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Posted by scottrc on Friday, June 23, 2006 2:51 PM
Donnie, you arr giving some great ideas for this GB.  Keep up the motivation.

I just got notified that my kit should arrive next Friday. However, I'll be on the road until possibly the 17th of July.  I have my computer with me so I can always stay in touch, just can't build.

Less and less time to model it seems.

Scott

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Posted by Seamac on Friday, June 23, 2006 8:41 PM

Here's another, simpler way to determine the exact centerline.  Can be done anywhere with ordinary household items, in fact you only need a pair of scissors, some paper, tape and a pencil.  This method is known as the "tick" tape and is refered to in the plans.  Take a sheet of paper and cut a 1/4" strip from it (the "tick" tape).  Tape one end to the deck, wrap the "tick" tape around the hull overlapping the other end and tape down forming a band around the ship.  Overlapping assists in squaring up the band.  Mark the outside edge of the paper where is bends down from the bulwarks (or deck, or whatever edge you're going over) and, on the ship form itself, both sides of where the "tick" falls (red line in pics). Also, mark the keel area where the tape passes - these lines will reference the tape back to the exact area it passed through.  A good idea is to mark one side of the tape, take you pick, either as port or starboard in order to place it back in its original position.  Now, take up the "tick" tape, and fold it so the edge lines line up and mark the fold - I use a felt tip marker.  This makes a very thin line that, when the tape is placed back into position from which it was removed by using the reference lines you made, will mark the exact center of the ship.  Very simple and affective.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/cmac_25/Ref5.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/cmac_25/Ref3.jpg

I hope the pictures come through - they do a better job of explaining this process than I do.

And Donnie, NICE PICS - you're having WAY too much fun! 

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Posted by Donnie on Friday, June 23, 2006 10:39 PM
Quite Awesome !
I never would have thought of that. Very well done !

Donnie

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Posted by Donnie on Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:10 AM
I need help !

I am having problems with Station #5 alignment. Can anyone out there tell me what TD= _______
It does not matter if it is in mm or inches.  I think I have a measurement of 5/32" or about 4 mm.

Something is wrong here. This is the only station that I am having problems with the Top of Deck (TD)
I wish I had more time to describe what is wrong folks, but maybe later. All I wish for is just for someone to measure what they have and fill in the blank for me. I have included a picture below if someone can tell me what TD equals to.

Much , Much Thanks !!!


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Posted by Seamac on Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:18 PM
Hi Donnie,
 
I tried to get the measurment that you wanted but, maybe because I have an older model, I not sure what you're looking for - that dimension is not referenced on my drawings that I can see (see pic).  Are you looking for the measurment from the intersection of WL 4 and the 5th bulkhead to the deck?  It might be that my drawings are different from yours - for instance, I don't have templates, just a basic drawing that I needed to copy 10 times and cut my templates from (which I am not done with yet).
 
Sory about the quality of the photo
 
Update: removed bulwarks and sanded the deck flush today.  Still working on templates, slowly, it's summertime and other things to do.  I hope to have them done before the end of the week, but we'll see.
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Posted by Donnie on Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:01 PM
Seamac,
that image that you have, well, I already have that in my drawings from the Ships kit. What I am looking for is the measurement of underside the caprail to the Top of Deck at Station #5. All the other measurements are working out fine, but this one.

Donnie

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:24 PM

Donnie,

Station 5 is exactly in line with where the volute will be positioned.   There is a small step up from the waste.  I would measure the distance to the underside of the cap rail just before the volute starts to curve around.   The measurement I have there is 6mm.  That is from the top of the deck to the underside of the cap rail.  To be safe I would calculate and use 7 or 8 mm so you have some room to adjust that hieght after you finish building the bulwarks.  It is a lot easier to sand away excess wood than add it later.

