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Posted by chris hall on Saturday, August 2, 2008 3:28 AM

Here's the Biber's hull, which was sprayed NATO Black yesterday:

I've masked the bits I want to stay NATO black with my favourite masking material for small, irregular areas, Bostik white Stick'n Fix:

http://www.ryman.co.uk/Bostik-Stick-n-Fix-0615026090.asp

It behaves in a very similar way to Blu-tac, except that it doesn't give you that greasy blue residue that you sometimes get with the latter.

i've just sprayed the unmasked areas NATO Brown. Tomorrow, I'll mask off the brown areas, and spray the rest of the model NATO Green, which I'll also use to highlight the bridge.

Cheers,

Chris.

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Posted by stick man on Saturday, August 2, 2008 1:56 PM

Wow Chris that brige layers going to be huge nice job!

I'm just about to airbrush my build and I thout I'd post some pix before the paint was on.

yes that panther is 1/72

Now to paint.

Smile [:)]

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Posted by mg.mikael on Saturday, August 2, 2008 2:01 PM

chris hall: Can't wait to see that camoflage pattern!

stick man: Look's great so far, can't even tell where you used the glue! It looks so clean.Wink [;)]

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Posted by panzerguy on Saturday, August 2, 2008 2:16 PM
 stick man wrote:

Now to paint.

Smile [:)]

    I think Lufty might have room for this guy in his Famo LOL

  

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Posted by stick man on Saturday, August 2, 2008 3:45 PM

Panzerguy...... lol probably.

Heres the paint next up weathering my favorat part!

Smile [:)]

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Posted by panzerguy on Sunday, August 3, 2008 11:45 AM

 

    I was able to get the zimmerit and the crew compartment superstructure done this weekend.

   I used Tamiya poly putty to apply the zim. Works pretty good once you figure out the mix of putty to hardener. I found that a blob the size of a marble or grape with just a dab of hardener gives me about ten minutes of work time.Which is more than enough time to sread it on and apply the pattern.

       

   

    

    I'll give it a day or so to harden up then give it a lite sanding and clean up around the edges, in the mean time I'll start the work on the crane.  The Voyager set came with a whole new crane and its a kit in itself.

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Posted by chris hall on Sunday, August 3, 2008 1:46 PM

Nice, Zimm, Panzerguy. Might try that method myself!

Meanwhile, Biber update. I sprayed the NATO Green this mornimg, and later removed the masking. Not to many detail parts broke off in the process, which is always a plus. Here's what the camouflaged bits look like now:

I thought it would be useful to take this piccy, to compare it with what the model looks like after Futuring, decalling, oil washes, varnishing and highlighting.

Next up - brush-painting the tracks and the road running gear tyres.

Cheers,

Chris.

 

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Posted by Luftwoller on Sunday, August 3, 2008 2:58 PM

Wow, Panzerguy. That Zimm looks sweet. Have you done it before? It looks like your an expert for sure.

Chris, I cant wait to see her all weathered up. Thx for the Before pic. Hopefully it will look crap compared to the after LOL.

...Guy

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Posted by panzerguy on Thursday, August 7, 2008 8:42 PM

  Chris that cammo is looking good Approve [^]

   Finaly got some time to work on the B-Tiger. I tell ya work really cuts into your building time Grumpy [|(]

   So heres were I'm at got the zim cleaned up the fenders on,those hinges were a royal PITA and I've started on the crane. Once thats done it will be on to the tracks.

    Heres a shot of those hinges

 

    

    

   Lufty I have done it a couple of times before. Took me a while to get the mix just right but now that I've figured it out its pretty easy and the tamiya zimm tool helps a lot also. 

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Posted by chris hall on Friday, August 8, 2008 3:14 AM

Truly impressed by those hinges, PG! The Future on the Biber needs another day to cure, so tomorrow morning UK time, I'll be playing with oil washes.

Cheers,

Chris.

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Posted by chronic drooler on Friday, August 8, 2008 10:09 PM

I'm working on a Biber too! 

