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  • Member since
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  • From: Melbourne, Australia
Posted by darson on Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:38 AM
 Screaminhelo wrote:

darson-
Nothing in particular in mind, Bill just got my attention and got me to wondering who I know that could be in Aus.  It was a nice walk back through time to try and figure it out, then I remembered that you probably got it from my profileDunce [D)].  Thanks for the memories!

You're spot on there Bill, I did get it from your profile.  I'm afraid it's a bit of a personal thing with me that I hate using user ids to communicate with people.  I will always check the profile of someone I am talking to find out their name so that I can use that instead.

Cheers

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  • From: Pismo Beach
Posted by credible_sport on Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:33 PM

Hello C-130 Fans,

I am building and converting 2 Airfix C-130's models to the HTTB (High Technology Test Bed) configuration. The HTTB is based on the L-100-20 airframe.

Attached to this email are some photos of the converted fuselage.  

The fuselage was cut and lengthened, based on Lockheed Cadam, engineering drawings, photos of the HTTB and articles which appeared in the August 1980 issue of Airfix Magazine and the July 2005 issue of Fine Scale Modeler on lengthening an Italerie C-130 J. 

(Does any one out there have a copy of the Lockheed Horizons that contained an article about the HTTB? If so please contact me if you would be willing to make a zerox copy or scan a copy of the article and email it to or for me?)  .

During the 1980's I was employed at Lockheed Ontario for 4 years, from 9/1986 to 11/1990 during my employment at LAS the HTTB was TDY at LAS Ontario for the Quiet Knight program. During this time I was fortunate enough to be given a tour of the HTTB by one of the HTTB's crew members.  I was allowed to examine the aircraft from the top of the tail to the tip of the radome. I made a number of drawings and notes about the HTTB's numerous modifications. I was very impressed with the HTTB. After my tour I decided that someday I would build a model of the HTTB.

To tackle this conversion I decided to convert and build the HTTB like Lockheed built the L-100-20 airframe.

(As an aside note when Airfix released their AC-130 E, Airfix modified the C-130 molds and added the AC-130 E features to the C-130 E mold thus altering the Airfix mold permanently, therefore when one purchases a Airfix C-130 post 1990 or thereabouts or a Heller C-130 or some other C-130 kit one is actually purchasing the Italeri C-130 kit as Airfix permanently damaged their C-130 E mold. So buyer bewares and if possible examines the kit before you buy.)

(I do not know if ESCI or AMT are still producing their version of the C-130, my first impression upon examining the ESCI C-130 or AC-130U was that the engine all of the shapes looked wrong he engine nacelles looked like they were shaped incorrectly and the kit looked like it had other numerous problems. If anyone out there has a different opinion of the ESCI C-130 please let me know.  Needless to say I never purchased one. All of the kits I own are either Airfix or Italerie.)

To convert the kits to the HTTB one has to lengthen the fuselage, add 2 feet to the wings add a Horsal to the tail and two Dorsals to the vertical stabilizers.

First I cut what would become the HTTB fuselage behind the cockpit bulkhead, and cut the fuselage along the panel line right behind the paratroop doors.

After this I cut the second Airfix C-130 fuselage (one I started to build back in the 1970 or 71 then consigned to my spare parts box) directly forward of the leading edge panel line and directly behind the wing root right along the panel line. These cuts are at the points recommend in the Airfix article.  Now one could purchase a Flight Path (old DB) resin C-130 fuselage plugs for the stretched L-100-30 conversion kit and cut it down or carve the section out of balsa foam or planking it out of sheet plastic.

The l-100-20 plugs are 5 feet for the forward plug and 3.3 feet for the rear fuselage plug. In 1/72 scale the forward fuselage plug is 13/16th or 20 cm long and the rear fuselage plug is 9/16th or 13 cm Long.

The next step will be carving a new nose radome then adding the Horsal to the tail and Dorsals to the horizontal stabilizers fins and widen the wings.

I built the dorsal fin out of the spare Airfix C-130 kit, some sprue, and sheet styrene.

I plan to carve the Horsal fins out of sheet styrene.  Then build a wider rudder by either sectioning and widening the kit's rudder or just building one from sheet styrene.