Chuck

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Posted by Seamac on Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:27 PM

Donnie,

According to my caliper, lifting that dimension from the drawings comes out as .20" or 5.1mm - does that sound right?  In fact, it's the same measurment for 4 & 3 - see pic. - I've marked in red what I think you're referring to.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:47 PM

Seamac,

That is very interesting.  You have the older plans.  They seem to differ from the plans I have.  Granted, I measured to the underside of the caprail of the volute.  I only get 6mm.  That just goes to show you.  You have to take them with a grain of salt.  I dont even have that drawing or the other one you showed on my plans. They are a newer one. I believe yours were drawn by Howard Chapelle?  It seems that the bulwarks are not as high on my plans.  The same measurment you took on my plans measures just under 4.5 mm. 

Go figure.

Chuck

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Posted by Donnie on Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:19 PM
Thank you both for your wonderful help and assistance, now I have something that I can work with !

Thanks guys !
not to offfend anyone, I think that I am going to go with the 6mm, that seems to be inline with where I am with my dimensions and sanding.  Great help !

Donnie

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Posted by Seamac on Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:51 PM

ChuckP

Yes, the drawings are from Howard Chapell, George Cambell and Dana McCalip and state "Lines as taken off at the Deptford Yard, June 1768".  Perhaps the drawings in the newer version of the kit have corrected dimensioning - or are just different.  At one point Marc Mosko of Model Expo explained about drawings for some of the kits Model Expo produced that had been modified by the printer without anyones' knowledge causing some confusion  by modelers trying to build the kits affected.  I don't believe the Sultana was one of those kits, or even if there was more than one particular ship that suffered this problem.  I can't find Mr. Mosko's posts about the drawings, and this isn't an alarmist letter, it just is one explaination of things that can change drawings.  In theory, printing by plates shouldn't much change drawings over time, but copying can.  Even paper shrinkage is an issue. But, as I said in an earlier post, if the finished model's dimension is a little larger than the drawing, the ships modeled as if afloat; if the dimension is a little smaller, then it's being modeled out of water for an overhaul!

Have fun!

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Posted by Donnie on Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:02 AM
Just a quick note that I have finally "shaped" the hull. I have not prepared it for anything else yet at this stage. The last thing I did tonight was camber the top of deck.

My next step is marking the Wales and figure out how I want to tackle the planking. I think that I am going to opt for 1/64 planking (birch) , with built up bulwarks. However, this is not been completely decided on. I still like Chucks work and was reading more of what he did tonight. I will keep things posted and show pics of my progress later.

Donnie

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 2, 2006 7:35 AM

Hello everyone, 

 

Chapter 5 is completed and Is now available for download at www.modelshipworld.com.  She is coming along nicely.  I will be making the masts and spars next and have just finished the anchors.  Please feel free to ask me any questions.

Chuck

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Posted by Donnie on Sunday, July 2, 2006 1:21 PM
Chuck,
your schooner is look very fine - you are indeed an artist and shipwright. Thank you again for your timely help and your assistance - it does not go unnoticed !!!!

Donnie

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 2, 2006 8:56 PM

Thanks Donnie,

 

I 'm having a blast.  It has been quiet here for a while.  I enjoy seeing the photos of everyones projects.  Your model looks to be coming along great as well.  It is interesting to see how folks solve problems differently while working on the same model.  How are making out?  Have you decided on how you will plank the hull Yet?

 

Chuck

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Posted by Seamac on Monday, July 3, 2006 10:08 AM

Hi Chuck,

Man, that is a beautiful job you're doing on the Sultana.  And thanks again for sharing with us - I'm looking forward to starting the masting and rigging, but that is a long way off yet. 

Not much new to report this week, I'm in the process of selling my 1" to the foot boat (I have 2, long story) to a novice sailor and spent a lot of this weekend on the water with him.  That plus the Holiday weekend only leaves me time to write this email but I did want to take the minute to let you know how much I, and I'm sure everyone on this list, appreciates your model.