Funny, your comment about making the model functional/positionable.  I'm doing an OOB build with the only mods being the same that you are attempting. 

Seems Revell made some parts movable, and others not.  THe back support (for lack of a better name needs help.

 Here's what I've done so far (forgive me as I don't have an electronic camera, so I'll have to describe it).

Mods were easy.  Careful drilling (I do mean careful) is all it takes.

I only needed a pin vise and several drills.  The four sets of "rollers" on the main boom (front arm) need to move.  I drilled out their bosses on the arm, and put in a length of round stock, and glued the "rollers" onto the round stock.  The round stock is now an axle.  The front rollers were the most difficult because they are more visible, and because their mounting bosses are small - drilling them out leaves little plastic around them.

Do yourself a favor, and make sure the the rollers are parallel, aligned and at the correct width when you are finished.  This is easy to do...  befor the glue has set, place them in the corresponding channel of the bridge (build the bridge before you build the main boom), and make sure the bridge can slide back and forth. Leave the bridge in place until the glue has set.

I repeated the process for the thin support arms on the main boom.

The rear support arm (or whatever it's called) can be made to articulate, too.  I found some thin sewing pins, and used a drill of the same small size.

I carefully (I do mean carefully) drilled out the main pivot point of the arm and mount, cut the pin to size and inserted the pin to hold the arm in place.  I did the same thing for the lower mount of the hydraulic actuator. 

I had to scratch build the upper mount of the hydraulic actuator ram, as the mounts Revell provided were too small to work with.  I made some blocks out of square stock, and drilled them out to fit the round stock I was using.  I took two pieces of round stock and glued them together perpindicularly, so that they made a "T".  Once the glue set, I put the drilled out blocks on each side of the "T", and glued the blocks onto the arm where Revell would have you glue the end of the hydraulic ram.  I then cut the ends flush with the blocks.  This is really the only place where the mods are out of scale.  The mountings are somewhat chunky, but I build my models for fun, not perfection.  Once I paint and weather the beast, it won't look too bad (I hope).

As for the hydraulic ram, I drilled out the body of the hydraulic actuator to fit the round stock.  This was tricky, because the hole needed to be straight, and once done, the plastic got pretty thin.  If I hadn't drilled straight, the drill would have come out the side of the actuator.  I started by cutting off the hydraulic ram, and scored an "X" on the center of the actuator with an Xacto knofe.  This provided a center for the drill when I started drilling.

I started with a tiny drill and drilled to the depth I thought the ram would go.  To keep the hole centered, I didn't turn the drill, but instead, I spun the body of the ram about the drill.  Once the hole was made, I used increasingly larger drills until I got to the correct size.

 I then mounted the actuator on the tank, and inserted the piece of sewing pin for its pivot point. 

A note about the sewing pins:  Drill out the holes just right... not too big, because you may not have enough plastic, and not too small, because if you do, the parts will break when you try to drive the pins in place.  If you get it right, the pins will be held in place just tight enough that they won't need to be cemented.

Finally, you'll have to deal with the rollers on the rear arm.  For some reason, Revell molded the arm so that ti wasn't wide enough to support the bridge sections.  Cut off the round knobs at the top of the arm, and glua a piece of round stock that is wide enough to fit into the same channels of the bridge that the front rollers fit into.

Right now, I'm not finished, but it all works well(!).  When I set it together, it works, and I see how the real one works.  Well sorta.  I don't know how the bridge is set in motion.  I have a feeling that there is aome sort of cable mechanism that pulls the bridge pieces forward, and my guess is that is why the center bridge girders have holes in the middle of them (nicely molded by Revell).  The other thing I don't get is how the front of the rear (top) bridge is held in place when it is in the fully stowed position.  It just flops around on my model.  There's nothing to hold it in place.  I'll go on line and see if I can fugure this out.

If I get a camera and you're interested, I'll get some pictures and send them to you.

Cheers!

