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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 2, 2004 8:19 PM
Gentlemen,

Opinions required.

I intend to paint my Tiger starting with an undercoat of dark metaic polycarbonate paint = "Pactra". I have used this for years as an undercoat on 12" vinyl figures. Over the top I will continue with Tamiya and weathering with oils. The reason I use the polycarbonate is that is more resistant to the solvent when rubbing off further layers to reveal the metal shine underneath = great effect for high wear areas where paint has bee "rubbed off". Also, you can scrape off the upper coats top reveal the metal paint underneath = chips. MY QUESTION = does anybody know of any reason why I cant use polycarbonate paints on a styrene model such as the TIGER??

SECOND QUESTION = what is the rule regarding mixing use of enamel and acrylics. I have been getting alot of mixed responses here in Sydney from various art stores and model shops. My impetus for asking is the sheer cost of this kit. I want to get it correct. I understood that: Acrylics (Tamiya, Gunze, Games Workshop, Pactra) can go over well dried enamels but NOT the other way around. HOWEVER, what about using oils and low odour thinner as a wash?? I realise that water based acrylics are hopeless as a wash due to the polar nature of water molecules beading while non polar solvent based paints do flow so much better.


Any opinion would be welcomed.

Thankyou.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 3, 2004 2:53 PM
sgslorta
I have used enemail matt varnish over my Tamiya and Games-Workshop acrylics. That worked out fine. Just make sure its all dry.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 7:40 PM
*sigh*

Well, it begins to get cold, and a give from a friend in Auz finally got me working on my modelling stuff again.

He sent me a Verlinden Panzerschrek unit, and the only part I had difficulty with was the sights. It calls for you to place small PE 'sight' pieces in the sight-frames attached to the launch tube, and first time out, I mucked one up.

Then I remembered that the styrene solvent glue I have dissolves CA... I dropped the mis-glued pieces in the solvent bottle, and about 10 minutes later, fished them out, wiped 'em off and tried again. Got it close enough this time. All I have left is the rear cage on the exhaust vent and paint.

The only mods I made were boring the tube ends out so that it looks less like a rod and more like a proper tube. I may rebuild the box as well... after my Aber Tiger box shows and I get some ammo box experience.

Time to resume Aber assembly, now that my Pershing will soon be in the mail to me... (Kitty-Killer, here I come!)

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  • From: USA, GA
Posted by erush on Saturday, October 9, 2004 11:20 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Wlad

Abermeister Erush,

Seriously cool, fantastic job! Are you going to mess anything up? Please...?


Wlad, do you mean on purpose, or accidentally??? [:0]

Got a little more done on the top of the turret y'all. Here're the pics...

Here's the stowage bin, didn't have the rivits finished here though...


Fume vent cover...




Here's the bolt on the muzzle brake...


and the hatch...




Now all I have left to do on the Aber set is the smoke dischargers and that'll be it for the Aber!!!!!!!! Tongue [:P]Big Smile [:D]

Hi, I'm Eric and I'm a Modelholic too. I think I have PE poisioning.     "Friendly fire...isn't"
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:54 PM
Erush:

Great pics... I want to tackle my hatches, but want to wait to see if i can get some of that solder-paste...

One odd thing I see... you have sight-wires on ~all~ the cupola slits... not just the front one. Personal choice or honest error?


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  • From: London, UK
Posted by Wlad on Monday, October 11, 2004 4:24 AM
WW, I think the multiple sighting wires are a deliberate error - for me!

QUOTE: Originally posted by Wlad

"Abermeister Erush,
Seriously cool, fantastic job! Are you going to mess anything up? Please...?"


QUOTE: Originally posted by Erush
"Wlad, do you mean on purpose, or accidentally???"

Thanks Abermeister Erush!

Nice job!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 11, 2004 7:45 AM
What is "solder paste"? Does that make the aber kit easier??
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 11, 2004 8:44 PM
sgslorta:

Someone else mentioned Carr's Solder Paste, it melts at a much lower temp, can be melted with the cheapie butane torches that take the lighter refills, and is MUCH easier than usual solder and even CA. Cleans up easily too.

I'm still waiting to hear if they can get it imported again, as the new import/transport regulations have caught it in a nasty spot. I'm not even sure I could be mailed any in a small parcel...

If anyone knows of a US supplier that ~can~ get it across the border, ~please~ let me know?

