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tigerman

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March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:08 PM

Great deal Chris, looks like we will be building the same kit. I don't have a lot of experience either with p/e, but it should be interesting. Mine got a little tweaked during delivery also.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Eric

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lizardqing

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July 2003
From: Dahlonega, Georgia

Posted by lizardqing on Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:24 PM

Tigerman- Sounds like Tamiya should have packed the pe in the box a little better.

Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:42 PM

Did you PE sets come in a bag with a card backing???

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lizardqing

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July 2003
From: Dahlonega, Georgia

Posted by lizardqing on Saturday, November 15, 2003 6:41 PM

Mine were packed with a cardboard backing in a ziplock style bag but were still damaged.

Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop

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J-Hulk

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February 2003
From: Tochigi, Japan

Posted by J-Hulk on Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:20 AM

Tigerman, I can't remember where, but I've read that the tracks are supposed to finally touch down on the fourth set of road wheels (which would be the second set of outside wheels).

Oh, and thanks to all for letting us non-1/35 Panther modelers join in!

~Brian

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:23 AM

heres the diferent track sags
the first one is on a Panther D

the second is on a Panther G steel wheel

the third is a Panther G at Aberdeen as in Muzzelflashes photo (rusted tracks)

but the Forth picture is of a Panther G that was captured and used by the British, it must be moving or on rough ground becouse the tracks are toutching the last wheel only

so in the end its up to you what you want the tracks to look like, i will just look at a photo i like and copy it

all the photos are from http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz4.htm#panther

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tigerman

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March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:01 PM

Yeah Jon, they did come with cardboard backing, but they are so frail, they may have become a little damaged in transit. I agree Chris, they should have packed them better, maybe putting cardboard on both sides of the fret.

Those first two photos are exactly what I was saying about the sag touching the second roadwheel (maybe should have said first outside wheel, hard to tell if its touching, but close)

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Eric

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:17 PM

well the first two photos are from the factory so id say that you are right , thats the way i do it anyway
im still looking for the FM tracks im after three sets of panther early

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tigerman

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March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:26 PM

For all you Panther lovers out there, if you haven't seen it in the newest FSM, on page 79, Hobbyland has an Academy 1/25 Panther G for $35.99 retail is $50. This is a pre-order. I don't know a thing about it, but if it's like some of their newer offerings, it may be worth it. Heck, you can't get a 1/35 for that price!

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Eric

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:23 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by PantherLehr
I’m not 100% set on the camo scheme yet but i just might go with ambush since that’s the only thing i have any experience with, i don’t think i will do zimerit though (this is going to be my 3rd kit, it's going to be my first time doing pe and metal tracks, i don't think I’ll have enough time in 2 months to add zim on top of that).

The germans dropped Zimmerit anyway towards the end of the war? Due to "more sophisticated" anti tank weaponry, that's what I have read anyway.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:44 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Captain Caveman
...im still looking for the FM tracks im after three sets of panther early

Hometown hobbies has them.
http://www.hometown-hobbies.com/inc/pdetail?v=1&pid=3377
The late Panther/jagdpanther are here:
http://www.hometown-hobbies.com/inc/pdetail?v=1&pid=3343

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:56 PM

chears Derek for the link
ive found out that Historex uk sell them but im not keen on there site
im after them on this side of the Pond Captain [4:-)]

i might have to go to the big IPMS model show over here next weekend to get them

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 5:57 AM

Captain Caveman
Have you tried http://www.hannants.co.uk/

That where i get all my stuff from now, they seem to be the cheapest in the UK, also have just about anything you could want.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 6:42 AM

Thanks Dave ive found them there,i didnt know hannents did them

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 8:51 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw

QUOTE: i got the idea from the Armor Conversions book and was thinking that it might be fun to try in 1/72 instead !

Frosty,
What book is it to which you're refering?? Where did you find it? It sounds interesting!
Thanks

Bill

Bill:
the full title is ARMOR CONVERSIONS AND DETAILING PROJECTS, and it's a Kalmbach publication (#12166, i think), 104 pages chock full of fun projects. it's $15.95, and if u click on the Kalmbach Publishing Co. heading under "Contact us" in the green panel on the left side of your screen, then go to "Books" or search Armor detailing, u can find it there....
i think u'll like it !

best wishes,
frosty Smile [:)]

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J-Hulk

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February 2003
From: Tochigi, Japan

Posted by J-Hulk on Monday, November 17, 2003 11:04 AM

Back to the track sag story, I'm looking through Schiffer Military History Volume 37, Panther, and more than half the pix show the tracks touching down on the 4th set o' wheels (2nd set o' outside wheels). I reckon it really just depends on the physical situation the vehicle was in at the moment the pic was snapped, as well as any number of variables at the time.
As Jon said, it'd probably be best to choose a particular vehicle you have references for and go with that.
Or just go with what ya like!