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Posted by chris hall on Saturday, August 9, 2008 1:27 AM

sounds very ambitious, Drooler! You seem to be making your model fully workable, whereas I'm only making it positionable, so that I can arrange the bridge as stowed, deploying, and deployed, I've done some, but not all, of the things you suggest.

I'd be keen to see the reesults of your efforts, because I have a number of othe bridge-laying tanks in the stash, and I always think these things are better if they are at least semi-workable.

Too late for major mods, though, with the model fully painted and decalled. Just about to apply the oil wash. I'll report back later today.

Do't forget to add lots of weight in the engine compartment!

Good luck,

Cheers,

Chris.

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Posted by Luftwoller on Saturday, August 9, 2008 3:37 AM
 chronic drooler wrote:

 

If I get a camera and you're interested, I'll get some pictures and send them to you.

Cheers!

Sounds great Drooler and welcome to the forum Sign - Welcome [#welcome] You may not have noticed but this is a 'Group Build' LOL. The idea of which, is to post regular updates (and pics) of your build Big Smile [:D]

...Guy

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Posted by White_R34 on Saturday, August 9, 2008 7:59 PM

 I'm getting colser to the end of my schlepper build.

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Posted by panzerguy on Saturday, August 9, 2008 8:11 PM

 

   White looking good with all that PE and your side rack came out real nice. I see you went with 88 rnds.

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Posted by White_R34 on Saturday, August 9, 2008 9:14 PM
Realy there Tamiya 1/35 No. 35173 Panther Brass 75mm Projectiles. I still need to do all my tools and holders then the one fig. that I'm adding and paint her then I'll be done.
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Posted by panzerguy on Saturday, August 9, 2008 9:59 PM

 

    Man they look like 88s. Been working on the crane for my Berge tiger all afternoon even had to run down to my lhs to pick up some brass tubing so I could scratch some new outrigger poles I'll get some pics up tommorow.

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Posted by Luftwoller on Sunday, August 10, 2008 2:51 AM

Wow, white. That brass work really adds the punch to her. I cant wait to see some paint on her. You say the rounds are from Tamiya? Where did you get them from?

...Guy

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Posted by chris hall on Sunday, August 10, 2008 4:39 AM

Hi Guy,

AFV Club do turned brass shells and shell cases for both the short (Tiger I) 88mm (AF35107) and the long (Tiger II) one (AF3572). Both these include ammo cases. Another good source is the Dragon 1/35 Flak 36 (the one with the crew figures dressed in winter gear), which has a selection of both turned brass and plastic shells.

Both your LHSs should be able to ge these for you, if they don't already have them in stock.

Tamiya also do both short (#35189) and long (#35166) turned brass 88mm projectiles. Again, these should be readily available.

Cheers,

Chris.

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Posted by White_R34 on Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:34 PM

Panzerguy you alwas do grate work. I to can wate to see paint on my build but all the brass you all see is not Photo-etch parts it's just sheet brass cut up and folded into the shapes I needed.

 

 

 

 

 

Some how now that I have bean working with PE I can see items change for a 3Ditem  view in to a flat images in my head so I'm now abel to cut shapes from sheet brass and then fold this to make what ever is in my head.

Oh here the Figures that go's with this model and one of the brass shells from Tamiya. Oh I got them from Squadron.com.  But at the time I got them they were on sale.

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TM35173&Submit3=Go

I put and labeled each shell group in there own baggys so I can use wich ever type I need on what ever project.

By the way AFV realy has some nice sheel packs, well first I'll give you all a link list of the ones from Tamiya thin AFV. see here:

King Tiger 88mm Projectile: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TM35166

Panther 75mm Projectiles: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TM35173&Submit3=Go

Sturmtiger 38cm Ammo: NA I got one of the last sets, the MSRP was 19.96 sale price was 0.99c.

