construction job. 

That method yields a dull, greyish-cream deck with visible wood grain and realistically thin, dark grey seams between the planks.  I don't suggest that this is the only "right" way to make a deck, but I know it works and gives results that, to my eye at least, are quite satisfactory.

On the subject of wood species - don't let the topic intimidate you.  Basswood, the preferred wood of American kit manufacturers, is nice stuff; thoroughly adequate for the vast majority of jobs in a model like this.  Poplar (no U in the middle of it, incidentally) is a good material for stuff that's going to be painted.  It's considerably harder than basswood, holds a nice, sharp edge, and resists denting.  Its close grain accepts paint well; cabinetmakers use it a lot.  Its biggest drawback is its color, which frequently has a distinctly greenish cast and changes radically over time when exposed to the light.  If you get into wood ship modeling deeply you'll eventually want to experiment with some of the more exotic woods - especially maple, cherry, holly, boxwood, and pearwood.  But for a 1/64-scale model of the Sultana you'll probably find that basswood will do just about anything you want it to do.

Too long as usual.  Hope that helps a little.  Good luck.

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Posted by Donnie on Saturday, June 10, 2006 11:09 AM
Certainly it does Mr. Tilley, thank you very much !

Donnie

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Posted by Russ39 on Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:47 PM

John:

If they are using basswood and a stain, do you think a pre stain conditioner would be in order? I am concerned about the softness of the wood and the stain blotching. I think they should definitely try some on a scrap piece to make sure. It may be that the surface might need to evened out before applying the stain. Of course, it might not be necessary, but I thought I would mention this possibility. I have had good luck using Minwax pre stain conditioner on soft woods.

Russ

 

 

 

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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:42 PM

I can't imagine that pre-stain conditioner would do any harm, but I've never found it necessary - simply because the pieces of wood in question are so small.  The "blotching" phenomenon is of most concern to furniture makers, who are concerned about getting even coats of stain on big surfaces like table tops.

If stain is applied heavily to a deck made up of individual basswood planks, the initial result is likely to be a bit uneven.  Basswood is remarkably consistent stuff, but the grain does vary a little from piece to piece; some planks are likely to absorb the stain a little more than others.  To an extent, that's desireable; you don't want the deck to look absolutely consistent.  I find, though, that it's a good idea to go over the whole deck once more with extremely fine sandpaper after the stain has dried.  That has two effects:  if the staining process has raised the grain at all (as it probably has), the sanding will smooth it out again.  And the darker planks will look almost like the others after the surface has been sanded.

My all-time favorite deck stain was MinWax "Driftwood," but it doesn't seem to be available any more (at least here in eastern North Carolina).  Olympic's "Driftwood" seems a tiny bit darker to my eye, but its working characteristics seem to be just about identical.

Earlier in this thread somebody mentioned cabinet scrapers.  I agree:  they're fine, useful tools for ship modeling - and, compared to what most hobby tools cost these days, they're cheap!  Lee Valley Tools (www.leevalley.com) sells a bargain-priced set of "miniature" cabinet scrapers ( http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=32672&cat=1,310,41069&ap=1) that I find especially useful for jobs like smoothing decks.  Just be sure to follow the included instructions about sharpening and burnishing them; the "hook" burnished on the edge of a scraper is what makes it work. (If you don't want to shell out the cash for a purpose-made burnisher, you can get the same result with a little practice and an old drill bit.)

One other thought regarding decks.  Before you start laying the deck planking - whether in the form of individual planks or scribed sheets - take a careful look at the machine-carved hull and figure out whether the manufacturer has done a satisfactory job with the deck camber.  The deck of a sailing ship (and, for that matter, the vast majority of steamships until recent years) is supposed to arch gently upward at the centerline.  The typical amount of rise at the centerline during most of the sailing ship period was 1/4" for every foot of the ship's maximum beam.  That ratio isn't affected by scale.  If your model has a maximum beam of 2", the deck at the centerline probably should be about 1/24" (i.e., a little less than 1/16") higher at the centerline than at the waterway.  The difference probably appears on the plans; the line labeled "underside of deck at side" will be a little lower than the "underside of deck at centerline."  That 1/24" may not seem significant, but it will in fact be noticeable on the finished model.  A perfectly flat deck, unless you're building a model of an aircraft carrier, just doesn't look right.  In the olde dayes Model Shipways made a conscientious effort to incorporate deck camber into its machine-carved hulls; I have no idea whether the new kits have it or not.

