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Posted by pordoi on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:32 PM

Doog,

 

... and to follow up on Redleg's question;  can the fixer be air brushed?

 Don

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:28 PM

Karl - Just thought of a quick question......when the MIG pigment fixer dries, is it flat or gloss?? Same for the acrylic resin???

The brain is working slow....too many Xmas cookies!

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by stick man on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:17 PM

Great work Doog! It's atruly inspiring build!

Smile [:)]

I'm 15 and I model I sk8board and I drum what could be better.
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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:14 PM
 Byrne0ut wrote:

Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]

I am not worthy...

 Incredibly inspirational.  You could easily put that bad boy on ebay and sell the finished product for a couple hundred dollars at least...

Sign - Welcome [#welcome]John, to the forums! I see you're a new member? Thanks for your kind compliment, and for commenting--I think I'll keep this one, though! Wink [;)]

Thanks, too, Marc and Jon! Jon, I'm not sure what you would pay for MIG stuff at various outlets, but Rick and Adam explained on a previous thread that it's best, and cheapest, to order from their website, direct. As far as how long they last--seriously, they could last for literally dozens of models depending on your application of them.The actual price-per-model would be literally pennies!

Thanks too, Bill,  and Manny! (Manny, you crack me up! Laugh [(-D]) Glad you guys liked this one!

Robert and Brendan-- thanks too, for the comments, and the compliments! Smile [:)]

Tony--I'lll probably take this to Buffcon, if I'm able to get there! Thanks for looking in!

Mike, and Michael,  thanks too, for the kind words!

I'm happy to know that I've contributed once again to another "take" on the mysteries and intricacies of heavy weathering. The MIG products are definitely a sure path to success in that regard! Thanks again, all who have taken the time to comment! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Mixael on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:08 PM

Doog, I don't even feel worthy to SEE this KT!  Absolutely wonderful job of messing it up!

I may just have to get some of the Mig stuff to try out.  (I'll work towards that, as I've never weathered anything before!)

I have bookmarked the thread so as to have a ready access to the awesome-ness of this WIP!

 

Doog the man!  Doog the man!

 

Michael 

We could change the world, but God won't give us the source code!
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Posted by redleg12 on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 5:04 PM

Your work as usual ia awe inspiring. Another museum item for the collection.

The work on reviewing the MIG line is great. It is a benifit to all of us at all levels. Good to know they are worth the money and time to use (besides the pigments which I am also already a big fan).

Thanks again

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by WarHammer25 on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:12 PM
Awesome job Karl. It looks so real. The paint and weathering really make it look good. Looks like you took Herr Peiper and his tank and shrunk them. Great job!
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Posted by lexesbenz on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:24 PM
Nice job Karl!! are you taking this to Buffcon or Noreastcon this year?
The flying hamster of doom rains coconuts on your pitiful city!!!!
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Posted by smokinguns3 on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:13 PM
That is  just friggin awsome man just awsome.
Rob I think i can I think i can
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:09 PM

One of your better efforts, IMO...great "how to" as well...top shelf work...

Peiper would be pleased, and I should know; we were at Kharkov together...Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 2:44 PM
You've done a great job detailing this one (and relating the "how" of the details as well) doog, enjoyed watching you experiment with the MIG stuff along the way. Herr Peiper would be pleased with the results I'm sure! Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by acmodeler01 on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 2:00 PM

It looks awesome, I'm very impressed, but I think we've all come to expect this caliber of work from you, Doog!

The MIG pigments look like they should be a worthwhile purchase... How long would they last or how many kits do you think they would cover? And what is the price you can expect to pay for them?

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:50 PM

Well doog you have done it again. Turned plastic and some wet and dry ingredients and turned into something awe inspiring.  Hope you don't mind that I keep this short... I wanna go back and look at the pics again.

 

EDIT   OK I'm abck.  It was like seeing a movie the 2nd time.  Bunch of stuff I did not notice the 1st time.  May have to go back for a 3rd Big Smile [:D]

Marc  

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Posted by Byrne0ut on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:31 PM

Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]

I am not worthy...

 Incredibly inspirational.  You could easily put that bad boy on ebay and sell the finished product for a couple hundred dollars at least...