By the way, now that you have the skills, will the next project be a scratchbuilt HMS Victory?  OK, kind of kidding there, but the more I think of it and look over your practicums, the more I think that isn't of the range.  Whatever it is I hope you share that with us too.

Have a Good 4th all,

Chris 

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Posted by Donnie on Monday, July 3, 2006 11:04 AM


This is what I have done so far. Sorry, I am in a hurry and couldn't afford alot of time trying to take a picture like I am suppposed to.

Anyway. This is what I did.
  • Transfered the 'wales' locations onto the Templates.
  • Transfered the wales locations on the Templates onto the hull (rough location established)
  • Eyeballed what I had and adjusted for discrepancies in wales locations for smooth transitions.
  • I took a scrap piece of 1/8" x 1/8" basswood using pins, I pinned the 1/8" square basswood to hull to use as a fence.
  • Checking again for smooth wrapping and transition along the hull.
  • The 1/8" stock was used only as a guideline "fence" along the intended location of wales.
  • Using a small "sawing" exacto blade knife, cut 1/32" deep ridge using 1/8" sq stock  as a "fence".
  • Scribed about a 1/32 or a little less "inset" along the Top of Deck "Rim" also to set up as guide.
  • Using a blunt ended exacto, removed a little excess wood (hull) "above" the wales. At this time, I did not want to get carried away with carving excess from Wales up to the Top of Deck.
  • Then I removed the 1/8" Square  fence from Hull and then started working from there to evening remove wood from wales up to the Top of Deck. I used mostly a  tiny flat file and some sand paper. I try to stay away from blades when removing wood. I found it is so easy to carve too deeply at such a tedious process as at this point.
This is how I made sure that both sides of the Wales location were the same. I am again time after time raching for my favorite tool the Digital Calipers to make my comparisons.
I took my dividers and marked 20 simple 1/2" tick marks along the EDGE of the Top of Deck. I took my Calipers and at each of the tick marks, I measured from the Top of Deck down to the edge of the wales. I then compared those values and adjusted my 1/8" Square stock on the other side for consistancy.
I know that you might think that 20 tick marks along the edge might seem alot, but in reality it really isn't. It is just enought to give a fair account of what is going on.
Now that I have this done, I wipped on the hull with clean towel and go back after while to check again for problems and make adjustments accordingly.
Like chuck said, it is better to remove and less frustrating than have to go back and use filler.
I think I was joking earlier in one post and said that I felt like my hull was at least 25% filler. But no, it isn't - just joling. As a matter of fact, alot of the filler that I used, was used prematurely and the sanding that was needed to do just about removed all the filler in the first place !

Sorry again for lack of pictures.

Donnie

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 3, 2006 12:54 PM

Donnie ,

you are well on your way.  The fun stuff starts now.  When you start to add the planking the boat will start taking on a more finished appearance.  I would recommend taking care of planking the sides of the hull first.  This way the edges of the planking on the counter can be covered up by the fashion pieces.  

I am in the middle of scratch building the frigate essex right now as well.  It has been neglected for about a year but I plan on resuming work on it after the Sultana is finished.  I havent decided if I will start over so I can create a building guide for it also. 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 3, 2006 1:24 PM
Chuck,
Your Sultana looks absolutely gorgeous! You truly are a master.
I'm back from vacation and raring to get back to my hull. I have every station except the tricky stern (9) done. I want to make sure I measure the transom correctly before I carve it. Donnie seems to have done a great job on it. I'll post photos when done. I shan't be planking my upper hull though - this being my first ever model, I don't want to bite off more than I can chew. Right now I'm using a mix of comments from this group build, Chuck's awesome PDF's and the official instructions.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 4, 2006 10:14 PM

Very nice Chuck, 

The paint set from model shipways provides green trim paint for the Sultana.  I have decided to paint my Sultana, even though I did plank it as you showed in your model.  My thought though is to paint the wale as well as all the trim the green.  My question though is does anyone know if green was a valid color then and if so would the wale of a ship for that era be painted green?

thanks. 