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Posted by Russ39 on Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:17 PM

John:

As for cabinet scrapers for a deck, I always use a single edged razor blade. They are large enough to cover most of the deck's width in one pass and they are sharp. They are also very cheap. they can be got from the local drug store for mere pennies and a pack of then will last a long time.

Russ

 

 

 

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Posted by thepiv on Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:46 PM

Donnie,

I was recommended to you by Chris McCormack, I am interested in learning how to build wood ships. What do i need to do to get started

 

steve pivec

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Posted by Donnie on Saturday, June 10, 2006 10:46 PM
Shock [:O]
Well, I am extremely flattered by the recommendation, but I assure you that there are plenty of veterans here that have many years of not only building from kits, but also scratchbuilding and kitbashing. The Kitbashing is taking a kit and modifying it. Again, I really appreciate the compliment on you asking me how to get started in ship building so I will do my best and I do wish for those to jump in.

I will say first that this is a good place to start is on this forum even though there are other forums that discuss ship building as well. Here you will find mostly plastic, but wood ships are here as well. As a matter of fact, some of us are giving our first hand at building a wooden ship model called the Sultana.

I chose the Sultana becuase it is a Solid Hull , but an experienced modeler can do many modifications on this kit, however, at the same time a less experienced modeler or someone new to this hobby can build the kit right out of the box.

If you have never attemped building a Wooden Ship Model , then my first question is this: What kind of tools do you have? Do you have any tools at all?

To get started as you say, I can list some basic tools that will help you get started:
  • Hobby Knife and #11 blades
  • Set of needle files
  • some clamps as simple as miniture clothes pins, rubber bands, ect
  • miniture drill bits
  • Tweezers
  • small scissors
  • small bench vise
  • Sandpaper
  • paint brushes (very small fine point for details)
  • Wood Glue
  • Cynoacrylate Glue (super glue)
  • Steel ruler or any measuring device or calipers
  • Magifying Glass
  • some sort of clamp to hold the Hull of the ship in place.
Most of these items can be bought at a basic hobby store and or online from many places.
The Sultana can be purchased online thru http://www.modelexpo-online.com
or from http://www.naturecoast.com
Both of these places also have tools galore. There are way too many other online hobby stores that carry tools that go way beyond the scope of this topic, but you get the idea. It doesn't stop here. SOme modelers have a huge assortment of tools that they have collected over the years, but my advice is to start out simple. This is what I did, becuase I did not know how much I would enjoy the hobby.

I don't want to overload you, but you can also arm yourself with some reading materials for reference:
  • "The Art of Rigging" by George Biddlecombe
  • "The Ship Model Builder's Assistant" by Charles G. Davis
  • "Ship Modeling Simplified" by Frank Mastini
  • "The Rigging of Ships in the days of the Spritsail topmast, 1600-1720" by R.C. Anderson
  • "American Sailing Ships, Their plans and History" by Charles G. Davis
  • "The young Sea Officer's Sheet Anchor" by Darcy Lever
  • "How to Build First-Rate Ship Models from Kits" by Ben Lankford
The ones in RED would be a good recommendation becuase they are really good at "how to" do something instead of just talking about it.(my humble opinion)
You can get both of those at Amazon.com or at a good stocked hobby store.

Ok, well that about does it for me. Now I suggest that you quickly order the Sultana and join in with us - you will learn as you go. If you scroll back a few pages, you will see someone by the name of ChuckP that has contributed a long set of wonderful instructions to go by on the Sultana. Plus you will always find the advise you need right here.

Donnie

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:25 AM

  Ok...it's been twenty four hours or so since the beginning of the gb...anyone done yet? :)  ( I did open the box yesterday and look at it for a minute...working overtime this weekend, sigh)

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:54 AM

Fortunately this is my weekend off so I was able to get some carving on the hull done.  The general shape is close but I found that from template 6 aft that the hull needs some serious shaping to get it right.   I started with a knife to get the heavy areas off and am now switching to a dremel with sanding wheels for the flatter area's.

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Posted by Donnie on Sunday, June 11, 2006 9:07 AM
AHhhh ! Greg Speaks !