ON The Bench: Tristar 1/35 Panzer 38(t) Ausf. B Glencoe 1/400 SS United States Tamiya 1/35 Panther Ausf. A Early On The Shelf Tamiya 1/35 King Tiger Tamiya 1/48 F4U-1D Corsair
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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:20 PM

Mark, Russ, and John, thanks for your kind compliments! I'm glad you guys are enjoying the build! Big Smile [:D]

So here it is--the final installment in the finishing my "MIG-nificent" King Tiger. First, a litle more how-to; first I want to show a little more of how I got the snow on the tracks. The Woodland Sceneics snow just didnt want to stay opaque-white; it kept changing to a semi-translucent-looking powwder, so I gave the MIG powder #022 "Ashes White" a try--and it worked beautifully!

I set it down on the tracks with a brush...

Hit it with some MIG Pigment Fixer, and it dries perfectly white!

 

Voila! It really keeps it's color! I also went over a lot if the tracks and other areas with this powder, and got similar results, so I'm very pleased with this use for what is touted as a burnt ash color for roadwheels, eyc--yes, you can also use it for snow! Tongue [:P]

Next, I also used pigments on the mufflers. First, here'stwo of the three powders I used.

First, I take the "Old Rust" with some of the 502 Oils color #060 Light Rust Brown, and after getting some of it on the brush, I dip the paint brush into the pigment jar so that I have both oil and pigments on the brush, and then I apply it to the muffler.

Then, with a CLEAN, short-bristled brush, I scrap away some of the excessive color. I do thisto graduate the color from top to bottom. I figure the tops would be more discolored than the bottoms.

Now what I have is a still "sticky" mix of oil+pigments on the tops and side. SO I then apply the "Medium" rust powder (POWDER ONLY!) to the top of the muffler.

And finally some Black Smoke to the tops...

Here's what they eventuallly look like after adding the last color--"Light Rust" to the top for a little more contrast.

And here's the final product with the Warriors figure painted up, in Tamiya acrylics and oils..again, alll the weathering was accomplished using 99% of MIG "502 Abteilung" oils, MIG pre-mixed washes and filters, and MIG powders, kindly and generously provided by MIG Productions . I used the "Neutral Wash" for all the pin washes, and 502 oils for the rust streaks and discolorations. There are MIG pigments on the upper hull surfaces to show dirt/discoloration--several different shades. And finally, a light application was made of MIG "Gunmetal" powder on the edges--it's like a graphite powder, and relaly gives a nice 'metallic" edge to some of the parts that really need it. I applied it by putting some on my finger and rubbing it where I could. I'm sorry I couldn't document these parts more--a lot of it is done at night, when the lighting from my flash was too harsh to capture it.

I thinned out the side skirts from behind with a Dremel tool, and poked some more bullet holes IN A RANDOM PATTERN! Whistling [:-^]...Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

"That's 'Herr' Peiper to you!" 

Lastly--why I can never work on more than one project at a time--here's the bench during the weathering phase--where would I possibly fit anything else?!!

                                                                                                                               

So. in closing,my review "verdict" of the MIG Products are as folllows--

I have nothing but good to report about the 502 Oils line. They are all high-quality oils, and the color range is very broad, and pefectly adequate for armor finishing. The only color I questioned was the #020 "Faded Dark Yellow" which is. in fact, a bright, rust-orange. I can only assume that this is a mis-labelling of this tube. The inclusion of colors such as "Fresh Mud" and "Buff" are a nice convenience for colors that I used to have to mix alone.

The only thing I didn;t care for was the looooong drying time of the MIG "Thinner for Washes"--I'm not sure if I used it right, but when I used it to thin the oil paints, it took a long time for them to dry. I must assume that perhaps it's an enamel or even similar to linseed oil product? I much preferred just plain mineral spirits for use with the 502 oils. I also believe that they have enamel properties because the white oil spot-washing I did on top f the turret dried semi-glossy, and very hard.However, there may be benefits to this product that I have yet to ascertain, or which I will learn of in the future. Anyone who has experience with it, and who would like to leave some hints aout it would be most welcomed!

