PREDATOR vs ALIEN

ajlafleche

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From: Massachusetts

Posted by ajlafleche on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:48 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by cobywan

But the original suit was better in sculpt. I just love Giger's handiwork.

Agree here. The visual of the movie, a perfect blend of creature and environment. I love watching the film for the sets almost as much as for the story!

Someone commented that the creature is slow in the original...actually it moves quite quickly when attacking Dallas in the air ducts and in ALIENS when Carter Burke, the company man played by Paul Reiser gets his due, the creature moves very deliberately, as they drones/warriors do in the egg room.

Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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J-Hulk

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Posted by J-Hulk on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:46 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajlafleche
Someone commented that the creature is slow in the original...actually it moves quite quickly when attacking Dallas in the air ducts and in ALIENS when Carter Burke, the company man played by Paul Reiser gets his due, the creature moves very deliberately, as they drones/warriors do in the egg room.

That was me! Big Smile [:D]

But I did qualify the "slow-moving" comment with "except when striking."

Good point about the Burke and egg room scenes, though.
I guess it depends on the situation!

~Brian

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 10:13 AM

I think Scott had the alien move slowly and deliberately in Alien to strectch out the horror of it for the victims (and us). The rationale could be that the alien knew it had it all over its prey, so no reason to rush, and more than you might struggle to overcome a ham sandwich.

I've seen the extended version of Alien (with the scenes of Dallas and others becoming eggs) and most of the additional material really does add to the movie experience. The egg scene has been asserted by some to contradict the second movie's premise, but I'm not sure it does. After all, there is no queen on the ship. It's plausible that each warrior has some kind of limited ability to make a few eggs directly out of victims when isolated, so as to establish a new colony. Then one of those eggs can hatch a queen.

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karlwb

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Posted by karlwb on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:33 PM

I might be completly wrong, so please correct me if so. Shy [8)]

Don't all Bee's start off the same, just when the colony requires a queen, they feed one of the larva different food and it becomes the queen.

The Ailen's could probably do the same.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:04 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by karlwb

I might be completly wrong, so please correct me if so.

Don't all Bee's start off the same, just when the colony requires a queen, they feed one of the larva different food and it becomes the queen.

The Ailen's could probably do the same.

You are correct sir! This is true. And what I had imagined would be the case

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 23, 2004 2:43 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by cobywan

You are correct sir! This is true. And what I had imagined would be the case

Well, according to Alien 3 (and 4), Ripley has a Queen chestburster in her when she takes the Nestea plunge. So a facehugger on the Sulaco (presumably from a spare egg or two dropped by the Queen at the end of Aliens) put the larva in her. How the larva became a queen larva is anyone's guess.

I thought it was a little odd that she got to live so long in Alien 3 with a bug inside of her when poor John Hurt got, well, hurt so quickly in Alien. He should have hired a better agent.

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adrake2

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Posted by adrake2 on Saturday, July 24, 2004 3:19 AM

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I thought it was a little odd that she got to live so long in Alien 3 with a bug inside of her when poor John Hurt got, well, hurt so quickly in Alien. He should have hired a better agent.

LOL, maybe a queen takes longer to develop than a drone/warrior alien. My 2 cents [2c]

-Aaron

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Cobrahistorian

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Monday, July 26, 2004 2:14 PM

Yeah, but where the hell are the Colonial Marines??????

"1-6 is in hot"

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out04

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From: NC

Posted by out04 on Monday, July 26, 2004 2:25 PM

I have been waiting for this movie for a long time, but I just saw on a TV preview that it has gotten a PG-13 rating. This doesn't sit well with me. Both franchises tend to be on the violent, gory side, but I don't know how much of that you can accomplish in a PG-13 movie. I believe that they may be destroying both franchises by going after the kiddies and making it less violent. What do you all think about all this?

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 26, 2004 8:07 PM

Don't...get...me...started...

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J-Hulk

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Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:19 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by out04

I have been waiting for this movie for a long time, but I just saw on a TV preview that it has gotten a PG-13 rating. This doesn't sit well with me. Both franchises tend to be on the violent, gory side, but I don't know how much of that you can accomplish in a PG-13 movie. I believe that they may be destroying both franchises by going after the kiddies and making it less violent. What do you all think about all this?

Well, don't forget that PG13-rated flicks today are probably more violent and gorier than R-rated flicks were back when the original Alien and Predator came out.

Still...I know what you mean...

~Brian

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out04

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Posted by out04 on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:22 AM

That's a definite possibility and I hope you're right, but I just don't know.

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adrake2

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Posted by adrake2 on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:55 PM

I also think a less violent and gory movie will take away from the story. The realism just won't be there.

-Aaron

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out04

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Posted by out04 on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:27 PM

Exactly. Violence is a staple of both franchises. I just don't think you can do to many chestbursters or gruesome predator attacks in a PG-13 movie.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:55 PM

Reminds me of the Dark Horse comic coverage a few years back (I think)...
Maybe bringing Ripley in with Arnold for a "Tag Team" 3-way would make it interesting!