I have finished my hull shaping and have painted below the waterline with 4 coats of the tallow and above the waterline with the hull color from model shipways,  I love the way it looks and will try to get a picture posted.

 

Dan

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Posted by Russ39 on Tuesday, July 4, 2006 10:19 PM

Dan:

Ships of that era almost always had their wales heavily coated with tar. Although the tar of the period was a very dark brown concoction, after several applications over a period of time, this would result in an almost black color. I have never seen any mention of the color green for wales.

Russ

 

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 4, 2006 11:40 PM
Thanks,  that answers my question on the wale,  I remember reading that most of the paints were just creations of different materials to get a colored water seal,  not paint like it is today. 
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 8, 2006 5:27 PM
I've been finding the stern particularly challenging, but I think I have it almost done now. I'd appreciate comments:

Pic1
Pic2
Pic3

I don't think my transom piece is angled enough but I personally like the slight angle that I have it as. I really didn't know what to do with the rounded piece so I carved it the best I could. I haven't done the little curved counter yet. I was saving that for when I do the rudder.

Obviously it is only coursely sanded right now and I may patch it with filler in a couple of places to try to get sharp edges.

Comments from ye expertes? :)
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 8, 2006 9:18 PM

Fippy,

It's coming along fine.  If I might make a suggestion?  Photocopy the transom and tape it to your hull.  You have carved it to the point where if you do so it will give you a better idea of how the final shape will look.  You will be able to see if the counter is even and how the transom will fit.  If you like the transom straight up and down than so be it.  If after you see the taped transom in place and you dont like it, then you can simply glue some wood back on the hull and reshape it.  Either way as you progress further my guess is that you will want to keep working the stern. 

The curved "Tuck" of the hull below the counter can be shaped with some coarse sanpaper.  Just round it as best you can.   Good job and keep the photos coming.

Chuck

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 9, 2006 1:17 AM
Thanks Chuck! That's a splendid idea. I'll try that.

This afternoon I made my little cradle according to the instruction manual, ready to start carving the bulwarks. The cradle works great but it brought up an immediate question:

The verticals of my cradle (stations 2 & 7) come right up to the deck line. I wanted maximum suport for the hull so that it wouldn't roll in the cradle. However, when I come to add the wale and planksheer, my cradle is going to get in the way. I'm also figuring that the cradle (made from 1/4" ply) is going to scratch the nicely painted hull when I move onto deck furniture and rigging.

I'm thinking of moving to a different form of cradle - one that uses horizontally mounted C-clamps to push against the hull with padded tips, say 2 per side. Has anyone built such a jig or want to comment on my primitive inginuity? :)

Excuse the hurried sketch. An Artist I am not.



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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:30 AM

I'll take the liberty of offering a couple of small suggestions based on bitter experience. 

Eventually you're almost certainly going to want to fasten the model down permanently to some sort of base.  There are lots of ways to do that - pedestals, cradles, keel blocks, etc. - but all of them entail mounting some sort of fastenings (probably wood screws) in the bottom of the hull.  A permanent mounting system is especially important if you're going to put the finished model in a case - as I hope you are.

Whatever mounting method you use, the sooner you figure it out and make provision for the fastenings, the better.  If, for example, you intend to mount the model on a pair of those nice Model Shipways brass pedestals, you'll eventually have to drill a pair of holes through the keel and into the hull.  It's far, far easier to do that before you install the bulwarks, deck furniture, etc., while you can still lay the hull upside down on your workbench without damaging something.  (Obviously the best tool for the job is a drill press, but it's not essential.)  A good way to do it is to make up a couple of simple wood blocks to substitute temporarily for the pedestals themselves while the model is still under construction, and install the real pedestals at the last minute.  Then screw the model down to a conveniently-sized board or sheet of plywood.  It's not a bad idea to put a couple of additional blocks, with some sort of cloth padding on top of them, so that if you have to exert any forces that tend to twist the hull the mounting screws won't have to take all the strain.

