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                        ARMOR - Panther (PzKpfw V) Group Build (any scale)

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                        tigerman
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                          March 2003
                        • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
                        Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, November 4, 2003 6:05 PM
                        Sorry Brian, I happen to be one of those schurzen lovers. I like them on Pz IV's also, even though one modeler referred to them as tie-fighters from Star Wars.

                        "It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

                        http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

                         Eric 

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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 4, 2003 6:28 PM
                        after looking at loads of Panther books and seeing loads of Panther photos the schurzen. looks good Cool [8D]

                        Vote Schurzen Captain [4:-)]
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                        lizardqing
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                        • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
                        Posted by lizardqing on Tuesday, November 4, 2003 8:22 PM
                        Jon- Don't look like she'll be joining us. She still don't like german armor, allthough she has said it would be nice to do something that's not green. Plus she'll probally be working on the wingy thing still. So far it has made it out of the box and back in the box a few times with only progress being that it was washed off. In her defense though, she was on a jury for the last week so niether of made much progress on anything.
                        Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop
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                        tigerman
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                        • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
                        Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, November 4, 2003 9:18 PM
                        That's too bad Chris I was looking forward to his/her Panthers. Maybe we can convince Frosty that WW 2 armor isn't all bad. Big Smile [:D]

                        "It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

                        http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

                         Eric 

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                        lizardqing
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                        • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
                        Posted by lizardqing on Tuesday, November 4, 2003 9:23 PM
                        Ok she now is at least saying she'll think about doing one.
                        Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop
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                        Jamesr
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                          January 2003
                        Posted by Jamesr on Tuesday, November 4, 2003 10:34 PM
                        Thanks for the warm welcome.

                        I'm not going to be too worried bout accuracy this time around, I just want to make it look good. I have a couple of questions.

                        In regards to the "screen" gratings, I saw some on squadron.com for the G model. Would these fit the A?

                        What was the Panthers base color from the factory before it got it's first coat of paint? I'm thinking of using that as an undercoat.

                        Thats if for now.
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                        tigerman
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                          March 2003
                        • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
                        Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, November 4, 2003 11:26 PM
                        Hi Jamesr. The base coat was dunklegelb or Dark Yellow. This was usually used in conjunction with either a Dark Green or Red Brown or both for camo.

                        As for the grills, it appears that the A and early G have the same rear deck. The late G had a different rear deck. Hope I helped a little. Welcome to our build.

                        "It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

                        http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

                         Eric 

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                        J-Hulk
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                        • From: Tochigi, Japan
                        Posted by J-Hulk on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 4:01 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman

                        Sorry Brian, I happen to be one of those schurzen lovers. I like them on Pz IV's also, even though one modeler referred to them as tie-fighters from Star Wars.


                        I actually like 'em on Pzr IVs, too. Just not on Panthers! (Just my opinion, remember!) I don't know...functionality aside, they just look kinda chintzy, almost like they were an afterthought. Same deal for the schurzen on Hetzers. At least the Pzr IV schurzen has a bit of character!

                        Anyway, I'm certainly not trying to tell anyone how to build, I'm just yapping about what I like to see!Big Smile [:D]
                        ~Brian
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 9:06 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by lizardqing2

                        She still don't like german armor,


                        If it's for political reasons (and who can blame her if so), suggest that she build her panther as a post-war French one. The French used scads of panthers after WWII until they got their American armour (til around '48 or '49, I think).

                        I don't know what color the French painted them -- they may have left them the colors painted on by the Nazis. Anyone have any inof on this obscure topic? A Panther a francais would be quite unique, and cool, with a tank commander in a spiffy beret!

                        It's also rumored that the Syrians got some (from the French), but the Israeli battle histories don't mention any Panthers.
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 9:12 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman

                        Hi Jamesr. The base coat was dunklegelb or Dark Yellow. This was usually used in conjunction with either a Dark Green or Red Brown or both for camo.


                        Quite true. However, if you are doing a late Panther, you can also use the rust red primer as a base coat -- they dispensed with the yellow coat toward the bitter end, and just sprayed yellow and green on the red primer. It's actually kind of cool-looking. It's probably what I'll be doing, as I'm going late.

