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SPITFIRE GROUP BUILD 2007-2008

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  • From: Smithers, BC, Canada
Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 9:44 PM
phoenix, I will have to defer the definitive answer to your question to our Spit guru's like Jon, Frank, & Darren. I came across the color in my web search for reference pics and it turned up quite frequently, but I cannot be specific as to which variants used it. (but it sure looks cool! Big Smile [:D] ) Being as mine is also a Mk.Vb, I would say go ahead and paint it that color, but you may want to wait until someone more knowledgeable than I can give you a precise answer.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by phoenix7187 on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 9:14 PM
Ruddratt and wing nut those cockpits looks good. I am building a MK.Vb. did all V's have the that seat? I think I may have been painting them worng. 
Stan
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Posted by razordws on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 2:19 PM
Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]

Dave

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 2:14 PM
 ruddratt wrote:
 jwb wrote:

Anybody got a pic with a little more showing?

Yeah, but only my wife gets to see those!! Tongue [:P]

LMAO!

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 2:07 PM
 jwb wrote:

Anybody got a pic with a little more showing?

Yeah, but only my wife gets to see those!! Tongue [:P]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

jwb
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Posted by jwb on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 1:53 PM
 wing_nut wrote:

A question about the seat back... Was that padded?  And what color is the seat?  I saw something that said the whole thing was a brownish.  Should that just be the back rest?

Try panzer red brown from PolyScale. It's a close match to the bakelite plastic color.

This is the only pic I've got that shows the seat back:

It appears that where the ribs start it is the bakelite color..... just at the corner. But it's hard to tell.

Anybody got a pic with a little more showing?

Jon Bius

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Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 1:39 PM

Marc, that is looking incredible so far!! Awesome work, my friend!!! Bow [bow] ...and Frank is correct about the bakalite seat. I painted mine with Pollyscale 'Demon Red'.

Frank, I worked from that exact same pic when I built the 'pit for my Mk.Vb. Thumbs Up [tup] Great stuff!

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

gzt
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Posted by gzt on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 1:37 PM

Marc: Great cockpit !! nice paint job on the seat  !!!

Frank: thanks for a reference picture ! It will server well very soon Smile [:)]

Greg 

Flying is a thrill #2 known to mankind. Landing is #1.

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 12:45 PM

Marc-

I'm no Spitfire expert, so if anyone else out there has better info please share.

The seat back was padded, just like the texture on your seat.  It was a black leather, with vertical ribbing just like yours.  The seat itself was made from a material called bakelite, and was a reddish brown color.  I have heard that they tried painting them in the beginning, but the paint did not stick well so they quit and left them their natural color.  Here's a photo of the color:

Love the office on yours so far, you really have a knack for delicate painting and detailing!

 

Frank 

 

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Posted by ModelMan8 on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 12:32 PM

Marc, the cockpit is looking good!Thumbs Up [tup]  As for the seat back, I always thought that it was padded and i read the same thing that it was a brownish color.  I think it was a review for the airfix kit but I am not sure.

Chris

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 11:51 AM

After chomping at the bit and not being able to wait for the official start date... I finally got to do some more work on the MkVc.  PE cockpit details folded and installed.  Need to paint the seat/bulkhead and it will be time to button up the fuselage soon.

A question about the seat back... Was that padded?  And what color is the seat?  I saw something that said the whole thing was a brownish.  Should that just be the back rest?

Marc  

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Monday, July 2, 2007 12:06 PM
Fleet Air Arm Seafire's were painted black on the inside. A lot of restoration teams go for grey, but I'm at a loss as to why.........
Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by Daywalker on Monday, July 2, 2007 8:31 AM
 darson wrote:

Frank, I don't know if this is going to help or not, but here are a couple of shots of an un-restored Spitfire Mk.22/24 armored headrest from my references.  They show the slot where the harness would have come from.

Darren- That's exactly what I was looking for.  Strange color on the interior, what is it?  The Airfix instructions call out for black being the major interior color.  I read a review of the kit over on modelling madness, and the reviewer mentioned painting his int. green, only to find out later that it should have been black.  Anyone know which is correct?

Frank 

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Monday, July 2, 2007 8:08 AM

Frank-

thanks mate! You are too kind, I guess this is one of those builds where taking a little extra time with it has really paid off. I hope the rest of it tturns out as nice.

Darren- 

Thank you very much! The hose is is a bit of electrical fuse wire, its comes in all sorts of sizes so I always have some handy. BTW, those pics of the Mk. 22 are superb!Thumbs Up [tup] Just what we needed-many thanks!

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
gzt
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Posted by gzt on Monday, July 2, 2007 7:04 AM
 darson wrote:

Greg the Mk.II is looking just great; I can't believe the difference when I look back on shots of the original kit.

Thanks Darren.

