pearl harbor 2008 thankyou

Lew that 'cat is a nice model, well done.

Aaron, the Goose is wonderful. I have never ever seen that subject. Joe's GB is one of my two favorites- you may know of the other, ye' reprobate- because it is that transition between the good and the bad. Imagine what and where that bird was doing a year later.

I haven't spoken to my source again in two weeks, in Honolulu, but I believe I have enough to start. I'm building at 1/350, the base of the tower model is a brass tube 1/2" in dia. by 4" tall.

But I have the little PE stairs from my warship scrap box, which is not large.

The whole thing is raw cast iron color, and will have a derrick at the top, with shoring to hold up the deck.

sfcmac wrote:

lewbud that is a smooth looking Wildcat! Joe  very sharp pit. Got any pics of her closed up now? Well finally finished the Czech Model 1/48 Grumman Goose. Marked for Wheeler Field Dec 1941. Very colorful markings that were all but gone by that time. Guess the Army needed some visability on this one. This was a real painful build at times. Tried my patience waiting for the glossy paints to dry but here she is. Holler away!   I Give me a little recovery time Joe and I'll see what else I can dig up!

Thanks Aaron.  I've got a few more panel lines on the wings to fill, then some minor rescribing.  I'm still thinking about what to do about the pit, but leaning towards shooting it with int green and int black for the panel and leave it at that.  In divine scale the IP is darn near invisible anyway.  Kudos to you and your Goose.  You did a great job with a difficult kit.

lewbud that is a smooth looking Wildcat!

Joe  very sharp pit. Got any pics of her closed up now?

Well finally finished the Czech Model 1/48 Grumman Goose. Marked for Wheeler Field Dec 1941.

Very colorful markings that were all but gone by that time. Guess the Army needed some visability on this one. This was a real painful build at times. Tried my patience waiting for the glossy paints to dry but here she is. Holler away!

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Give me a little recovery time Joe and I'll see what else I can dig up!

Heres a couple of pics of my F4F-3 after the first round of putty.

www.public.fotki.com/lewbud/pearl-harbor-2008-g/groupbuild003.html

www.public.fotki.com/lewbud/pearl-harbor-2008-g/groupbuild004.html

Bondo,

Thanks for the link, I had seen in one of the earlier posts and followed it.  There was another link that led me to the different squadrons involved, but I forget where it was.  I know its somewhere on one of the earlier pages of this build.  Your build looks quite intriguing, and I thought I liked obscure and off the wall stuff at times.  Look forward to seeing it progress.  Now for an update on my build.  Upon further review (along with finding some reviews), it seems Hobby Boss has pulled a fast one and simply branded their -4 as a -3.  Some of this will be easy to correct with some putty and a delicate touch with the sandpaper.  Now if I succumb to the pull of AMS, I'll have to replace the cowl and get an aftermarket engine as the cowl and engine are one piece on the HB kit.  Will do further research. 

lewbud wrote:

Found an interesting site while trying to determine how many aircraft were left at Pearl by VMF-211 at the time of the attack.  According to Bluejacket.com, 12 were deployed to Wake and 10 were left behind.  Here's the url http://www.bluejacket.com/

http://www.ww2pacific.com/aaf41.html

I had a long chat last week with a woman at the Pacific Air Museum. It seems that the Ford Island control tower was still under construction on that day. Very interesting, but no photos.

I think I can find the name of the General Contractor, who was a lighthouse builder. If so, I hope to get a drawing or drawings of their crane setup.

More soon.

Found an interesting site while trying to determine how many aircraft were left at Pearl by VMF-211 at the time of the attack.  According to Bluejacket.com, 12 were deployed to Wake and 10 were left behind.  Here's the url

http://www.bluejacket.com

well i guess i can finally show some progress.

these pictures were taken friday night.   since then the fuse is closed.  this is strait from the box.  nothing added.  

joe 

Ah J Mart, Your not the only one who suggested that. Actually that was an experiment as it won't show when this beast is closed up. Other than being able to tell there is something there. I have confiscated one of the wifes scrap book cutters and some thicker card stock for future endevors. Even had some luck  shaping parts and solidifing them with thin superglue.  Handy when there is no p-e set and you need a detail.

 Lets give an update at where I am at. Got all the major assemblys done, now painted. This is my first use of gloss paints on any subject so I am learning there are big differences.  The resin engines were not a whole lot more detailed than the plastic so I got them as close as I could adding wires rims and data plates.

Did up the scratch made crew and after two days painting am leaving it be to dry before proceeding.  ( Not easy as it is screaming come touch me! )  Here are a couple pics to show where I am at.

