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Sdk.fz 234/4 WIP . No more post here . Link to completed build on p.8

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Sunday, June 19, 2011 12:45 PM

Sorry.  Apologize for going so off topic.  It was just one of those incidents that was both unusal and very pleasent.  Checking in at the VOQ and being in-processed by a Luftwaffe Duty NCO was also a little bit weird.

No more lectures, promise.

 

 

 "I'd "I'd rather be historically accurate than politically correct."

"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!"

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Posted by Shellback on Sunday, June 19, 2011 12:33 PM

MAJ Mike

I was the DIVARTY S4 and we made visits to a direct support 155mm howitzer battalion in El Paso.  The Luftwaffe had their anti-aircraft missle school at Ft. Bliss and the Bundeswehr maintained a battalion of Leopard II's there as well.  The permanent party cadre's family support group ran a German restaraunt to help finance activities for the families.

Rumor had it that once a month, a Luftwaffe C-130 flew in evry month filled with German beer and all the makings for the terrific menu at the restaraunt.  Best German food I've ever had anywhere.

Major , ok , now i get it . Thanks for filling me in on the details . When you previousely mentioned the luftwaff restaurant at Fort Bliss  i didnt know the connection . Interesting what i have learned from this thread so far . Your experience with modern artillery is interesting ...... I wont go into asking about that here , in these times .........you know .

I wouldnt doubt the C-130 bringing in the Weissbier , and whatever else . From what i researched it looked like that  beer from Germany is seldom found here stateside .

Thanks again !

 

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:43 PM

I was the DIVARTY S4 and we made visits to a direct support 155mm howitzer battalion in El Paso.  The Luftwaffe had their anti-aircraft missle school at Ft. Bliss and the Bundeswehr maintained a battalion of Leopard II's there as well.  The permanent party cadre's family support group ran a German restaraunt to help finance activities for the families.

Rumor had it that once a month, a Luftwaffe C-130 flew in evry month filled with German beer and all the makings for the terrific menu at the restaraunt.  Best German food I've ever had anywhere.

 

 

 "I'd "I'd rather be historically accurate than politically correct."

"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!"

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Posted by Shellback on Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:28 PM

Sounds like an interesting beer from i just read about it

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Saturday, June 18, 2011 6:54 PM

Shellback

Maj. ,Is it good with a beer ?Beer Never had it like in the picture myself . Recipe said its made with chicken .Eats

They made it with veal and I always ordered Club Weiss to go with it.  Ahhh!  Good times, good times.

 

 

 "I'd "I'd rather be historically accurate than politically correct."

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Posted by Shellback on Saturday, June 18, 2011 6:46 PM

LOL guys !!!!! And thats exactly what i wanted to see , something funny ! Too much serious stuff going on all of the time as it is .

Greg ..........Its looks good dont it ! The schnitzel .....................Eats

 Diasater M........hope your got over the shock and are ok now . Toast

Maj. ,Is it good with a beer ?Beer Never had it like in the picture myself . Recipe said its made with chicken .Eats

Tread , or is it Bill , Spiro  ?...........sorry you got all upset and flipped out man ! I know its a terrible thing i am doing here ,,,,,,,just terrible ! And yes , goodbye again .But like uncle Bobby used to say ...................

Ok, time to get back to the model . not much left .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What ? You thought something was down here ?

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Posted by treadwell on Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:20 AM

well well well.. isn't this a surprise Carl,or Sea or Shell or whatever you are calling yourself these days. Pushing the boundrys of this fine forum and responsible modelers over the limit of good taste again.

This model is an abomination to fine German design. You have mutated it past the point of recognition and frankly sir, I just cannot sit idley by and do nothing . Effective immediately I am canceling my subscription to Home and Garden. I hope you are happy with yourself.

good bye,

Spiro Agnew

   

 

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Saturday, June 18, 2011 7:41 AM

Very nice build. 