                        At the very last gasps, they got even weirder. Some Panthers were painted like Russian tanks to confuse the Red Air Force. Others got whatever colors happened to be laying around, like Panzer Grey.
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 9:17 AM
                        QUOTE:
                        I actually like 'em on Pzr IVs, too. Just not on Panthers! (Just my opinion, remember!) I don't know...functionality aside, they just look kinda chintzy, almost like they were an afterthought. Same deal for the schurzen on Hetzers. At least the Pzr IV schurzen has a bit of character!


                        In my book (The Book of Larry), I say use it if the real vehicle did! I mean, the critter you are trying to represent.

                        I actually like wacky stuff like this. I'd love to do one of those late-war T-34's or IS-II's that had the bed springs festooned all over the hull as impromptu anti-Panzerfaust devices! Sure, it's weird-looknig, but it's also clever -- a testament to how resourceful the soldier can be under stressful conditions. Someone even makes photetch bedsprings for just that purpose.

                        With that in mind, be happy you've got nice neat metal squares to hand from your tank's sides. Tongue [:P]
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                        J-Hulk
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                          February 2003
                        • From: Tochigi, Japan
                        Posted by J-Hulk on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 10:14 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn
                        In my book (The Book of Larry), I say use it if the real vehicle did! I mean, the critter you are trying to represent.


                        I agree wholeheartedly!Big Smile [:D]

                        But I still don't like the way they look on the Panther, or the way they cover up that graceful, sloping sag of the tracks from the sprocket to the fourth road wheel...why hide all that mechanical beauty? Smile [:)]
                        ~Brian
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                        wipw
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                        • From: Utah - USA
                        Posted by wipw on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 10:26 AM
                        Jamesr
                        QUOTE: In regards to the "screen" gratings, I saw some on squadron.com for the G model. Would these fit the A?


                        Armor Research Accessories has an absolutely beautiful set of the Engine Deck Screens for the Panther A. They are in stock for $6.00 at www.greatmodels.com. Part # is arc1006.

                        Brian
                        QUOTE: functionality aside, they just look kinda chintzy, almost like they were an afterthought.


                        They were an after thought! They stuck them on to help deflect armor piercing rifle rounds, I believe, but I could be wrong on the type of round. I always thought it was kind of wierd that something so thin (relatively speaking) could be such a great help with all that massive steel right behind it. One thing that can be done with those big plates is to leave one, two, or even three of them off on one side. Best of both worlds, worst of both worlds; depending on how you choose to look at it!

                        Bill
                        Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown)
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                        J-Hulk
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Tochigi, Japan
                        Posted by J-Hulk on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 10:40 AM
                        Well, there ya go! Afterthoughts! Just as I suspected!

                        I've seen 'em fequently on Ds and As, but not very often on Gs or Jagdpanthers. Were they used much on late-war vehicles?
                        ~Brian
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                        wipw
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                        • From: Utah - USA
                        Posted by wipw on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 1:06 PM
                        This I don't know. I'll have to check Mr. Osprey's references for that!!

                        btw, Brian, Do you get FSM over there? This months issue has an article about accurizing the Revell Wright Flyer. It's apparently written by a Japanese gentleman, and they mention in it (briefly) about the guy that translated the article and the company he works for translating English to Japanese magazine articles.

                        Bill
                        Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown)
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 5:02 PM
                        QUOTE: .

                        They were an after thought! They stuck them on to help deflect armor piercing rifle rounds, I believe, but I could be wrong on the type of round. I always thought it was kind of wierd that something so thin (relatively speaking) could be such a great help with all that massive steel right behind it.



                        The common widsom on this is that they were stuck on there to deflect hollow charge rounds. Some disagree though.
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                        tigerman
                        • Member since
                          March 2003
                        • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
                        Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 5:29 PM
                        Sorry Brian I wasn't trying to make a point just letting you know I like them. I need to watch how I'm talking late at night, I sorta offended another member in a another forum by accident, because of the way I worded my post. Anyway, my liking them is just my opinion and I totally respect yours. I also like them off too. True Panther schurzen doesn't have alot of character.

                        Larry, I agree about your comments relating to the T-34 with bedsprings.