On the Academy 1/25 Panther G: it is unfortunately just a refurbishment of their previous Tamiya copy, with some added G-specific items (upper hull, mantlet), and some very disappointing vinyl belt trax (poorly detailed and very stiff). I had a good rummage through the box the other day, with the intention to buy, but I had to let it go. Too bad, too...woulda been nice to have a G to go with my ol' A and Jagdpanther.

~Brian

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 12:15 PM

brian-sama:
hey, we can play too, isn't that great ?
i'm thinking ersatz m10 in 1/72 or 1/76 (might as well use the airfix panther since i won't have to saw off the commander's cupola and spare fuel tanks on that model; altho' i'll actually have to buy another kit if i go that route, it'll still cost less than the simplest PE set for a 1/35 version !)...
did u get to work ok on saturday after ur late nite on friday ?
frosty

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wipw

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From: Utah - USA

Posted by wipw on Monday, November 17, 2003 12:49 PM

Frostygirl;

Thanks for the info. It really sounds like something I'd like to look at. I'll look into it.

Bill

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 2:57 PM

Two questions --

1) are we each going to be adding our build-up stories to a web page, with pics of progress, stories of amputated fingers and all that good stuff? That seems to have been the intention with the big Tiger build-up.

2) Totally unrelated to 1), does any one out there have good photo references for the Panthers of 5SS Panzer in Hungary in January 1945? It's an unusual vertical stripe pattern. I had a source with good pix of them, but I don't remember which one it is now, and can't find the pix. Sad [:(]

This would be Operation "Konrad," the Budapest-relief effort.

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tigerman

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From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Monday, November 17, 2003 4:27 PM

Gee, I just thought of this, I was going to do an ambush scheme for my Panther, but that was late war and I have the early G! When did the ambush scheme first appear? Oh well, I guess that I could always do a tri-color camo. Sad [:(]

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Eric

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tigerman

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March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Monday, November 17, 2003 4:53 PM

If you click on the thread in "Wacky Nashorn color schemes" and click on German armor, you will find some interesting photos of Panthers. One of them shows a Panther in a townsquare. I clicked on the Ardennes part of it.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Eric

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 5:21 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman

If you click on the thread in "Wacky Nashorn color schemes" and click on German armor, you will find some interesting photos of Panthers. One of them shows a Panther in a townsquare. I clicked on the Ardennes part of it.

Wow, thanks for the pointer. Great stuff. Are any of those still wearing the oroginal paint scheme? I assume not.

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tigerman

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From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Monday, November 17, 2003 6:23 PM

Well Larry, I'm guessing after sixty years, probably, not. There does seem to be some nice repo jobs though, or at least realistic on some. I thought that pic of the night fighting G was cool.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Eric

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 9:36 PM

Could paint your Panther G pink and call it the 'pink....naw nevermind! Dead [xx(]

Glenn

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 10:24 PM

larry os the panther your looking for on one of the tthreads i posted on here?
is this the one?

its from here http://www.panzer.punkt.pl/strony_www/panther_galeria.htm
ill have a look for some, theres some photos in some of the Concord books and the Tankpower books

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:21 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn
... 1) are we each going to be adding our build-up stories to a web page, with pics of progress, stories of amputated fingers and all that good stuff? That seems to have been the intention with the big Tiger build-up. ...

I was originally going to host them on a site but it is not ready ... yet. Black Eye [B)]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman

Gee, I just thought of this, I was going to do an ambush scheme for my Panther, but that was late war and I have the early G! When did the ambush scheme first appear? Oh well, I guess that I could always do a tri-color camo.

you can paint it that way if the tank and scheme were in use at the same time.
A panzer II that survived until '45 could be painted in ambush but you wouldn't see a late Panther G in Dunkelgrau.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:48 AM

I think the website thing is worked out, just need to know who is in.

So far I have;
Pantherlehr
Frostygirl
J-hulk
CaptainCaveman and
Tigerman

Who am I missing?

WOW, i'm gonna have to come up with some guidelines to make this work with a large crowd.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:00 AM

Don’t forget me... I want in on the build!!!

If you guys want you can send me your pics until Claymore gets his site up. I also have a website that i would be more than happy to post pics on. I have not had much time to do much with the site during the semester (i am a busy little beaver) but finals are over on the 12th of December. I will be starting my build then, but I'm sure i can find time to post your pics if you send them to me.

My hotmail account can handle 2 meg storage, so please make sure that the size of the files you send are not over 1.5 meg. my email is esarmor@hotmail.com, or you could just click on the email icon under my post. Big Smile [:D]

. it might be best to let me know that you will be sending me an email so i can make sure that my account has room. I wont be able to handle it if everyone emails me their pics at once.

cheers,
edog

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wildwilliam

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December 2009
From: West Grove, PA

Posted by wildwilliam on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:36 AM

count me in too!
i have a few things to get off the bench,
and i am still waiting for my Eduard barrel to show up,
but the rest of the pieces are here.
i have the Tamiya Panther Type G Early w/ Eduard PE Zim,
Tamiya indy links, and Tamiya grille set.

ed.