In any case, having the hull screwed down firmly to a board will make your life a great deal easier. As you get further along with the detailing process, you don't want to have to hold the hull in your hands.  A further small sophistication is to fasten a couple of strips of wood underneath the temporary baseboard that can be clamped in your vise, to hold the model rigid on your bench.   

The idea of gluing a tracing of the transom onto the hull as a shaping guide is sound up to a point - but be careful.  (This is going to be a little tough to verbalize, but if you visualize the situation it's pretty simple.)  Remember that the side, bow, and stern views on the plans are drawn as though the shapes in question were projected onto a vertical plane.  (Occasionally a draftsman will provide an additional "expanded" view of a part like a transom, but that's highly unusual.)  The transom is not a flat, vertical piece; it's slanted, and it curves slightly outward in the center.  So the view of it from the stern (which shows what it would look like if its outline were projected onto a vertical plane) is different from what the transom would look like if it were (hypothetically) removed from the ship and flattened out.  That flattened-out shape is, in essence, what you're going to have to make when you cut a piece of wood to form the transom.  If you trace the outline of the transom from the stern view onto a piece of wood (or styrene, or cardstock, or whatever) and wrap it around the curvature of the ship's stern, your transom will be too narrow (because you didn't allow for the curvature) and too short vertically (because you didn't allow for the fact that the transom is tilted).  That "projection" phenomenon will also affect the details on the transom.  The windows won't be tall enough, and - if the draftsman who drew the plans was really careful - the difference in width between the center window and the ones on the sides will be exaggerated. 

I'm not sure how big the discrepancies are; I'd have to look at the plans to tell.  I remember when I was working on my little Revolutionary War frigate I plotted out the difference between (a) the vertical height of the transom, as taken from the scrap view in the Admiralty draft, and (b) the actual, linear distance from the top of the transom to the bottom of it, as measured on the sheer plan.  The difference was, if I remember correctly, somewhere in the neighborhood of 1/8".  On 1/128 scale, that's quite a bit. 

There are two ways to solve this problem.  The more accurate and meticulous is to make a "true-view" drawing of the transom, plotting out its dimensions from the sheer, body, and deck plans.  That isn't as difficult as it sounds, but it does require some careful drawing and a little plane geometry.  The other approach is to "eyeball it."  Take the actual measurement from the top of the transom to the bottom from the sheer plan (side view).  Take the measurement of its width from the body plan (stern view) and add, say, 1/4" to compensate for the curvature.  That's too much.  So after the transom is in place, trim the ends of it down till they look right.  (The first and second Golden Rules of woodworking:  #1 - Measure twice, cut once.  #2 - It's easier to make a piece of wood smaller than to make it bigger.)

By the way - give careful thought to the material you're going to use for the transom.  You can make it from thin sheet basswood; if the model is going to be in natural finish overall that's probably the best route.  On my Hancock,  whose stern was destined to be painted black and yellow, I eventually decided to make the entire transom assembly from sheet styrene.  It's amply flexible to wrap around the curvature of the stern, holds a nice, sharp edge, and can easily be cut to form the window openings.  (I made the windows themselves from clear styrene sheet, with the "frames" made from waterslide decal stripes.  But I was working on a scale twice as small as the Sultana's.  Remember that the window in the center of the transom is a painted dummy; real glass in that location would only serve to give outsiders a view of the rudder.  (I know of at least one other famous ship that had a fake window in her transom.  An entry in the logbook of H.M.S. Bounty  mentions that, one nasty day off Cape Horn, a sea "struck the stern and stove all to pieces between the cabbin windows, where the sham window is.")