                        "It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

                        http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

                         Eric 

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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 7:43 PM
                        QUOTE: I need to watch how I'm talking late at night, I sorta offended another member in a another forum by accident, because of the way I worded my post


                        Hey, that offends me Wink [;)]

                        I have ordered the Eduard PE parts and a replacement barrel for this build. I also am doing a special diorama for this (which I have started on, by the way)
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                        tigerman
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                          March 2003
                        • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
                        Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 8:17 PM
                        I forgot which Panther you're building Eric. Can you give us some clues as to the diorama your putting together? Big Smile [:D]

                        "It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

                        http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

                         Eric 

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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 6, 2003 12:31 AM
                        RE: Odd thing stuck on tanks. I have a pic of a Sherman (USMC, SoPac) with long nails welded to it, they would prevent magnetic mines from sticking and demolition charges would sit on them and spend their energy in the gap (same principle as schurzen, detonate the charge before it strikes the main armor and allow the energy to "vent" elswhere. But a whole lot cheaper).

                        Brian: I also like the graceful sweep of the track from the road wheels to the drive, It's a big part of the Panther's character. Here is where the thread about "authenticity" vs. "accuracy", from several months ago, comes in. Smile [:)]
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                        J-Hulk
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Tochigi, Japan
                        Posted by J-Hulk on Thursday, November 6, 2003 5:54 AM
                        Howdy, folks!Big Smile [:D]
                        Tigerman, I wasn't offended in the least! Just having a good time tossing opinions around, we are!Smile [:)]

                        Bill, I sucribe to FSM, but it gets delivered to Ma & Pa's house back in Georgia, who graciously forward it to me here in Japan. I usually get 'em two or three months after they arrive! Bless their hearts! But as much as I love FSM, I ain't paying 1,900 yen ($17.27 US) for one issue! No complaints, though.

                        I haven't read that article about the Wright Flyer, but I'm looking forward to it.

                        Now, back to Panthers!
                        ~Brian
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 6, 2003 7:39 AM
                        ive been looking at alot of photos of late war Panthers and theres alot of very late Panther Gs with schurzen on, theres one with the chin mantle, infra red and the exuasts silencers with a full side of schurzen Shock [:O] but all the schurzen were damaged so they didnt look like they were in a straight line like the kit parts wouldZzz [zzz]Captain [4:-)]

                        i like the war the tracks go over the wheels too thats why i did my Kingtiger the way i did with some missingCowboy [C):-)]

                        Eduard make a PE set of bedspings for the T34 but i think you have to make the frame up yourselfPirate [oX)]

                        Chris theres a panther G that was captered by british troops called Cukoo that looks good sprayed green whith a big white ring and star, or she could build a Panther Pup (a M24 Chaffee) thats if its ok with the restChef [C=:-)]

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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 6, 2003 7:48 AM
                        ive just found these links they were posted on another sitePirate [oX)]
                        some good pictures
                        http://www.panzer.punkt.pl/strony_www/panther_galeria.htm
                        http://www.twenot.nl/panther.htm
                        http://www.huyser.net/tsw/index1.html
                        Pirate [oX)]Cowboy [C):-)]Chef [C=:-)]Captain [4:-)]

                        heres a nice late war panther photo

                        i think this is the one Larry was on about at the start of the thread


                        and another on i like with steal wheels
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                        J-Hulk
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                        • From: Tochigi, Japan
                        Posted by J-Hulk on Thursday, November 6, 2003 8:04 AM
                        Good pix 'n' links, Jon!
                        ~Brian
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                        nmayhew
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                          July 2003
                        • From: Kent, England
                        Posted by nmayhew on Thursday, November 6, 2003 1:54 PM
                        caveman that first link was superb!!!!!!!!!!
                        Kind regards, Nicholas
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                        lizardqing
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                        • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
                        Posted by lizardqing on Thursday, November 6, 2003 3:19 PM
                        Jon- Thanks, I'll mention it to her and see if it's something she might do.
                        Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 7, 2003 7:06 AM
                        Captain,

                        Thanks for those awesome links. I found the exact picture I was looking for!
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 7, 2003 7:57 PM
                        are anyone doing this one,
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 7, 2003 9:20 PM
                        thanks for those links capt. i already had the last 2 but had never seen the first one , very interesting pictures. i was thinking about doing ambush but after seeing the first drawing there i just might change my mind if i can find more pictures of that camo scheme, very interesting and unusual.
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 7, 2003 9:26 PM
                        what this one?

                        well i have a photo of it, it was dug in with the tracks covered in the photo
                        i think its in a Concord book or it might be a Tankpower book, ill find out the name of the book for you
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