Then modify the wings. I know the HTTB's wing is 2 feet wider than the standard C-130 by 2 feet. 1 foot to the leading edge and 1 foot to the aileron and flaps.

To lengthen the flaps and aileron I plan to cut the flaps and modify them to the 2 piece blown flaps and add the one foot at the junction of the flap and the wing. Then add 1 scale foot to the Aileron and the space between the flaps and the wing. That's the easy part.

The leading edge of the wing is 1 foot wider and cambered; I am experimenting with ¼, ½ and round pieces of plastruct tubing to create the cambered wing leading edge look...

Then modify the Engine Nacelles. Does anyone know if the HTTB's Allison 501D Series IV engine nacelles are longer or wider than the standard Allison T56 A-15 Engines?  Did the HTTB ever test the C-130J propellers?

Any comments or suggestions are welcomed.

After I finish the HTTB I will tackle and convert an Italerie C-130 E to the YMC-130 H Credible Sport aircraft.

Then make molds for an YMC 130H and maybe a HTTB resin conversion kit.

I Hope you enjoy this and any comments, corrections, suggestions, and other ideas are very much welcomed and appreciated.

 

Enjoy

Tim Rathbone.

 

Now back to the conversion.

 

 

 

 

“A C-130 that can do anything can’t always do everything. In 1980, A follow on rescue scheme, Operation Credible Sport, added large retro-lifting, and takeoff rockets, to a YMC-130H with the idea of landing in Tehran's soccer stadium and flying the hostages out. During the first landing trial, the shattered aircraft was destroyed by fire. Before a second effort could be mounted. " Air & Space August 2004 page 43 Carl Posey
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  • From: Pismo Beach
Posted by credible_sport on Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:38 PM
Hello C-130 Fans, I am building and converting 2 Airfix C-130’s models to the HTTB (High Technology Test Bed) configuration. The HTTB is based on the L-100-20 airframe. Attached to this email are some photos of the converted fuselage. The fuselage was cut and lengthened, based on Lockheed Cadam, engineering drawings, photos of the HTTB and articles which appeared in the August 1980 issue of Airfix Magazine and the July 2005 issue of Fine Scale Modeler on lengthening an Italerie C-130 J. (Does any one out there have a copy of the Lockheed Horizons that contained an article about the HTTB? If so please contact me if you would be willing to make a zerox copy or scan a copy of the article and email it to or for me?) . During the 1980’s I was employed at Lockheed Ontario for 4 years, from 9/1986 to 11/1990 during my employment at LAS the HTTB was TDY at LAS Ontario for the Quiet Knight program. During this time I was fortunate enough to be given a tour of the HTTB by one of the HTTB’s crew members. I was allowed to examine the aircraft from the top of the tail to the tip of the radome. I made a number of drawings and notes about the HTTB’s numerous modifications. I was very impressed with the HTTB. After my tour I decided that someday I would build a model of the HTTB. To tackle this conversion I decided to convert and build the HTTB like Lockheed built the L-100-20 airframe. (As an aside note when Airfix released their AC-130 E, Airfix modified the C-130 molds and added the AC-130 E features to the C-130 E mold thus altering the Airfix mold permanently, therefore when one purchases a Airfix C-130 post 1990 or thereabouts or a Heller C-130 or some other C-130 kit one is actually purchasing the Italeri C-130 kit as Airfix permanently damaged their C-130 E mold. So buyer bewares and if possible examines the kit before you buy.) (I do not know if ESCI or AMT are still producing their version of the C-130, my first impression upon examining the ESCI C-130 or AC-130U was that the engine all of the shapes looked wrong he engine nacelles looked like they were shaped incorrectly and the kit looked like it had other numerous problems. If anyone out there has a different opinion of the ESCI C-130 please let me know. Needless to say I never purchased one. All of the kits I own are either Airfix or Italerie.) To convert the kits to the HTTB one has to lengthen the fuselage, add 2 feet to the wings add a Horsal to the tail and two Dorsals to the vertical stabilizers. First I cut what would become the HTTB fuselage behind the cockpit bulkhead, and cut the fuselage along the panel line right behind the paratroop doors. After this I cut the second Airfix C-130 fuselage (one I started to build back in the 1970 or 71 then consigned to my spare parts box) directly forward of the leading edge panel line and directly behind the wing root right along the panel line. These cuts are at the points recommend in the Airfix article. Now one could purchase a Flight Path (old DB) resin C-130 fuselage plugs for the stretched L-100-30 conversion kit and cut it down or carve the section out of balsa foam or planking it out of sheet plastic. The l-100-20 plugs are 5 feet for the forward plug and 3.3 feet for the rear fuselage plug. In 1/72 scale the forward fuselage plug is 13/16th or 20 cm long and the rear fuselage plug is 9/16th or 13 cm Long. The next step will be carving a new nose radome then adding the Horsal to the tail and Dorsals to the horizontal stabilizers fins and widen the wings. I built the dorsal fin out of the spare Airfix C-130 kit, some sprue, and sheet styrene. I plan to carve the Horsal fins out of sheet styrene. Then build a wider rudder by either sectioning and widening the kit’s rudder or just building one from sheet styrene. Then modify the wings. I know the HTTB’s wing is 2 feet wider than the standard C-130 by 2 feet. 1 foot to the leading edge and 1 foot to the aileron and flaps. To lengthen the flaps and aileron I plan to cut the flaps and modify them to the 2 piece blown flaps and add the one foot at the junction of the flap and the wing. Then add 1 scale foot to the Aileron and the space between the flaps and the wing. That’s the easy part. The leading edge of the wing is 1 foot wider and cambered; I am experimenting with ¼, ½ and round pieces of plastruct tubing to create the cambered wing leading edge look... Then modify the Engine Nacelles. Does anyone know if the HTTB’s Allison 501D Series IV engine nacelles are longer or wider than the standard Allison T56 A-15 Engines? Did the HTTB ever test the C-130J propellers? Any comments or suggestions are welcomed. After I finish the HTTB I will tackle and convert an Italerie C-130 E to the YMC-130 H Credible Sport aircraft. Then make molds for an YMC 130H and maybe a HTTB resin conversion kit. I Hope you enjoy this and any comments, corrections, suggestions, and other ideas are very much welcomed and appreciated. Enjoy Tim Rathbone. Now back to the conversion.
“A C-130 that can do anything can’t always do everything. In 1980, A follow on rescue scheme, Operation Credible Sport, added large retro-lifting, and takeoff rockets, to a YMC-130H with the idea of landing in Tehran's soccer stadium and flying the hostages out. During the first landing trial, the shattered aircraft was destroyed by fire. Before a second effort could be mounted. " Air & Space August 2004 page 43 Carl Posey
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Posted by darson on Monday, October 15, 2007 7:01 AM