Yes Sir Mr. Greg. As a matter of fact, I have decided to remove the Bulwarks, and so I did yesterday (last night)



I had a 3/8" x 3/8" square dowel that is about 12" long that i wrapped with sanding paper. By placing the sqare dowel flush up against the step(s) in the deck,  I was able to sand those areas nice and square, but also keeping in mind that "crown" on the deck. I think the Center Line of the Deck is 1/16" higher in the middle, so I had to take that into consideration.



ps
Please everyone that has never worked with wood before in this fashion. It is so easy to slip and possibly injure yourself with the knife. It is important (at least to me) to stop and take breaks while you are carving. It is very easy to get 'worked up' and carve into your hand or something. Please don't be offended by me offering my guidance in this respect, but it is much easier to order a new hull - and you can't order to new finger !  Wink [;)]


Donnie

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:22 AM

Glad to see that some sawdust is flying.  All I have got done so far is to get the templates cut out but I hope to be starting on the hull today.

Bruce

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Posted by Donnie on Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:13 PM
I guess I should have taken pictures of my work area in progress - I had wood shavings all over the place and me - covered in it ! Laugh [(-D]

BTW - thinking ahead on this project, I found some 1/64" birch that I plan to use for planking and for the deck. It is interesting that the natural color of the Birch (that I had) almost matches identical to the deck color that I am after - Humm - so maybe some natural wax or glaze coat is all that I need on this.

Donnie

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Posted by Russ39 on Sunday, June 11, 2006 2:05 PM

Donnie:

Hey, this is wooden shipmodeling. If you're not making sawdust, then chances are you're not making anything. :)

If you are looking for a clear finish for your deck, I have used both Minwax natural finish and their water based clear Polycrylic. The natural finish will darken the wood slightly, but the Polycrylic does not darken hardly at all.

Russ

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:51 PM

I too got to produce a satisfying amount of sawdust and wood chips in the back yard this afternoon removing bulkheads.  Almost done that job and then on to shaping the hull and getting the cetnre line marked on.

Bruce 

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Posted by Donnie on Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:07 PM
Good, Good !
It looks like we are off to a good start - I am still working on mine this Sunday evening and so far, I have just my center line profile that I am working on.

Be aware that the Profile template seems to be off about 1/16" in lenght. (too long about 1/16"). I think that someone made mention that due to repeatedly copying that is causing the template to be off just a bit.

Donnie

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 11, 2006 9:36 PM

Yes, The template is off.  This will also throw off the placement of each station.  You should hold these templates over the plans to check that they are correct.  Make any adjustments to the station placements as well.  You would be surprised how much difference this makes. 

Looking forward to seeing some pictures.  I was working on the jollyboat today and suspect that this will take several days to complete.  I am not even sure I will use it.  When I am finished I will ask for help deciding.  Its always best to have a second pair of eyes take a look.  Or in this case several.

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Posted by Donnie on Sunday, June 11, 2006 9:57 PM
Well, this is a technique that worked for me on aft of the ship in doing the transom. I used a small block of 3/8" sqaure at the aft keel to keep alignment in order. My left hand is stationary to hold the small block tight against the keel, then the longer 3/8" piece that has the sandpaper is going up and down motion to sand the angle. The small block is a guide so that the upper transom piece will have the correct angle to it. So far it is working out.
I used a 1/2" dowel about 2" long with sand paper wrapped around it to get that curve. I done this without carving anything on the transom piece ! the sandpaper is #100 so it is cutting thru pretty good.




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Posted by jgonzales on Monday, June 12, 2006 11:13 PM

Hello all!

Just picked up the kit today from my LHS. I've been meaning to do that for weeks, but I had to save up my allowance and lunch money Wink [;)]. The kit looks great, the parts are all there, and I'm happy to finally get started!

Jose Gonzales

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Posted by Donnie on Monday, June 12, 2006 11:18 PM
Hi Jose !
I was getting worried about where you were. I am glad that you got your kit and ready to start (just in time) Thumbs Up [tup]

Donnie

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Posted by Donnie on Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:55 PM
Well,
I haven't heard from anyone lately, so I don't know if that is a good sign or if everybody is scratching their heads !

For me, I am sanding and staring at the plans trying to decide whats next. I have only "profiled" the hull and marked the centerlines - thats it !

I made a small error and sanded just a tad too much on the transome, but that was easily repaired.  I am now on to trying to mark the other templates onto the side of the hull.