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:56 PM

Ifthe movie does get a PG 13 rating; when the DVD gets released I'm sure they'll release an "uncut" R version for the older folks.........man, I just hope the movie is good (a sleeper like Independence Day, I remember a movie "critic" saying : "according to the trailer it's going to look like all the action will be at the end, dumb plot, cheesy lines, and not much else"....boy was this idiot wrong.

Regards,
Manny Prego

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out04

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Posted by out04 on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 11:18 PM

OK, I just saw another preview that said the film is still unrated, so now I don't know what's going on.

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J-Hulk

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Posted by J-Hulk on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 7:02 AM

It's out in the States next week, no? Not sure when we're getting it here in Japan...

~Brian

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out04

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Posted by out04 on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:08 PM

Aug 13 US. The website says 18 Dec 04 for Japan.
www.avp-movie.com

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J-Hulk

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Posted by J-Hulk on Thursday, July 29, 2004 8:52 AM

So it does!
Thanks for that.

So I'll have four month's worth of hearing you guys rave or rant about it!!

~Brian

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 30, 2004 7:17 AM

Alien

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 30, 2004 7:21 AM

Alien

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therriman

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Posted by therriman on Sunday, August 1, 2004 12:01 AM

I don't know Brian, from what I've seen on the previews I don't think your missing much. Looks kind of formatic to me. I'll just wait till the DVD comes out.

Tim H. "If your alone and you meet a Zero, run like hell. Your outnumbered" Capt Joe Foss, Guadalcanal 1942 Real Trucks have 18 wheels. Anything less is just a Toy! I am in shape. Hey, Round is a shape! Reality is a concept not yet proven.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 1, 2004 1:56 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by adrake2

QUOTE:
I thought it was a little odd that she got to live so long in Alien 3 with a bug inside of her when poor John Hurt got, well, hurt so quickly in Alien. He should have hired a better agent.

LOL, maybe a queen takes longer to develop than a drone/warrior alien.

The writers of the first Dark Horse Aliens series offer a very believable explanation for the differing gestation periods:

"Perhaps our worst mistake was underestimating the sheer instinctual cunning of the creatures. We didn't see the underlying pattern behind their evolutionary process -- the way every facet of their existance was geared toward 'propagation'. The queens matured at whatever speed their *survival* dictated."

"We had assumed the gestation period was time for the alien embryo to feed and grow, but it was more than that. It was an opportunity for the unknowing host to spread it's spore to other sites." (Aliens, Book One - Dark Horse graphic novel, page 143)

In other words, the alien embryos can choose, in a limited way, the best time to be "born". It has been suggested that the aliens communicate on a basic telepathic level and can use this skill 'in utero' to read information from their human host, thereby determining the most opportune time to emerge.

A die-hard Aliens and Predator fan,

Mark

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 2, 2004 11:36 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Memeau:
The writers of the first Dark Horse Aliens series offer a very believable explanation for the differing gestation periods:

[cough]predators[/cough] [weez]win[/weez]

I picked up one of the Dark Horse comics for Aliens. I don't remember all of it, but basically some group sent human Ninjas into this area protected by aliens. After trying to kill a guard and getting that wonderful acid squirted on them, one lopped off a leg at a joint and ....no acid. So from there on, the remaining ninjas lopped off arms and legs of any Aliens that got in there way. I'm sure it's not canon, but it was neat none the less.

I guess it wouldn't happen in a movie because Humans like machineguns and walking forklifts too much. :D

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ajlafleche

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Posted by ajlafleche on Monday, August 2, 2004 1:45 PM

QUOTE: [i]ns. After trying to kill a guard and getting that wonderful acid squirted on them, one lopped off a leg at a joint and ....no acid. So from there on, the remaining ninjas lopped off arms and legs of any Aliens that got in there way. I'm sure it's not canon, but it was neat none the less.

Inconsistent with the first encounter with face hugger when he dripped acid from a cut on the knuckle.

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J-Hulk

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Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, August 3, 2004 9:26 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajlafleche

QUOTE: After trying to kill a guard and getting that wonderful acid squirted on them, one lopped off a leg at a joint and ....no acid. So from there on, the remaining ninjas lopped off arms and legs of any Aliens that got in there way. I'm sure it's not canon, but it was neat none the less.

Inconsistent with the first encounter with face hugger when he dripped acid from a cut on the knuckle.

That's also inconsistent with an early Dark Horse story when the Predators (and one Asian female human) used an amputated bloody Alien finger to mark themselves on the forehead as badges of victory. THAT had to hurt!

I'm not sure, but that may be from the very first Predator vs Aliens series Dark Horse did.

~Brian

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Trigger

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Posted by Trigger on Friday, August 6, 2004 5:44 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by J-Hulk

QUOTE: Originally posted by Trigger74

AVP - who'll win? The movie studio, at least opening weekend and on DVD sales.

And the fans! Don't forget the fans!
The fans of both fanchises have been begging for this for years.

True, the fans will be winners too - as long as the movie doesn't suck (crossing my fingers)

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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out04

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Posted by out04 on Friday, August 13, 2004 9:14 PM

I've seen it. What do yall think?

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:56 AM

I can't post what I thought.

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