The pre-mixd washes and filters were, IMO. spot-on as far as being great weathering shades. They are consistent in their application, spread very easily, and dry quickly as well. They flow as well or better than my regular mineral spirit washes, and a little bit actually does go a long way. I was afraid of using the whole bottle up at first, but for this one build, I used less than 5% of the "Neutral Wash", so IMO, I have to say that they actually ARE a good deal for the money, if you want consistent colored washes EVERY time. My favorite is that "Neutral" color--it just screams "DIRTY BOY!!!" LOL! Blush [:I]

I have not had the opportunity to try the liquid mask yet.

The Pigments are something that I have used quite a bit before this build of course, THEY ROCK!!!--but I have to say that the Pigment fxer stuff is primo--it just works really well! And it doesn't discolor the pigments. 10/10!

The Acrylic Resin too, is a first-rate product. It dries fast, and rock-hard! It's VERY durable! I actually mixed up waaaay more than I really used or needed in this build, so be frugal with it at first, until you learn its properties. Great stuff!

So, in closing, I must again thank Adam Wilder and Rick Lawler and all at MIG Productions for this enjoyable build and review, and for the nice cache of MIG products which I will continue to use here. And thanks to all of you for your comments and suggestions! Only question is...what's next?! (I'm leaning toward a Nashorn!?)

Comments, and questions welcomed and appreciated! Big Smile [:D]

 

 

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Posted by Byrne0ut on Monday, December 22, 2008 4:30 PM
That is iincredible.  I know im new here, but that is wonderful work.  I have a panther ausf a on my bench right now and that is the exact paint scheme i was going to go for, this post is going to be extremely valuable, although I can pretty much guarantee it wont look as good as this, but with time I will hope to give doog a run for his money.
ON The Bench: Tristar 1/35 Panzer 38(t) Ausf. B Glencoe 1/400 SS United States Tamiya 1/35 Panther Ausf. A Early On The Shelf Tamiya 1/35 King Tiger Tamiya 1/48 F4U-1D Corsair
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Posted by RBaer on Monday, December 22, 2008 4:17 PM
Doog, simply awesome!

Apprentice rivet counter.

mmc
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Posted by mmc on Monday, December 22, 2008 10:10 AM

Wow fantastic Kingtiger, everything about it is superb.

I use the same method for mud, if I can pluck up the courage I might post my Sherman Dozer, which has a very generous coating. Haven't tried WS snow yet, going to give it a go on my SdKfz 7/2, going to bookmark this for reference.

Looking forward to seeing the Tigger all done.

Mark

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, December 21, 2008 9:30 PM

caSSius, Mike, and Steve -- thanks for looking in, and for commenting! 

I'm glad that you guys like the work here and the little review/toot. I'm working away here; just taking a break to look in. I'll have a new update tomorrow!

 

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Posted by I make stuff on Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:50 PM
 Rob wrote:

hej doog, that is looking mighty awesome. with your permission i'll print it and use it for one of my future projects as guideline.

cheers

 

Oh, MAN!  Is this protocol?  I'm using basically every one else's work as a guide, one way or another.Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by disastermaster on Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:25 PM

 And, once again doog has come across with an outstandin' build. http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/parisienne-moonlight/emoticon/asdcattivo.gif (Outstandin' in the snow apparently....    He HEH)

 I've been watching this ride since you started. It looks to me like everything has tied together nicely to represent a super rendition of Pieper's ride.

Nasty man, just nasty.

Here's my favorite shot....

http://www.innovationbyinstinct.com/services/hosting/clients/accountyp/status/DisasterMaster/%23t1-4.jpg

 

 

 

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:41 PM

Karl

Great answers and observations. It would appear the MIG acrylic is a good deal for making that nice thick mud. It is also great to know you can keep it fresh by sealing it.

I wonder if you let the mud start to set up a little if the snow would keep from sinking. In any case it seems like something that could be worked out.

Your MIG festival is a good learning experience on all their products. Thank Rick and Allan for all of us.

Of course thank you for the time and patience to bring us the info.

Rounds Complete!! 