I could not stand this plane as it was before ? Smile [:)].  Knowing that this kit deserved a better treatment - I have to do it Smile [:)]

Greg 

Flying is a thrill #2 known to mankind. Landing is #1.

http://www.rwd-6.org

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Posted by darson on Monday, July 2, 2007 2:38 AM

 TANGO 1 wrote:

Let me know what you think....

Darren actually I think the front office looks absolutely fantastic, I'm sure the rest of the kit will turn out just as nice.  Tell me what did you use for the oxygen hose, it looks spot on?

Greg the Mk.II is looking just great; I can't believe the difference when I look back on shots of the original kit.

Frank, I don't know if this is going to help or not, but here are a couple of shots of an un-restored Spitfire Mk.22/24 armored headrest from my references.  They show the slot where the harness would have come from.

 

Cheers

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, July 1, 2007 9:52 PM

Darren-

Absolutely outstanding!  The detail you've put into that office is truly amazing.  Just in the few months I have known you your work has really shined.  I was very impressed with the projects I first saw of yours, but as of late you have really been raising the bar!

Frank 

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Sunday, July 1, 2007 8:16 PM

Big Smile [:D]

Thanks lads!Thumbs Up [tup] I don't if I'll be that quick Jon, I want to take my time with this one and try to do a nice job on it.

Hopefully I'll get the airframe together tomorrow, all being well.Wink [;)]

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
jwb
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Posted by jwb on Sunday, July 1, 2007 7:22 PM
Very nice Darren! You'll be done before I get back from vacation! Wink [;)]

Jon Bius

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"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." ~ Jeremiah 29:11

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Posted by ruddratt on Sunday, July 1, 2007 7:07 PM
Darren, looks awesome from where I'm sitting, buddy!! Great work!! Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

gzt
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Posted by gzt on Sunday, July 1, 2007 6:56 PM

Great job with the cockpit !

I am going to use them as reference for my two IXcs !  What parts did you use ? I never heard of PE Seats Angry [:(!]. I got resin seats for my IX and Eduard PE sets but PE Seat ? never saw it :(

I like the effect a lot ! Resin seats will not give this look. 

Greg 

Flying is a thrill #2 known to mankind. Landing is #1.

http://www.rwd-6.org

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Sunday, July 1, 2007 6:28 PM

Thanks Greg!

Here's some more pics-I took these tonight before I closed up the fuselage. The seat is completely made from PE as is the instrument panel and harness. All the other deatils on the side walls are a mix of PE and kit parts with some fuse wire thown in for good measure and I driled out all the holes in the spars. Its not the tidiest job in the world but I'm pleased with it as its better than anything I've done on a Spit before.

Let me know what you think....




 

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
gzt
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Posted by gzt on Sunday, July 1, 2007 6:19 PM

Nice cockpit Darren !  Keep those pictures coming

Greg 

Flying is a thrill #2 known to mankind. Landing is #1.

http://www.rwd-6.org

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Sunday, July 1, 2007 6:13 PM

Here's some progress on my Eduard/Hasegawa cockpit for the Mk.IX that I am building.

There's a few more things to do, but these shots will give you an idea of the detail my PE set has provided. Its a very fiddly business and it is the most detail I've ever put into a Spitfire before, so I hope its noticable when its all done!





 

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by TANGO 1 on Sunday, July 1, 2007 6:09 PM

I don't have an actual picture of the real thing to hand, but a chap I know built his Mk.22 like this.....

......and it looks right to me. The 22/24 airfrmes were the same interally as the 46/47 airframes so if you make an incision between the top of the seat and the headrest and feed the harness through there, it'll look OK.Thumbs Up [tup]

Hope this helps.Wink [;)]

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, July 1, 2007 2:26 PM
Thanks Darren!  Still can't quite tell where the seatbelts exit the bulkhead, how are you doing yours?

Frank 

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Sunday, July 1, 2007 1:49 PM

Frank-

this is not written in English, but the pics may be useful.Thumbs Up [tup]

http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/artikel.php?id=1663 

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by ollie on Sunday, July 1, 2007 1:33 PM
 Daywalker wrote:

Looking good Greg!  Glad to see you were able to save it with some good decals.

BTW, does anyone out there have any photos of a late Spitfire, say Mk.22/24 or Mk.46/47?  I really want to see where the seatbelts come through the rear bulkhead.

 The modellers datafile book on the Griffon engined Spitfires is a great book for photos like that.

www.overthefencephotography.co.uk - aircraft photos.
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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, July 1, 2007 10:45 AM

Looking good Greg!  Glad to see you were able to save it with some good decals.

BTW, does anyone out there have any photos of a late Spitfire, say Mk.22/24 or Mk.46/47?  I really want to see where the seatbelts come through the rear bulkhead.

Frank 

 

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Posted by razordws on Sunday, July 1, 2007 10:33 AM

Looks great Greg.  Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup] I love the fading on the panels.  Looking forward to seeing it finished.

Jon, I look forward to seeing what you do with thespitfire.com!  Knowing you it will be awesome!

Dave

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