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:12 AM
One of our recent Prime Minister's said in Parliament that Australia was "the arse end of the planet'", so I wonder if I might be able to get this contraband here in some dodgy China Town outlet.

Will try.

.............also,

Dirk's tank pieces??? Where do you get them from? Are they any better than some of the other metal detail pieces you can get from these guys?
http://www.rcpanzer-shop.de/shop_en/csc_articles.php?VID=4OtkBIbQJILkxgzO&saSearch[category]=Fahrzeug-Zubeh%F6r
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:06 AM
Well...

I've talked to Willy, and there seems to be ~NO~ interest on Dirk's part to sell anything more.

I'd recommend www.RCPanzer-Shop.de/shop_en/ as you noted, and Markus horn is very good about sending parts.

The new guys are www.axels-modellbau-shop.de/eng/Index2.htm. They are the store that advertised the KT grilles up on eBay (associated with Schumo-Kits). Much of Axel's stuff is also available in the US through www.BackyardArmor.com.

For those of you what wanted the Aber ammo sets, Jadar Hobby in Poland has the best price at $19.72 USD plus shipping (about $3.00 to the US)

If anyone from North America is ordering from Markus, let me know, I may wish to 'share' the shipping costs (want an MG34 and maybe other bits)

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:37 AM
Hi All,

I'm in the process of building a 1/16 Tiger I also. For the Aber set, i found an easy way (for me) to solder. I use a regular solder gun with the thinnest soldering wire. The trick is to scrub off the tip of the gun till bare copper show thru and use plenty of resin "acid" prep. I use a big metal file lying on my desk, i just scrub the tip against the file a few time. For these Aber parts, all you need to do is to heat the solder and spread it where you need. With a clean tip, this will happen almost instantaneously.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 14, 2004 6:50 AM
Gentlemen,

Check out this site for wing nuts in 1/16th

http://silicon-movie.de/shop/scripts/show.php3?id=624874b58dbef4c2700e9292804dd380&lan=en&show=Accessories%20Scratchbuild%201%2F16&anz_max=10&no_cache=7986240a3afa79e6157bb5109bafc070
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Posted by erush on Friday, October 15, 2004 8:33 PM
Got the first side of the smoke dischargers finished. Sorry the pics aren't clearer but it was hard to hold them and get the light on them. Here they are...







Yes WW, I did realize I'd had a brain fart on the sight wires but hadn't taken them off yet when I took those pics.

One more side to go on the dischargers. Big Smile [:D]

Hi, I'm Eric and I'm a Modelholic too. I think I have PE poisioning.     "Friendly fire...isn't"
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 17, 2004 10:01 PM
Detailed Static Tracks?

Yeppers, S&T (A division of Verlinden Productions) has put out a set thats meant for high-quality static Tiger displays, and even has the missing holes in the guide horns. It snaps together, will droop properly, and even has spare links after you assemble both track-sets.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5928014579

Note, these are ~early~ Tiger 1 links, not the late style ones.

I've dealt with the seller before, no problems at all.

Figures...

Well, I got my Dragon #1609 Normandy Ace Tanker (i.e. Wittman) and I have to say its as good as Tamiya's, if perhaps better. The headset is cast in more pieces, and includes some PE for it, though you have to supply the cabling for it. There is an optional hand, so you could have Wittman holding the SMG or perhaps even the flare pistol instead of the headset as show. It also includes a black plastic base... parts bin...

Well worth the $14 US shipped from HK. Now to do up my 1/35 one in the matching poses to the 1/16... the tasks never end...

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  • From: S.C. Beach
Posted by roowalker on Friday, October 22, 2004 5:02 PM
Question, folks, how goes your dealings with BYA ? I've e-mailed
them a couple of times re. product information & haven't received
any reply...a problem here or are they just kind of intermittent?
Thanks,
Roowalker
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 22, 2004 5:43 PM
BYA is pretty reliable. The "in-stock" indicator works well for me when ordering. I bought a few things from them recently and got them reasonably fast.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 23, 2004 12:20 AM
I just recieved a package from BYA here in Australia with no problems. It took two weeks to get here. I though at first I did think the emails were going no where. So, I will be happy to do business with them again.

I shouldn't worry.