What mix of tan and dunkelgerb did you use on that marvelous 1:1 scale model of the weinerschnitzel?  What air brush settings (psi, etc) for the garnish on the side?  It looks as real as that served at the Ft. Bliss Luftwaffe restaraunt!  Wink

 

 

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Posted by disastermaster on Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:16 AM

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Posted by detailfreak on Saturday, June 18, 2011 12:40 AM

                                        The concept needs work and the turret ring is a bit small,oh and I'd like to try some of that.Eats

                                                               Greg"Detailfreak"RowleyYes

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Posted by Shellback on Saturday, June 18, 2011 12:07 AM

The following is meant as humor and is NOTa factual event .

One of Hitlers wild night mares was to mount the turret from a Tiger 1 with its 88 mm cannon on the chasis of a 234 .Idea He felt the extra armor of the turret would make a good match with the speed of a wheeled chasis Whistling.This vehicle never made it to a paper drawing but Hitler did say something about his bad dream to Goering , who  choked on his mouthful of viennese cutlet .Ick!

Here's the concept .

das wienerschnitzel (Viennese cutlet )Eats

Goerings second portion

 

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Posted by Shellback on Friday, June 17, 2011 12:53 AM

Thought i'd post this method of painting tires and wheels . i've used it on painting the rubber of road wheels of tanks as well , just use something of a smaller diameter , tubing , plastic caps , washers etc . This method works well and is fast .

The wheel is sprayed in the appropriate color .

I used this plastic cap to mask the wheel . Seems there is always something aroud that is the correct diameter .

I held it down with one finger and sprayed around it with the tire color . I mixed Panzer gray with flat black .

The result a few minutes later.

Makes doing 9 of these a cinch . Took about 30 min .

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, June 16, 2011 8:09 PM

MAJ Mike

 Shellback:

Ok Bill .Thanks for the "facts" . Like i said before this paint scheme is "my idea " . Heck if you look close enough the entire model has flaws and loosely represents a "actual" vehicle .

For any further viewers of my build here , I'm not building this model to be an exact replica of a museum vehicle or to represent a vehicle from a photo taken durring WW II .  This build will be based on "my idea" and while the "facts" are appreciated for reference i will continue to build this model with "my idea" of a vehicle that could possibly have existed . 

 

 

Uh oh!  You risk losing your SERIOUS MODELER card.  Every build of your's that I've seen looks close to real to me.  Don't change a thing, every WIP is a lesson for me.

Cheers! Toast

Hmmmmm ......let think about that for a while ..............1 sec later ................cant lose what i never had Maj .!!!!!!!Beer

 

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Thursday, June 16, 2011 6:24 PM

Shellback

Ok Bill .Thanks for the "facts" . Like i said before this paint scheme is "my idea " . Heck if you look close enough the entire model has flaws and loosely represents a "actual" vehicle .

For any further viewers of my build here , I'm not building this model to be an exact replica of a museum vehicle or to represent a vehicle from a photo taken durring WW II .  This build will be based on "my idea" and while the "facts" are appreciated for reference i will continue to build this model with "my idea" of a vehicle that could possibly have existed . 

 

Uh oh!  You risk losing your SERIOUS MODELER card.  Every build of your's that I've seen looks close to real to me.  Don't change a thing, every WIP is a lesson for me.

Cheers! Toast

 

 

 "I'd "I'd rather be historically accurate than politically correct."

"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!"

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, June 16, 2011 4:35 PM

Ok Bill .Thanks for the "facts" . Like i said before this paint scheme is "my idea " . Heck if you look close enough the entire model has flaws and loosely represents a "actual" vehicle .

For any further viewers of my build here , I'm not building this model to be an exact replica of a museum vehicle or to represent a vehicle from a photo taken durring WW II .  This build will be based on "my idea" and while the "facts" are appreciated for reference i will continue to build this model with "my idea" of a vehicle that could possibly have existed . 