 Keep on suggesting as I probably will try just about anything ! Well almost.

sfcmac - That IS a great subject.... good luck! I like your rivet detail experiment, only thiing I would suggest wouldbe to use a metal straightedge as a guide so you have a straight line. nice looking IP.

bondoman - what a great project! learning a lot from your research, thanks for posting

I hated PH the movie, such a Hollywood-esque exageration & stilyzed, compared to TTT... I heard an interview with Dolittle's daughter (Military history podcasts), her family took umbrage at the portrayal of him in the PH movie, nothing like the real person.

 Looking forward to some pics Joe.  I am guessing that everyone was skeptical of my paper ribs but I am happy with the results. The cabin will not be nearly as visable when sealed up so I am one who loves to experiment.  Let you see how it comes together primed and painted. Add the illusion of a little rivet detail with a simple push pin and you have a cheap but nice stage for the resin parts. Much better than smooth walls with ejector pin marks. Have a look.

Primed and painted the wings and tail flats to give the glossy paint some time to dry.

Start putting it together painting as I go.

Slowly coming together. Lots of test fitting to ensure a painless joining of the fuselage halfs but a few more details and touch ups should be ok. I reenforced the very rear wall as the tail wheel attaches to it and I want to make sure it is sturdy.

Thanks for looking! The Goose should get wings soon!

no need to joe.  you signed up once you dont need to sign up again. 

for all.  you may see folks who dont appear on the list for fsm.  this build is across four forums.  

great progress so far guys.  i have minimal progress but i do have some.  no pictures yet though.  waiting till the pit is painted.  

joe 

Nice to see some work here, Joe you might as well add me here too... 

 Well ok here is a little bit of work so far. The kit itself is on par with limited run kits like Classic Airframes so keep your dremel handy!. The resin parts are true details and very nice! Adding a little bit of detail to the smooth injection pin filled insides. Not sure how much will show but has to be better than just nothing. Why add a resin interior with smooth gobbed up side walls? Quick job but better than nothing. Got the wings and tail together fairly painless ly time to start on the pit and cabin.!

 Well things are kinda quiet here lets liven them up a little. I got my order for this build in. Er at least one of them. The other is not going to be released until Sept 08 so thats a maybe. But like every good soldier I have a back-up.

 I have had a rough couple  builds lately so I am hoping this one goes together a little easier. It is the Grumman JRF Goose 1/48 scale by Czech Model. Bought it blind without reading a review or anything. It was on the front of the Squadron mail order pamplet they send out monthly. In the description I saw decals for Wheeler Field 1941 and thought that would be a different subject. 

 Looks pretty cool so far we shall see how it falls together. I mean how could you not fall in love with that color scheme?  Wish me luck!

bayoutider wrote:

I just rejoined FS after a 2 year absence to rebuild home after hurricane Rita. I had started a Trumpeter 1/350 Arizona barely with EB details. I have the resin casted quays and just bought a resin model of the Vestal. I wanted to do a diorama of them tied together at pearl as the Day Before. I just found out I would have painted my Arizona all wrong and if I am again mistaken someone please correct me but the ship was painted Mediterranian blue with turret tops of #1,2 & 4 painted red. Now, what color is the Vestal? Should I go with the magenta or chartruse paint scheme? I will try my best to complete at least one model for the build. I manned the rail in 1966 on the USS Coral Sea headed for Viet Nam as we pulled into Pearl Harbor. It was an honor to visit the memorial.    I hope this doesn't interfere with football season.

Got my kit for the build today.  Quick OOB review.  Opening the box, you see a vacformed tray with protective voids for the various pieces.  There are two clear sprues one has a two piece canopy, the other a one piece.  Both clear sprues have the underwing windows to check the gear.  The fuselage is one piece with fine engraving and a molded in cockpit.  The wings and lower fuselage are one piece with finely engraved panel lines.  There is minimal flash and parting lines on both pieces.  The cowl and engine are molded in one piece, so some careful painting will be necessary.  However, the cowling is missing the two internal cheek scoops and seems more like the one on the F4F-3A. The prop has its own protective area in the tray and looks correct.  The one sprue contains the horizontal stabilizers, wheels, two piece landing gear, head rest, gunsight, and pitot tube.  Markings are for a yellow wing bird from VF-41 USS Ranger in the Atlantic 1941 and a blue bird from VF-3 aboard USS Lexington.  If you do the bird from VF-41, there are no chevron or fuselage stripes.  Hobby Boss says easy assembly on the box and they mean it as there are 21 parts total to the kit.  For a grand total of 8.99 this kit can be yours.  Here's pic of what's in the box.

http://www.public.fotki.com/lewbud/group-build/7.html

bayoutider wrote:

I just rejoined FS after a 2 year absence to rebuild home after hurricane Rita. I had started a Trumpeter 1/350 Arizona barely with EB details. I have the resin casted quays and just bought a resin model of the Vestal. I wanted to do a diorama of them tied together at pearl as the Day Before. I just found out I would have painted my Arizona all wrong and if I am again mistaken someone please correct me but the ship was painted Mediterranian blue with turret tops of #1,2 & 4 painted red. Now, what color is the Vestal? Should I go with the magenta or chartruse paint scheme?

aaron the build is a go.  all ahead full.

bayoutider you are in.  i look forward to seeing the dio come together.

joe 

I just rejoined FS after a 2 year absence to rebuild home after hurricane Rita. I had started a Trumpeter 1/350 Arizona barely with EB details. I have the resin casted quays and just bought a resin model of the Vestal. I wanted to do a diorama of them tied together at pearl as the Day Before.