Looks like we have a little double post action happening there Tim, but it sounds like an awesome project.  Any chance of some pics of what you are up too?

Cheers 

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Monday, October 15, 2007 6:13 PM
The F-16's were out playing over my house today, and it really got me excited about starting this GB! Tongue [:P]

Frank 

 

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Monday, October 22, 2007 11:14 PM

Pretty quiet around here...Whistling [:-^]

Is everyone excited to get started in 10 days? Propeller [8-]

Frank 

 

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  • From: Smithers, BC, Canada
Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:53 AM
Had my kit out the other day, just oogling all the AM stuff I'm going to pack into it. References abound, so yeah, I'd say I'm ready, buddy! Wink [;)]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:33 AM
Hehehe, it's gonna be a blast!  Should be interesting having a Fokker DVIII AND an F-16 on the bench at the same time.  PM inbound!

Frank 

 

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:39 PM

Mike,

I hope you don't mind if I start a lil' countdown to the start day here.  I'm very excited to get started!

NINE DAYS TO GO!!!

Frank 

 

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  • From: Carmel, CA
Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:31 AM
Chompin' at the bit, and the Lodestars almost down for another GB!!!
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Posted by JMart on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:01 PM
Can I join in? I was building (well starting) a P-38J for the P-38 Gb, but got sidetracked (Im also a slow and not so good builder!). I then picked up another P-38J (the 1:48 Revell kit with tons of flash!) and once I opened the box, saw the person had TWO sets of sprues.. so now I have 3 P-38Js, and will attempt to do them all at the same time... the Marge for the P-38 GB and the other 2 kit variants for this one (Droop snoot and /or night lightning). I know sounds crazy to build all 3 at once, but i think it will actually help... but Im a newbie what do I know! ;) I will build them OOB since its all I know for now... is this ok??? i hired my youngest daughter to take digitized pics for me so I can post the WIP :) Cheers

 

 

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:18 PM

Sign - Welcome [#welcome] Jmart!  I am sure Ruddratt will be along shortly to officially welcome you here.  Sounds exciting building a line-up of P-38's.  Glad to have you here! Thumbs Up [tup]

BTW...