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, June 16, 2011 2:26 PM

I wondered if it might be an "artistic license" choice. Definitely provides some contrast which is your stated intent and looks cool! With that in mind, what I'm about to say is only for those who come along later and isn't meant to detract from your build. Wink 

While it's true that Pak 40s were produced in the panzer gray period of time, the production period for the 234/4 ran from Dec '44 to April '45 and modified Pak 40 carriages/mounts (including cut-down lower splinter shields) were necessary to fit the confines of the vehicle, so they couldn't just grab any old Pak 40 and plop it in the hull. The reason for the primer red interior was due to the standing factory practice at the time the vehicles were produced. Even with the urgent need, only about 90 of these were produced during the short 4 months or so of production.

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:57 PM

Pulled off the masking tape tonight and touched up the interior and suspension .

Beer

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:16 PM

william carls

nice work Shell and cool insight as to use of the weapon vs the color difference.. Bill's  question made me learn something new....one can never be to edumacated  !

nice build buddy

tread

 

Thanks Tread ! Always good to help out with a fellow modelers edumacation ...............I think ? Stick out tongue

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Posted by treadwell on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:27 PM

nice work Shell and cool insight as to use of the weapon vs the color difference.. Bill's  question made me learn something new....one can never be to edumacated  !

nice build buddy

tread

   

 

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 4:52 PM

wbill76

Gun is looking good Carl! Yes Are you deliberately leaving the rear half in panzer gray or will you be painting that in additional steps to come?

Thanks Bill !

Nope , thats the final on the pak 40 camo .I wanted to add a little interest to to the paint scheme . My idea was that the 75mm pak 40 was painted Panzer gray and mounted on a wheeled carriage as was normal. (see below picture). When this sdk.fz 234/4 was completed there was no pak 40 at the factory to mount on it  due to a shortage . Hitler was screaming for more Panzerjaegers  to be sent to the front , so any Pak 40 not at the front already was requesitioned for use on the 234/4 .Due to time constraints  only the front of the shield and forward barrel were painted in camo . The inside of the rest of the hull will remain in red primer so the contrast should be interesting .

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:21 PM

Gun is looking good Carl! Yes Are you deliberately leaving the rear half in panzer gray or will you be painting that in additional steps to come?

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:34 AM

minimortar

Nice job all around so far Carl! Not all that 'in to' the 234 subject matter but liking your Mig-29 (or is it an SU-37?) even better.

You've certainly shown some talents there on both!

 

Thank you so much Kevin ! All i can say is i try to do my best and the comments you and others are giving me make my effoets worth it !Beer

Thats the Academy 1/48th Flanker by the way .

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:28 AM

Maj . i appreciate your response here and on my other threads !Thank you Beer

As you know there are  better kits of this subject out there now , but alas , this one was the only kit available at the time many years ago . Its been hidden away in my stash , forgotten , until Eric invited me to join his Panzerjaeger G.B.

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Posted by minimortar on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:07 AM

Nice job all around so far Carl! Not all that 'in to' the 234 subject matter but liking your Mig-29 (or is it an SU-37?) even better.

You've certainly shown some talents there on both!

 

Thanks,
Kevin Keefe

Mortars in Miniature
A Scale Model (Plus!) Collection of the Infantryman's Artillery

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:00 AM

Wow!  As usual, your WIP can serve as a "How To.." on a 234/4 build, thus saving all of us money to sunk into kit resources.  Beautiful work, as always.

 

 

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 6:40 AM

Thanks Eric !Toast

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:38 PM

Looking sweet Carl.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:09 PM

 

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:54 PM

wbill76

You're a man of many talents Carl...you've managed to change a WW2 German armored car into a Cold War Russian jet using only your airbrush! Propeller Like the direction you're headed in with the three-tone pattern, very nice. Beer

LOL Bill ! I didnt have an update to post and thought i would see if anyone was looking anyway .......Stick out tongue

Thanks for the comments ! Yes......Beer

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:36 AM

You're a man of many talents Carl...you've managed to change a WW2 German armored car into a Cold War Russian jet using only your airbrush! Propeller Like the direction you're headed in with the three-tone pattern, very nice. Beer

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