Have also sourced stuff from Axels in Germany = EXCELLENT service!!!!!
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  • From: USA, GA
Posted by erush on Saturday, October 23, 2004 5:38 PM
I just placed an order with BYA 4 weeks ago. One item showed a 2 week back order, the rest in stock. I emailed 2 weeks ago to check on the status and haven't recieved a reply yet. I'm wondering about them myself but I guess it'll get here from what y'all are saying. It would be nice if their customer support was a little better.
Hi, I'm Eric and I'm a Modelholic too. I think I have PE poisioning.     "Friendly fire...isn't"
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Posted by roowalker on Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:42 AM
Thanx for the input,y'all...
Couple of questions in lieu of BYA's reply:
Anyone know of another source for "Elite" metal track links?
Do the " Elite" links for the KT feature enclosed area for
the pins or are they cast open like Tamiyas?
I'm getting psyched for a resto-rebuild of my production KT model
& I'll need something decent for spares on the turret sides as
these are VERY prominent.
Many Thanks for the help,
Roowalker

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:59 PM
BYA's tracks:

As reported elsewhere, the 1/16 BYA tracks are made by Kenny Kong. They are pinned like Tamiyas, with heads on the pins for easy removal.

It is recommended to CA all the pins ~except~one~ in place, and then mark that lone pin-head with paint, so that opening the track later is easy. To do this you just pull the pin out a bit, put a bit of CA where the head meets the shaft, and then push the pin back into place.

I've ordered the Pershing cupola and ~two~ of the Pershing turret detail sets direct from Axel-Modellbau, and I'll report on their quality when they arrive. Payment by PayPal was easy, though expect a 4% charge for use (beats bank transfer charges!)

If all goes well, I'll be ordering more parts, perhaps the tapered antennas and a few other bits (like the T1 nose-piece/pin-guard) Lets hope they pick up where Dirk left us hanging, eh?

(wrestling with a T-23 turret ...)

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Posted by roowalker on Monday, October 25, 2004 6:36 PM
Thanks for the info,WW. BTW,do you have an e-mail address for Kenny?
The one I found on a search doesn't seem to work.
Roowalker
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:42 AM
WOW!!!!

Check this site out.

http://www.mark-1-tank.co.uk/tiger-1.html#tigeraccess
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:46 AM
Bugga!

Sorry they are all 1/6th.

My mistake.

.............................................sorry....................................oops.
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Posted by erush on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:46 PM
Update time again. Lots of pics!!

Ok, here's the back end with all the goodies added on. I'm liking the way it's looking!! Here you go.
















Here's some pics of the S&T resin tracks. They'll look great when they're done, very accurate and good detail!

Here's one on the sprue and a couple cleanded and connected.


Holes in the guide horns!!


Good detail on the face of the tracks...


Cleaning off the sprues was a piece of cake. Only had one that didn't snap right off.


This on the other hand.............could take a while...
You can see 5 links I assembled on the deck of the Tigger btw.

Hi, I'm Eric and I'm a Modelholic too. I think I have PE poisioning.     "Friendly fire...isn't"
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:12 PM
Very nice Eric. Did you use krazy glue for all the Aber stuffs? I have a R/C one, hence I tried to solder most of the Aber details.
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Posted by erush on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:54 PM
CT -
I did use CA glue on the Aber as I didn't have a good soldering iron at the time. I wish I'd gone ahead and gotten an iron, it would be a lot stronger.
Hi, I'm Eric and I'm a Modelholic too. I think I have PE poisioning.     "Friendly fire...isn't"
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 31, 2004 11:08 PM
I just posted some info about a gear reduction set in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/armornutsrcarmorhut/ if you are interested.

ct
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 5, 2004 5:03 AM
Belly Plates: A New Order...

Well, after Wlad asking for more, he's cleaning out my inventory, apart from my masters. An I owe him one as it seems the last T1 went AWOL in transit. I don't even have any left for me, unless I use my masters!

I'll be receiving my Pershing in a number of weeks, and will see if/where it its capable of accepting reinforcement.

Price is still $40, no countersink but with low-profile h/w. Why no price shift? Cause they all go tracked & insured now. I also have to tack on PayPal fees, as its screwing us Canucks (as usual)

Let me know, and pass the word.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 8, 2004 7:21 PM
Off topic: Does anybody when the ABer set for the Kubelwagen will be out?
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:21 AM
check this site out:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeochp7/
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