 

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by caSSius on Sunday, December 21, 2008 11:37 AM

Great looking build Karl! And thank you for taking the time to put together a tutorial once again. Smile [:)]

This one is particularly helpful for someone like myself, who's local area doesn't have much exposure to these products (I enquired about MIG products this summer at my LHS and the fellow behind the counter screwed up his face and said, "huh?...do you mean a plane?"...Sigh [sigh]...they mostly carry RC stuff these days).  So, your efforts are appreciated in helping me to evaluate if they're worth ordering online. Kudo's to the boys from MIG for providing you with some products to play with and tell us about.

As a self-professed "heavy weatherer", you've taken this a notch or two above where I'd dare to tread with my own stuff...but it's a joy to watch you beat this kit up. I'm looking forward to seeing it all come together.

Cheers

Brad

"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go."

- T.S. Eliot

 

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:43 AM
 jadgpanther302 wrote:

looks good, is the mud set worth it? I checked internet hobbies and it is 42 bucks.

It looks really cool though.Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Well, that's a decisioin you would have to make based on your pocketbook--same as anything in this hobby! In the previous thread, MIG said that the prices here are jacked up by US retailers, and that the better way to go would be to buy directly from the MIG website--I would check there first!

Geist--I would recommend, in order of progressive "darkening" coor:

  • 232 Dry Mud
  • 234 Rubbel Dust
  • 033 Dark Mud
  • 039 Industrial City Dirt
  • 034 Russian Earth

The first is a light mud color; the last is a near raw-umber-ish dark brown.

Thanks, Jeff, Bill, Rob, and Rick!  There is a learning curve to the pigments and products, but it's not steep. Mostly, you just have to be willing to experiment!

Mike,the acrylic resin stuff dries wicked-fast, and it's tough-as-nails when it's cured. I got the tracks on this morning. It's a shame much of this will be hidden by the side skirts! Look at hpw nice the dirt and snow look behind the tracks in the next couple photos!

Here's something I found very interesting! Here are the two spots where I actuallly used drops of MIG Pigment Fixer to fix the Woodland Scenics snow--notice how the rest ofthe Snow just kinda suck in and disappeared into the drying tracks' color. I don't know if this was becaose of the little bit of water that I added to "re-wet" the acrylic mixture again afterit sitting in a cup for about 6 hours? I had sealed the cup with both clear plastic wrap and tin foil, and to my delight, it stayed relatively "fresh". But I may have put too much water in it, and allowed the snow powder to sink into it as it dried?

Look at the other side--see how the snow "disappeared"?

Also, the acrylic resin seems more amenable to heavy/thick application without gravity pulling it off the model like it does with white glue--look at the front here, how nicely a thick application stayed.

I'll be working on the rest of it today, and then getting back to final weathering on the uppper hull. I still have some detail painting and pin washes to do. Watch this space! Cool [8D]

 

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:25 AM
That mud looks good enough to eat...can I lick the bowl?  That KT is really starting to vie for my affections!
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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:01 AM

Karl - since this is a MIGnanomus finish....I am further curious. What do you see as the major advantage of using the MIG acrylic resin as the binder vs white glue vs celluclay. Is it just drying time!!.

As I have said, I am a big MIG fan of the powders. Looking for good resons to look at their other products.

Nice work thus far. Keeping my sights on the MIG.....no, that from the wingy side....eye on the Tiger.....thats better.

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

Rob
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Posted by Rob on Sunday, December 21, 2008 6:13 AM

hej doog, that is looking mighty awesome. with your permission i'll print it and use it for one of my future projects as guideline.

cheers

my family calls me "ARMOR FREAK"... i don't know why. My AFV pic site --> www.rob_tas84.mijnalbums.nl My nature pic site -> www.robbioo.mijnalbums.nl
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Posted by RickLawler on Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:24 PM

Hey Karl,

It looks like you are getting the hang of using the MIG's just fine.  As you've noted, they have their idosycracies (sp?) and can take some getting used to.  Your results look good so far. 

 

Take care,

Rick

http://ricklawler.blogspot.com/

 

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:30 PM
Coming along nicely Karl, how big of a base are you planning for this one? Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Panther F on Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:29 PM
Like a chemist in his lab!  Nice work doog.  Wink [;)]
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