EIGHT DAYS TO GO...

Frank 

 

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  • From: Smithers, BC, Canada
Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:04 PM

JMart, welcome to the Lockheed GB! Looking forward to seeing your work. Thumbs Up [tup] You've been added to the list, so help yourself to a GB and get ready to have a blast!

Thanks for the countdown, buddy! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:16 PM
 ruddratt wrote:

Thanks for the countdown, buddy! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

NP my friend!  Now, I just gotta decide if I am still gonna build the F-16 or change my entry.Sigh [sigh]

Frank 

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:25 AM
SEVEN DAYS TO GO...

Frank 

 

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  • From: Redmond, Washington
Posted by Leaadas on Friday, October 26, 2007 1:06 AM
I would like to get in on this if possible. Will be building Tamiya's F-16 JC Block 50
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Posted by Daywalker on Friday, October 26, 2007 7:49 AM

Sign - Welcome [#welcome] Tom!  Glad to see another F-16 here.  Ruddratt will be along shortly to officially welcome you, in the meantime feel free to grab the GB badge and get ready for some fun! Thumbs Up [tup]

SIX DAYS TO GO...

Frank 

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Saturday, October 27, 2007 5:23 AM
FIVE DAYS TO GO...

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:48 PM

LOL! Looks like you're really ready for this build to kick in, buddy! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Welcome aboard, Tom! You've been added to the list, so as Frank said, grab a badge and get ready to have a blast! Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:58 PM
 ruddratt wrote:

LOL! Looks like you're really ready for this build to kick in, buddy! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

LOl, yes... I usually build WWII aircraft, but when this GB gets started I'm gonna have a Fokker DVIII AND an F-16 on the bench at the same time.  Now, that's cool!  Cool [8D]  I just hope I don't accidentally get any of the parts mixed up.  Confused [%-)]  Could look kinda weird with an F-16 with a rotart engine hanging off of the nose.  Hmmm... Eddie Miller, watch out!!! Wink [;)]

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:01 PM
Laugh [(-D]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:15 AM
FOUR DAYS TO GO...

Frank 

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, October 28, 2007 1:51 PM
Mike- PM inbound! Wink [;)]

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Sunday, October 28, 2007 4:25 PM

Got it and replied, my friend.

Oh, and 3 1/2 days to go! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, October 28, 2007 4:46 PM
 ruddratt wrote:

Got it and replied, my friend.

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Frank 

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Monday, October 29, 2007 8:19 AM

THREE MORE DAYS...Propeller [8-]

Frank 

 

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  • From: Melbourne, Australia
Posted by darson on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:40 AM

I must admit that I opened up my Tamiya F-117A last night to "sniff" the styrene and have a bit of a read of the Tamiya and Eduard instructions.

Apart from getting all excited about starting the kit I've got to tell you in 1/48 the F-117 is a big aircraft.  It's certainly going to need a healthy chuck of my shelf space when it's done.

Cheers

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  • From: Carmel, CA
Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:58 AM

Oh, I'm excited too. I've got a pre build tidbit but will crack open the Connie Thursday a.m.

NO C-130'SSS?????

 

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:16 AM

Darren-

I have an old Monogram F-117 in 1/48 in my case, and it DOES take up a lot of room!  In fact, it BARELY fits in there.  Sure is an impressive bird, though.  I am really excited to hear how the Tamiya kit goes together.  Be sure to post lots of details!

Oh, and...

TWO MORE DAYS!!!

Frank 

 

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  • From: A secret workshop somewhere in England
Posted by TANGO 1 on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:42 PM

Just two more days?

I'll have to get a move on!

I've just had a quick look at my Tamiya F-117 and  I can't wait to have a crack at it-I don't think I'll have a display base big enough to accomodate it though................... 

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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