I personally have stopped myself several times with almost making several mistakes. As they say - measure twice, cut once. But with me, I am measuring 3 to 5 times and cutting. Unless someone else is different, it is so easy to make a mistake on the hull carving.

Donnie

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Posted by Seamac on Friday, June 16, 2006 12:03 PM

Hi All,

Here's an update as to where I am in the build.  I have an older kit that does not include the printed templates so I have to "lift" them off the  plans.  No big problem, I made 12 copies, cut out each profile and glued to thin wood.  But at this point I'm undecided as to what to do next, use the profile templates to shape the pre carved hull, or mark out full sided "ribs", discard the carving, and go to plank on bulkhead framing.  As this has been a very busy week I haven't had a lot of time to work on the model, so that decision will have to wait until the weekend.  If anyone has any advice/comments please feel free to post them, I would especially appreciate any comments from experienced ship modelers, but everyone should feel free to reply.  If I decide to stay with the solid hull I will also remove the bulwarks.

To the person who posted the links to the current Sultana - Thanks, they will be a big help in modeling her.  Out of curiosity, is any one modeling her as she appears today?  I'm sure the rope rails, as well as much of the other fittings that show in the photos, weren't available on the original!

On another note, in experimenting with veneer strips I think they are the solution to planking the hull without carving it down  the .002" - at this thickness it will add less than 6" scale inches to the finished model and, given that wood swells when in water, would come closer to representing the actual dimensions of the ship when in use rather than out of water for repair!  OK, that may be stretching it a little, but it justifies the added dimensions in my mind.  The pear veneer I am using is very flexible; I made a quick solid practice hull and applied the strips to see how they would fair and they comformed to multiple twisting/bending without problem.  Still, applying them is going to take longer than just carving the hull and painting.  Again, any comments would be appreciated.

OK, back to work and Good Luck to everyone in the build.

Seamac
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 16, 2006 5:15 PM
I am almost there. I have my workspace set up and tonight I plan on buying a nice birhg tlamp and magnifying lens. Regardless of whether I buy it tonight or not, I can probably start on the build tomorrow! :)

My immediate question right now is whether to cut off the bulwarks or not. I noticed that Chuck's PDF's recommend it and he rebuilds them back up out of planks. It looks really nice but a little tricker for a newbie like me.

Does anyone have any comments on carve the bulwarks into shape as per the instructions, or cut off? I was thinking of trying the carve and if it proves difficult or I slip... then cut them all off. :)

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 16, 2006 5:44 PM

Fippy,

 

You have the right idea.  Try and get the correct shape of the hull first.  After carving the hull exterior you will have a better idea how comfortable you feel carving it.  The wood is soft and takes some getting used to.  Only then should you decide if carving the bulwarks down will be tricky for you.  If that should turn out unsatisfactory then by all means lop the bulwarks off and plank the hull.  Should that happen, there have been some alternatives mentioned for carving the step into the hull a few pages back. 

My advice is go slowly and carve away from your body and hands.  If you create any gouges dont worry about it.  They can always be filled in.  Worse still, if the hull gets destroyed beyond repair, Model Shipways will send you another one.

 

Chuck

 

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Posted by Donnie on Friday, June 16, 2006 7:11 PM
I agree with Chuck, the Hull is only a few bucks in case you have to order another from ME (Model Expo). Go slowly as it is easy to carve too much before you realize it.
I hope to start carving on the hull this evening. I decided to go ahead and remove my bulwarks and I am glad that I did - it does seem to make things easier, however, everyone should feel free to express their modeling taste.
Also, marking the centerlines can be tricky too. I bought me a center ruler or a zero center ruler as jtilley pointed out in another tools post. I did not know they existed and thanks to Mr. Tilley, I now have a center ruler - very nifty item I must say.

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 17, 2006 12:42 AM

I had a few good days with not much to do as we were soaked in rain so I was able to get the hull shaped.  I did cut off the bulwarks and after a few tries was able to locate the wale in I believe to be the right place.  I will start carving the 1/16 above the wale this weekend and will hopefully be planking the hull soon.   As far as decking I went to Home Depot and found birch wood veneer strips, the kind you iron on for edging on boards.  I am going to experiment with ripping it down to 3mm widths and see how it looks as decking. 

 

Dan

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