I just found out I would have painted my Arizona all wrong and if I am again mistaken someone please correct me but the ship was painted Mediterranian blue with turret tops of #1,2 & 4 painted red. Now, what color is the Vestal? Should I go with the magenta or chartruse paint scheme?

I will try my best to complete at least one model for the build. I manned the rail in 1966 on the USS Coral Sea headed for Viet Nam as we pulled into Pearl Harbor. It was an honor to visit the memorial.  

 I hope this doesn't interfere with football season. 

well no pics as of yet but i do have the pit "constructed".   i have a first shot of color, more of a primer coat, and should have actual color in a day or so.

joe 

lewbud i will give it a good look this afternoon.  i think your plan is good though, and logical. 

well as with anything those who believe they know it all, are wrong.  the actual date for the us freezing japanese assets, closing ports to japanese vessels, and placing an embargo on oil sales was july 28 1941.  however this does not affect this build.  

1941

April 10  -  the imperial japanese navy is reorganized.  the 1st air fleet is organized.  

april 13  -  the japanese and russians sign a neutrality pact.

may 20  -  the japanese confirm, the us has broken and is reading some of the japanese codes.

june 20  -  the us stops oil shipments to anywhere except latin america and great britain.

june 26  -  vichy france permits japan to occupy french indochina.

july 17  -  a new japanese government is formed.

july 28  -  the us puts and embargo on oil sales, freezes assets, and closes ports to japanese vessels.

this is what japan calls the provocation for the attack on the hawaiian islands.  this my friends signals the beginning of pearl harbor 2008.



joe

Nah Lewbud I did that to meself! I just kinda like the challenge to see if I can get the parts to fit. I can compare it to taking a Tamiya Swordfish and a Hasegawa FW-190 and making an Academy SBD outta of them. I figured I beeter do something good to pacify Nam after all my taunting.

 I am trying to get a feel for what everyone is doing here so I can try for something unique and festive! I love festive models!

 The fantastic modelers and great people here just make it almost impssible to not enjoy learning new things and stuff. This is gonna be pretty swell!

sfcmac wrote:

fightnjoe wrote: aaron you are in.  joe Ut oh checking the bottom of me shoe! Beware of Bondoman and Namrednef they be a shiesty pair of scallawags meant on doing some good stuff!  Joe I have lots I can build was looking to see what would fill a nitch. If I can't make up my mind I'll let Nam and Bondo do it for me OK? ( making up me mind)

Aaron,

Didn't let Nam or Bondo do that for you over in the NAVAIR build and they stuck you with the FM kit?  If it were me I'd reconsider.

fightnjoe wrote:

sorry about that.  i missed the earlier post.  as for your build i think back to last year, and the year before when i worked through builds thinking they were of types and numbers associated with units involved in the spirit of the build and then found that they were wrong.  the spirit of the build is what counts.  i hope you are able to find the correct markings.  but i am finding that records from that time period are very scarce.  many were destroyed by a fire.  in other words if the build is correct except the plane number(based on historical fact) i believe i will let it pass.  with that being said, let me look around to see what i can come up with for you.     joe

Thanks Joe.  Any help would be appreciated.  From what I've found on the web, the rear echelon of the squadron was left behind.  According to one of the websites there were 11 operational a/c and one undergoing maintenance on 7 Dec.  If memory serves, the Yellow Wings decal sheet covers planes 1-13 so I should be able to represent any of the a/c left behind ( assuming 24 ac in a squadron).  Like I said any help would appreciated.

The beauty of this particular GB, which I'm in for the second year, is that Joe runs a tight ship and research is an important part, and in this case for something that many think they know a lot about, but there's always more.

Case in point, my subject the control tower at Ford Island. The structure that is there now was refurbished some years ago for the movie, and also was featured in the earlier movie TTT, where in both cases it looked more or less like this:

In point of fact on December 7, 1941 it was still under construction, and would seem to be one dark color. Missing was the office on top, it was an open platform.

There are quite a few damage photos of Ford Island taken that day from a high viewpoint, but they are not taken from that tower. They are taken from an airship mooring mast located several thousand feet to the south. And none show the other tower. The only photos I've found so far are the Japanese photos, in which the whole island is dark because of the early hour.

It's a real challenge, but I am hoping to find a description of the tower on that day.

Hey, whatever works. If you can't find anything i'm fine watching the GB! Like I said, i'm building it up into a U.S.Navy trainer so ....

Josh