Tiger I Brass 88mm Projectiles Set: (Look like panther sheels)  http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TM35189

Now AFV Club:

90mm Gun Ammo: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AC35076

German 7.5cm L/24 Ammo: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AC35084

German 7.5cm/L46 Ammo: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AC35085

8.8cm L/71 Ammunition: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AC35086&Submit3=Go

8.8cm L/56 Ammunition: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AC35087&Submit3=Go

MG151 20mm SHELLs: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AC35090

8.8MM L/56 SHELLs: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AC35095

German 10.5cm Shell Case Detail Set: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AC35097

8.8Cm/L56 Ammo & Accessory: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AC35107

Well that's it for now as all of this come from a list I have on hand I will have to look in the Big Black Book to see if there are more.

 

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Posted by panzerguy on Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:38 PM

  Heres were I'm at...

   Got most of the crane done this weekend. Replaced the outriggers and boom with alumunim tubing and since the kit supplied chain was to big I replaced that also with some from my lhs ship models sec. Some pics.

   

 

    I'm doing a full wip in the armor sec. so if you want to check out some more detailed pics the'll be up tommorow.

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Posted by dupes on Monday, August 11, 2008 11:00 AM

Man, that crane work (as well as the rest of the buid) is great! Haven't taken a good look at the kit-supplied stuff...is it pretty lacking in the accuracy/detail department?

Munitionschlepper looks sweet as well - bangup job on the PE - who's kit is that, White?

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Posted by panzerguy on Monday, August 11, 2008 8:11 PM

   Thanks for the comp's guy's

  White that rack is even nicer since its scratch builtThumbs Up [tup]

 dupes wrote:

Man, that crane work (as well as the rest of the buid) is great! Haven't taken a good look at the kit-supplied stuff...is it pretty lacking in the accuracy/detail department?

  Hey dupes most of the kit is pretty good. I would suggest getting rid of the tracks, there rubber band, and going with some Model Kasten or some other type of AM tracks. If you want to give the PE a go I would suggest Lucky models they carry the voyager set for half the price and free shipping. 

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Posted by panzerguy on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:17 PM

 

   Got the crane all done so I'm hoping it'll be all down hill from here.

    Bugger was like a mini kit but well worth it.

   

   

   I'll be starting on the MK tracks next.

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Posted by Luftwoller on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:22 AM

Wow, that crane is looking sweet fella. Ill bet my bottom dollar its a bi##h to paint though. All down hill from here though. Great build.

...Guy

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Posted by SteveM on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:07 AM
 panzerguy wrote:

 

   Got the crane all done so I'm hoping it'll be all down hill from here.

    Bugger was like a mini kit but well worth it.

   

   

   I'll be starting on the MK tracks next.

 

Holy Crap! That's awesome!

 

 

Steve M.

On the workbench: ginormous Kharkov dio

 

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Posted by chris hall on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:16 PM

Biber update:

the model's been Futured, decalled, re-Futured and varnished. The camo has been let down and highlighted slightly, using Conte Crayons, which I find more subtle than dry-brushing for this kind of work. Here's the 'before' piccy, which I posted early last week:

and here's the 'after':

It's a bit small, but I think you can see that the colours are a little more subtle, and less sharply-defined, than they were originally, which was the intention. Should be finished by the end of the week.

Cheers,

Chris.

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Posted by White_R34 on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:59 PM

Hay dupes the kit is from a company call RPM of Poland and the brass sheet is from K&S, the realy PE parts ar of eduard from the Czech Republic. Every thing came from Squadron but not the K&S. That was a Hobby Lobby item.

Still you have got to love that realy looking crane work, Chris it's looking good man.

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Posted by Luftwoller on Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:10 AM

Now thats starting to take shape, Chris. Love the camo.

...Guy

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Posted by mg.mikael on Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:58 PM

I'm still around, I just haven't had the time to check in, and seem to have missed alot. I must say everyone in this build is gettin' some fantastic modeling done.Thumbs Up [tup]

Here's my update: I still haven't been able to start. My LHS still hasn't gottin my RPM Ford T Lorry in yet. So I'm stuck in limbo. Sigh [sigh] Probably now gonna have to rush my build, if I ever get the kit, since I was planning to do it before school starts, but now that seems impossible.Ashamed [*^_^*]

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