Good luck.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 9, 2006 4:55 PM
Thanks! That all sounds like very sound advice. I like to consider these things in advance. I've always been trained to think ahead. I was planning on using the brass pedestals from Model-Expo, as well as their presentation board (whilst I can router, I'm not that accurate). It seems to me that I would be best to mount the pedestals to the hull immediately after finishing and painting the hull, keel and rudder (basically anything that requires the hull be inverted), and then mount it all permanently to the presentation board so that I'm not fighting later with trying to mount the completed model to the presentation board. I could then cover the presentation board with a thick cloth or padding to prevent damage, paint drips, etc.

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Posted by Donnie on Sunday, July 9, 2006 9:51 PM
Fippy,

I am right with you on all these things you are considering. I was wondering myself the advantage of having the 'cradle' that they suggest other than holding the ship after the hull is completed.

I have progressed to starting planking above the Wales. I used my stripper that I made and stripped the 1/32 thick planks by 3/32 wide or .100 wide which ever. This will produce about 6" wide plank to 3/16" scale or thereabouts. No one is going to argue casually looking at the model (at my house) !


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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, July 9, 2006 10:02 PM

Wrapping the baseboard in cloth till the model's finished should work all right (barring some major blow to the baseboard).  But making a temporary base out of plywood or some other wood does have some additional advantages.  For one thing, as I mentioned earlier, you can clamp it in a vise, or to the surface of your workbench, without worrying about damaging anything important.  (If you've got a Black and Decker Workmate, or something similar, that's just about ideal.)  You'll find that having the model absolutely rigid in front of you is highly advantageous. 

Another advantage to the temporary baseboard approach will become obvious when you start working on the rigging.  There will be several occasions when you'll want to tie lines off temporarily to some point outside the ship.  If you've got a temporary baseboar, you can pound a small nail or staple into it and tie off said line anywhere you want - secure in the knowledge that the tension on it won't vary when you move the ship and baseboard around.  When you're getting ready to rig the lower shrouds and stays, for instance, it's helpful to rig heavy, temporary lines from the lower mastheads to the baseboard, thereby getting the masts in exactly the positions you want them to keep.

Mounting the finished model on the "official" base isn't difficult - provided you've done everthing right.  Make sure the holes in both permanent and temporary baseboards are exactly the same distance apart.  When it comes time to take the model off the temporary baseboard, put it on a table and slide it to the edge, so one of the screw holes overhangs the table.  (Better yet, if you've got a dining room or kitchen table with a removable leaf, spread the ends apart and line the model up with the screw holes over the gap.  Or if you've got a Workmate, make use of the gap in it.)  It helps to have an assistant.  Get down under the table with a screwdriver and take out the screws.  Have the assistant hold the model still and pick it up when it comes loose.  Shove the screws up through the holes in the permanent baseboard, and have the assistant hold the model while you drive the screws back into it.  I wish I had a dollar for every time I've gone through that ritual with my Hancock model (though I admit it still makes me a little nervous).  That one has two baseboards.  One forms the base of the case where the model normally lives; the other is a piece of plywood with decorated edges, which I've used on several occasions when the model has been temporarily exhibited in a bigger case at a museum.  That second baseboard also comes in handy for taking photos.  One time I happened to have the Hancock out of its case upstairs, in a bedroom adjacent to the bathroom.  Out of sheer curiosity I filled the sink with water and gently lowered the model into it.  Much to my surprise it floated on an even keel - though a little low in the water.  That was its maiden - and only - voyage.

One other thought - when you get your brass pedestals, the last thing you should do before mounting them to the model for the last time is to polish them and give them a coat of clear, gloss lacquer.  (A good way to do it is to buy a small can at the hardware store and carefully dip the pedestals in it.)  Otherwise they'll turn black in a few months.

Good luck.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Sunday, July 9, 2006 10:09 PM
Ok,
all can laugh at this one, but it works for me. I ran my plank under hot water for about 15 seconds, and slowly bent the wood a little at a time, and a little more hot water for about 10 seconds enough then to wrap around this small can.  After about 30 minutes or so I remove the wood strip and apply to boat.
The reason that it looks that way is that I form the arch to cup around the bow of ship.

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